Speed limit query - Navan Road / Auburn / Phoenix park

Random

Hi guys,

Can anyone help me out with this? What's the speed limit on this stretch of road when travelling toward the city on the N3/Navan Road. The area in question is from the M50 junction (assume you're coming from Navan) through to the Phoenix Park train station bridge (just after the Esso Garage).



In my diagram above I know there is a sign at B which states 30KPH and another sign at A which states 50KPH. There is then no other signs between there and C.

I would like to know what the speed limit is at the point C, which is just between the Esso garage and the sliproad to the Phoenix Park train station.

Thanks

pissed

Ah I was in search of the same information when I found this thread. I assume you are on about the Garda camera van that was there this evening. From memory I know it used to be 80 kph but then they had road works there and reduced down to 50 or 60kph. I am just hoping they remembered to put it back up but cant remember seeing any signs reflecting 80kph.

Just wondering do these vans take pictures? As in if I was over should I have seen a flash to indicate a picture was taken.My one and only time for being done December two years ago was a white van and I remember seeing the flash from the camera. Just wondering if it is still the same. BTW I was doing 67kph tonight when I passed so I hope its gone back to 80kph.

Random

Yes, it's because of the garda camera van this evening but I was really hoping to not get into that debate on the thread.

I've always assumed it was 80KPH (which it used to be sign posted just next to the Travellodge).. it doesn't make sense to me that it would be 50KPH from just before Auburn junction right down to the end of the Dual Carrigeway (halfway house roundabout) where it becomes 60KPH just before the roundabout and then 50KPH after.

Cookie_Monster

If there is a 50kph sign at A inbound then its 50...

fletch

Completely off-topic but whats the white blob beside Morgan Place on the map....I don't see it on google maps.

pissed

Out of curiosity I contacted Cabra Garda Station, the guy on reception couldnt tell me off the top of his head what it was and suggested I contact thr RSA. Contacted the RSA who in turn advised me to contact Dublin City Council. Contacted Dublin City Council who advised to contact Fingal County Council. Contacted Fingal County Council who were to "get back to me". As of yet no reply via phone so I have emailed them and received a reply saying they are looking into it and will be in touch. I will post here with the outcome.

I ended up driving the route this morning when I finished work. There are no signs between A and C on the map. However on the off ramp to the train station there is a 60kph and on the ramp coming from the station back on to the Navan Road there is an 80kph sign. Also at the end as you come to the Halfway House roundabout there is a 60kph sign.

Garda said if I didnt see a flash from the van all should be ok.

BrianD

I'm pretty sure that there's an 80 sign just after the cross roads with Auburn Ave (Travel lodge). Least there was!

oisindoyle

I cannot see what the problem is ...
If you are driving on a stretch of road and the speed sign says 50k then thats the maximum speed limit for that stretch of road ,
If the stretch of road says 80k then 80k is the maximum you are allowed to do on that road..

Just read the speed signs
Simple no?

highdef

Normally, I would agree with you oisindoyle but in this case there is definitely a discrepancy. Pissed says "on the ramp coming from the station back on to the Navan Road there is an 80kph sign" - This is completely at odds with alleged speed limit on the mainline at the same point, going by the description of the speed limit sign locations. This would mean that if coming from the train station to the Ashtown roundabout, you can drive at up to 80km/h on the mainline up as far as the 60km/h sign before the roundabout but if you are already on the mainline, you may only drive at 50 km/h on the same stretch of road. that's makes no sense at all and could be potentially dangerous if there is a 30 km/h or more difference in the speeds of vehicles here

Random

fletch wrote: »

Completely off-topic but whats the white blob beside Morgan Place on the map....I don't see it on google maps.

i used google maps to search for "navan road". google added a marker for where the navan road was. i removed this so it didn't confuse my diagram ...

pissed wrote: »

Out of curiosity I contacted Cabra Garda Station, the guy on reception couldnt tell me off the top of his head what it was and suggested I contact thr RSA. Contacted the RSA who in turn advised me to contact Dublin City Council. Contacted Dublin City Council who advised to contact Fingal County Council. Contacted Fingal County Council who were to "get back to me". As of yet no reply via phone so I have emailed them and received a reply saying they are looking into it and will be in touch. I will post here with the outcome.

I ended up driving the route this morning when I finished work. There are no signs between A and C on the map. However on the off ramp to the train station there is a 60kph and on the ramp coming from the station back on to the Navan Road there is an 80kph sign. Also at the end as you come to the Halfway House roundabout there is a 60kph sign.

Garda said if I didnt see a flash from the van all should be ok.

very annoying that nobody can say off hand what the speed limit is.

BrianD wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that there's an 80 sign just after the cross roads with Auburn Ave (Travel lodge). Least there was!

there's no 80KPH speed sign between the Auburn lights and the Esso.

jack presley

Maybe it's supposed to be 50? It does go from 4 lanes down to 1 in under a km. I'm not saying it's right, I just think that could the rational for leaving it at 50 all the way down to the Auburn roundabout.

Having a Garda van there though is taking the piss. Fish in a barrel and all that. Where exactly was the van by the way?

ThisRegard

The van was regularly there in the evenings before the upgrade, just beside the petrol station. As far as I was concerned the limit is 80.

Victor

jack presley wrote: »

Having a Garda van there though is taking the piss. Fish in a barrel and all that. Where exactly was the van by the way?

In fairness, you'll have some people who think they are still on the motorway and will speed accordingly.

jack presley

Victor wrote: »

In fairness, you'll have some people who think they are still on the motorway and will speed accordingly.

Fair enough, but am i going to get done for doing 70-80kmph as well?

BostonB

The answer seems to be, it depends which road you enter it from, as it inherits that roads speed limit.

LOL. What a joke.

Cookie_Monster

Victor wrote: »

In fairness, you'll have some people who think they are still on the motorway and will speed accordingly.

But these vans are only supposed to be on roads shown to be statistically dangerous, do the statistics show that stretch to be? Somehow I doubt they would...

Victor

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

But these vans are only supposed to be on roads shown to be statistically dangerous, do the statistics show that stretch to be? Somehow I doubt they would...

No, they can go anywhere. Their use is predominantly on the high-risk roads.

inforfun

Confusing it is indeed there.
All i can say about it is that i do that part every day, always stick to 80, have seen numerous speed traps and never received a fine.
So based on that i ll say it is at least 80 max there (more than likely the max as well)
A little further up that road, around the little industrial estate, there is a sign for 60.
Now it seems rather odd that you can go 60 there if you come of a stretch where the max would only have been 50.

jack presley

inforfun wrote: »

Confusing it is indeed there.
All i can say about it is that i do that part every day, always stick to 80, have seen numerous speed traps and never received a fine.
So based on that i ll say it is at least 80 max there (more than likely the max as well)
A little further up that road, around the little industrial estate, there is a sign for 60.
Now it seems rather odd that you can go 60 there if you come of a stretch where the max would only have been 50.

Coming off the slip road from the Railway station there are signs that say 80 so the signs aren't consistent anyway. And I like the answer a previous poster got with all the councils and NRA etc. saying it's someone else's responsibility. Typical!

Mimikyu

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Stark

oisindoyle wrote: »

I cannot see what the problem is ...
If you are driving on a stretch of road and the speed sign says 50k then thats the maximum speed limit for that stretch of road ,
If the stretch of road says 80k then 80k is the maximum you are allowed to do on that road..

Just read the speed signs
Simple no?

In cases where there's a mistake on the sign or a sign is missing, it's the driver's responsibility to know what the limit is according to the speed limit bye-laws. There are quite a few roads around Dublin 15 without speed limit signs.

The council should have a list of speed limit bye-laws which give the official word on what the limit is for a particular stretch.

Random

i've emailed the garda traffic division, the nra and fingal coco and await reply. i emailed them the day i setup this thread.

a drivers responsibility goes so far ... but if they can't find out the speed limit there's little they're left to do.

pissed

Kinda forgot about this thread but had a spare minute and decided to phone the county council again. Managed to get through to a guy who seemed to have all the answers.

The official speed limit at the point where the van was is 80kph. The council have written to the garda traffic division and informed them of same. The 80 kph sign "disappeared" when roadworks were being carried out and never replaced.

However from around the 21st of March this 80kph limit will reduce in places to 60kph on a small stretch of the road to facilitate a pedestrian footbridge and will remain at 60kph.

BrianD

Where's the footbridge going?

inforfun

There are some markings on the road just before Esso (goign to City centre)
I suppose that is where that bridge will be, close to a bus stop.

But 60 km/h is sad. Not that long ago it was 100 km/h.

jack presley

From the look of the works that have taken place so far, it looks more like a pedestrian crossing than a footbridge that is going to be built near the Esso station. Which of course will be another place for traffice to get stuck.

inforfun

jack presley wrote: »

From the look of the works that have taken place so far, it looks more like a pedestrian crossing than a footbridge that is going to be built near the Esso station. Which of course will be another place for traffice to get stuck.

That is my fear too, a crossing. Hope the poster above is right and that it will be a bridge. But i can only see a crossing coming there.

jack presley

inforfun wrote: »

That is my fear too, a crossing. Hope the poster above is right and that it will be a bridge. But i can only see a crossing coming there.

I had a good luck going past this evening and its definitely a pedestrian crossing which makes no sense having on a duel carriageway. They have the barriers up, some of the markings on the road and the poles to hold the lights including the overhanging type so there is no way this is going to be anything other than a pedestrian crossing.

What moron decided that I wonder?

Victor

jack presley wrote: »

What moron decided that I wonder?

Bridge, long lead in time for planning permission, 2-3 months work, €500,000+, poor accessibility, low maintenance.

Bridge with lifts, long lead in time for planning permission, 3-4 months work, €500,000+, reasonable accessibility, high meintenance.

Pedestrian crossing, low overheads, maybe two weeks work, €20,000, very accessible, low maintenance.

Mimikyu

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Losty Dublin

inforfun wrote: »

There are some markings on the road just before Esso (goign to City centre)
I suppose that is where that bridge will be, close to a bus stop.

But 60 km/h is sad. Not that long ago it was 100 km/h.

Correct me if need be but so long as the N 3 carriage way around the vicinity of Esso's and Ashtown/Racecourse was open, was the speed limit not always 50 MPH or 80KMh?

jack presley

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Who's putting this together as well. There must be only one bloke working on it as the progress is ridiculously slow. For example this week's work consisted of the hanging of one set of lights on the already erected poles on each carriageway.