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TheDoc

Heya folks,

Rare poster in here but figured it might be the best bet.

Looking to pickup an M4A1 Carbine. Kinda sick of the fancy modern rifles and just want a Basic m4. In time may upgrade with some magpul toys but I just want the basic.

I was looknig for some suggestions on a good performance gun. Performance is key for me, realism and that crap just doesnt appeal to me anymore, performance is key for this purchase.

The brands I've been eyeing over are.

ICS
G&G
TM

G&G do a lovely full metal m4 for about €179 which is pretty cheap compared to the rest. I'm comfortable with G&G performance and know it will be good and reliable.

TM has always been good performers, always thrilled with their range but their plastic flimpsy design always put me off.

ICs I'm getting recomendations for but seem very very pricey, but their ability to strip down easy is appealing.


Any advice would be immense

Stone.cold

Doc, I got an ICS M4 for xmas and I have to say haven't been as impressed by a gun since I bought my G&G M16, its the abs body but it is a solid, lovely rate of fire and accurate out of the box, atm nothing needs to be done to this gun I would recommend one to anyone

TheDoc

Stone.cold wrote: »

Doc, I got an ICS M4 for xmas and I have to say haven't been as impressed by a gun since I bought my G&G M16, its the abs body but it is a solid, lovely rate of fire and accurate out of the box, atm nothing needs to be done to this gun I would recommend one to anyone

Yeah I'm very much leaning towards G&G. I'm hearing good things about ICS, but not to justify the steep price hike over a G&G.

I'd be itnerested in a TM, snice I love my mp7, just wondering if they do metal bodies and have sorted out the barrel wobble.

Stone.cold

I think the price is justified wit the quality of gun u get, the full metal one is expensive but the sturdiness of the abs won is class, I have put metal bodies on most of the guns I have owned but for now I see no need wit the ics, the only thing I changed was the stock I can't be dealin wit those tiny stocks like a knife blade in my shoulder

TNTQ

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TheDoc

TNTQ wrote: »

VFC Doc, hard to be unbiased but they are one of the sweetest standard M4s out of the box. VFC's E-series are their 'cheaper' option but they still have rock-solid construction and a 11.1v Capable gearbox as standard. I know you aren't a full-auto junkie but you will appreciate the trigger response.

A tightbore and a non-taiwan hop-up rubber and these things are awesome.

I did not know VFC do M4's, I'm a big VFC fan after their 416 got some great use from me, tbh tempted to buy another 416.

Will check them bad boys out, cant get on your site from work " guns" are blocked but will check when I go home.

Are the bodies full metal? I assume for a VFc, we are talking between 250-300 mark.

G&G seems to edge simply cause of the fact they are very cost effective and come with tightbores and good hop up rubbers as standard, but a guarder hop is must in any gun I buy.

Will defo checki t out though

Leftyflip

Have to say though Doc, a big +1 on the VFC M4A1, it's a lovely gun with wonderful externals and internals, as you would expect from the VFC range, if you own the VFC 416, you won't be disappointed

TNTQ

:rolleyes:

Firekitten

G&G ones are nice, and look up g&p m4s... cheap, gorgeous externals, and great runners inside. (just dont buy g&p mags)

TheDoc

Firekitten wrote: »

G&G ones are nice, and look up g&p m4s... cheap, gorgeous externals, and great runners inside. (just dont buy g&p mags)

Chers actually I'd completely forgot about G&P.

Mostly cause they arnt really a brand you'd see for sale in Ireland, but I love my M16 to pieces so an M4 from them would be sweet.

But would I be right in saying they would be rather pricey?

I don't see anything beating a G&G m4, everything seems another 100-200 euro more, for...no performance increase that I can tell.

But G&P...now there is an idea ;D

3102derek

Firekitten wrote: »

(just dont buy g&p mags)

Whats wrong with their mags?

Lemming

TheDoc wrote: »

But would I be right in saying they would be rather pricey?

I don't see anything beating a G&G m4, everything seems another 100-200 euro more, for...no performance increase that I can tell.

But G&P...now there is an idea ;D

Wouldn't call G&P overly pricey as a brand; hell the stoner comes in at around GBP£450/500 and that'd be at the upper end of the spectrum *. FireKitten's G&P m16VN was about £230 (bought in 2009), so I wouldn't consider them an overly expensive brand by a long shot. Mid-range most certainly, but not really any higher.



* I am ignoring the 'Bomber' range of GBBRs which are ... f*cking orgasmic to behold but also somewhat more expensive to boot. For those who don't know "Bomber" are a sub-division brand of G&P

StevieGriff

Steer clear from the plastic bodied ICS M4's... I've seen 2 used at Cork Airsoft, both broke from the pistol grip all the way up the receiver.
Replacement receivers were extremely hard to find and dead expensive!

Go G&G or G&P..

Firekitten

TheDoc wrote: »

Chers actually I'd completely forgot about G&P.

Mostly cause they arnt really a brand you'd see for sale in Ireland, but I love my M16 to pieces so an M4 from them would be sweet.

But would I be right in saying they would be rather pricey?

I don't see anything beating a G&G m4, everything seems another 100-200 euro more, for...no performance increase that I can tell.

But G&P...now there is an idea ;D

Landwarrior in scotland have g&p m4 (basic one) for £230 iirc, or somewhere around that mark... something I'd call rather reasonable tbh.
Edit: G&P m4 series at LWA M4 is part way down, comes in at £234, and in stock. Bargain If you ask me.
Derek: G&P mags are notorious for thier ability to feed rounds.... aka, not. Horrid things, never had a good one. Doc has hundreds of stanag mags I wager, one he doesnt use is hardly a loss.

TheDoc

Correct you are the mag that came with my G&P M16 was mighty rubbish, sits on a shelf at this stage never used.

My G&G option with Eirsoft wents belly up since I realised it was plastic.

So my options are now looking like

(and remember these are just the bog standard M4 carbines metal bodies)

G&P
ICS
G&G
Magpul
VFC

Someone also mentioned a DB Customer build whatever that is.

The price bracket I was looking at has significantly shot up, I'm now looknig at beween €250-350 to get a plane Jane M4 Carbine.

I'm really stuck in a bind, everyone has great pros and very few cons. My initial idea was just having a bsic M4 but obviosuly going down the route of Magpul MOE handguard, CRT stock and MBus sights with pistol grip aswell.

The selection in Irish stores is pretty weak to be honest so I'll be looking at a special order with one of them.

I had a VFC 416 ebfore and it was fantastic, great kit, would not have any hesitation using that brand. But they are seriously expensive , around €320 or so.

G&G are a solid brand, rarely seem them cack and performance is always top notch. Probably be waiting a bit for the M4 model and it comes in at about €250.

My G&P m16 had some teething problems initially for some time which is a worry. But when its working ( like now) its fantastic performance. Agian though relatively pricey.

Magpul have been thrown in the mix and at a relatively good price too for their MoE offerings, which essentially is what I want. Performance I've heard from users and players is pretty high.

I'm just in ten minds at the moment its horrible
Then to make matters worse I hear of these DB Custom builds (whatever they are) that are supposidly fantastic.


I never thought picking out a M4 could be so hard.

TheDoc

Lemming wrote: »

Wouldn't call G&P overly pricey as a brand; hell the stoner comes in at around GBP£450/500 and that'd be at the upper end of the spectrum *. FireKitten's G&P m16VN was about £230 (bought in 2009), so I wouldn't consider them an overly expensive brand by a long shot. Mid-range most certainly, but not really any higher.



* I am ignoring the 'Bomber' range of GBBRs which are ... f*cking orgasmic to behold but also somewhat more expensive to boot. For those who don't know "Bomber" are a sub-division brand of G&P

From having a route around abroad they price in at about £260 excl shipping for a Basic model of M4. Throw onto that maybe 20 quid for shipping and I'm at £280 which is just around if not higher then €300.

Order irish and I can expect to pay about €330 : /

So they are hitting the high price bracket, I'm really shocked to see the pricing of basic model m4's across the range, so damn expensive,

Shiva

TheDoc wrote: »

So they are hitting the high price bracket, I'm really shocked to see the pricing of basic model m4's across the range, so damn expensive,

Airsoft in general has become more expensive in this country, for various reasons.

As Firekitten said....we're catching up on the rest of the world.

Shiva

TheDoc wrote: »

My G&P m16 had some teething problems initially for some time which is a worry. But when its working ( like now) its fantastic performance. Agian though relatively pricey.

If I'm not mistaken though, once you stopped using the 9.6v battery and stuck with the 8.4v, it was fine ? Or am I mis-remembering ?

TheDoc

Shiva wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken though, once you stopped using the 9.6v battery and stuck with the 8.4v, it was fine ? Or am I mis-remembering ?

Your 100% correct now that I think about it, it was deciamted with a 9.6v, but with 8.4 its a dream, used at the weekend at redbarn its as good as ever.

And I know that pricing is going up, but I maybe just assumed that "base" models would be cheaper since there is no bells and whistles like fancy stocks or rails etc

horgan_p

Shiva wrote: »

Airsoft in general has become more expensive in this country, for various reasons.

As Firekitten said....we're catching up on the rest of the world.

Quoted to record the time Tony and Firekitten agreed on something.sign of the apocalypse people - its all over now.


Back on topic - for sheer reliability my TM P90. It just works all.the.time.
My favourite aeg changes from week to week , depending on what movies I've been watching.
As regards m4 , I've owned TM , SRC, ICS and Dboys but I must say my full metal Star ( with Magpul goodies ) is the best M4 I've owned. And bizarrely , once you've done a bit of work on it ,the Dboys metal M4 comes in a close 2nd.

Shiva

horgan_p wrote: »

Quoted to record the time Tony and Firekitten agreed on something.sign of the apocalypse people - its all over now.

Rachael and I agree on most things.





We'll just never admit it

TheDoc

horgan_p wrote: »

I must say my full metal Star ( with Magpul goodies ) is the best M4 I've owned. And bizarrely , once you've done a bit of work on it ,the Dboys metal M4 comes in a close 2nd.

I'm trying to narrow options here Paul, NARROW!! :P

Leftyflip

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm trying to narrow options here Paul, NARROW!! :P

Get the Dboys Tony has for €50, spend €100 on upgrades and a little more on externals, sorted Cheap and wonderful.

Shiva

Leftyflip wrote: »

Get the Dboys Tony has for €50, spend €100 on upgrades and a little more on externals, sorted Cheap and wonderful.

Shut up you, I'm trying to flog him a Masada in private.

Sheesh

TheDoc

Leftyflip wrote: »

Get the Dboys Tony has for €50, spend €100 on upgrades and a little more on externals, sorted Cheap and wonderful.

You do know who I am right?

I'm the guy who tried to change a barell in a G36c and ended up with the gearbox , in a cup, in my hand, waiting for richie to come back of holidays to fix it.

Captain Chaos

TheDoc wrote: »

You do know who I am right?

I'm the guy who tried to change a barell in a G36c and ended up with the gearbox , in a cup, in my hand, waiting for richie to come back of holidays to fix it.

I hear ya, I just look at an AEG and a spring, a tiny screw and the smallest piece of plastic known to man will fly out and never be seen again.

Hopup units are my arch nemesis, I promise myself I will never ever touch one belonging to a working airsoft gun again otherwise I ends up a wall hanger until I can get someone to sort it.

hightower1

Why not have a look at the G&P magpul m4? Has all the magpul parts you mentioned coupled with a nice reciver and stock?

Just had one ordered in and its fantastic.

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/aeg/g-p-hong-kong/magpul-licensed-gandp-m4-cqb-moe-aeg-black-x-dark-earth.html

Leftyflip

TheDoc wrote: »

You do know who I am right?

I'm the guy who tried to change a barell in a G36c and ended up with the gearbox , in a cup, in my hand, waiting for richie to come back of holidays to fix it.

Ask Richie to do it for you then lol.

Firekitten

hightower1 wrote: »

Why not have a look at the G&P magpul m4? Has all the magpul parts you mentioned coupled with a nice reciver and stock?

Just had one ordered in and its fantastic.

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/aeg/g-p-hong-kong/magpul-licensed-gandp-m4-cqb-moe-aeg-black-x-dark-earth.html

He wants a 'plain' m4, not a burberysoft one

Blazer

Magpul is the new "plain"

hightower1

lol , it is VERY magpul alright but I threw in a 7.4v lipo and the ROF / range / accuracy is astounding. Soild internals too. Will have to de chav it a bit though removing the handguard and bits. The reciver is quite nice though.

Firekitten

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Magpul is the new "plain"

nah, magpull is the new burbery and angled baseball cap.

TheDoc

hightower1 wrote: »

lol , it is VERY magpul alright but I threw in a 7.4v lipo and the ROF / range / accuracy is astounding. Soild internals too. Will have to de chav it a bit though removing the handguard and bits. The reciver is quite nice though.

I'm actually uber liking that one

G&P Make, so I know I'm going to love it
And all the magpul goodies I was going to put on it anyway, for a nice price.


Mulling over which colour set, but I think I might just have found my rifle.

Whats the trigger response like Hightower, and does the battery go into the handguard?

Need to order some lipos and a good battery charger come to think of it

Blazer

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm actually uber liking that one

G&P Make, so I know I'm going to love it
And all the magpul goodies I was going to put on it anyway, for a nice price.


Mulling over which colour set, but I think I might just have found my rifle.

Whats the trigger response like Hightower, and does the battery go into the handguard?

Need to order some lipos and a good battery charger come to think of it

I stuck a RIS rail on mine instead of the handguard and used the magpul xtm rails (foliage green) to match up the rest of the rifle.
I'll post a pic later if you want an idea of how it looks.

TheDoc

Sc@recrow wrote: »

I stuck a RIS rail on mine instead of the handguard and used the magpul xtm rails (foliage green) to match up the rest of the rifle.
I'll post a pic later if you want an idea of how it looks.

Yeah please, they are pretty resonably priced, I've heard mostly good things about them.

I had heard of a few people having some durability issues, but I think it was with the actual Magpul made M4, the G&P M4 with magpul goodies looks to have good reviews all around with little teething issues, cant sa yI've ever handled one or seen one on hte field,

But the price is pretty much around all the other brands for their basic M4 models, and considering I was going to throw some mapgul bits on it anyway, this looks like everything I need.

The sale of my TM MP7 also lightens the price a fair bit.

Firekitten

For a moment Doc dear, i thought your soul was redeemed, however, it seems you decided to get your spot by the pool in Tartarus staked out

Leftyflip

The new G&P MOE carbines are... awesome.
Amazing trigger response and ROF, solid internals and beautiful externals.
Damn you T, you made me want it again

TheDoc

Firekitten wrote: »

For a moment Doc dear, i thought your soul was redeemed, however, it seems you decided to get your spot by the pool in Tartarus staked out

I was looking for a Basic M4 model, to then tear everything external off it and turn it into an MoE, always wanted one.

TBH I think I'll stop being a little undecisive bitch and jsut go for it, so now after 10 days I've decided on the rifle.

Now to mull over the colour....

Tan, believe it or not, is not an option, Black or OD comp.

Got a new OD kit, so maybe that colour scheme would be lovely

3102derek

you wont go wrong with the G&P M4. I got the G&P Mapul ACS Vltor M4 in OD & it's feckn savage.

I'd defo go with OD. The OD looks awesome on it.

Firekitten

You worry more about colour coordination than me!

(I say foliage green is actually a nice idea... dont see many.)

TheDoc

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/magpul-gandp-m4-cqb-moe-aeg-olive-drab.html

Price request sent to my dealer

Job done.


The only question and confusion I have is wha tthe hell is a T-Shaped connection for the battery ?

Either or, just pickup some of those batteries I guess.
But any additional info would be great

And now I have an excuse to buy one of those magpul slings.
Thanks for the advice guys, got alot of pms and the help here has been great.

I think I'm making a solid purchase and a rifle I really wanted for some time

3102derek

TheDoc wrote: »

The only question and confusion I have is wha tthe hell is a T-Shaped connection for the battery ?

Either or, just pickup some of those batteries I guess.
But any additional info would be great

see here => http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/king-arms-t-type-connector-mini.html

they look similar to deans connectors

TheDoc

3102derek wrote: »

see here => http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/king-arms-t-type-connector-mini.html

cheers pal will check when i get home, ehobbyasia blocked for me in here

Is it just a different connector of Lipo?

Guess it will need its own charger aswell probably.

3102derek

not sure i dont use lipo's

here a picture of it

Leftyflip

It's a mini deans connector essentially.

TheDoc

3102derek wrote: »

not sure i dont use lipo's

here a picture of it

Cant see pictures in work either haha, ill check this **** out when I get home

Pretty excited now, all my OD webbing came today aswell

SOCOM

You mentioned DB custom! Pm The Minder and go and see what he's building!!
Porn does not describe adequately what he can do!
Just to mention he produces custom works of art not blue movies!!!

TheDoc

SOCOM wrote: »

You mentioned DB custom! Pm The Minder and go and see what he's building!!
Porn does not describe adequately what he can do!
Just to mention he produces custom works of art not blue movies!!!

Yeah he got back saying its just like a hobby and he sells of some pieces every now and again but he doesnt have any ready stock or anything

TBH happy enough with the G&P I'm going to get, and in fairness his guns look like seriously high ROF with the systema parts which I'm just not into, trigger response is king for me

CaptainCook

SOCOM wrote: »

You mentioned DB custom! Pm The Minder and go and see what he's building!!
Porn does not describe adequately what he can do!
Just to mention he produces custom works of art not blue movies!!!

get the new G&P xm177, its a classic none of this rail nonsense? your there to shoot not to grate f*ckin cheese.

TheDoc

Knocked the whole thing on the head, difficulty of acquiring the items, price and difficulty being the main problems.

Going to just kick with my M16 and M4 troy till summer atleast then revisit the whole idea, in the time being might keep an eye on adverts.

But my budget went from €200 to €400 and its just me being silly when I've two perfectly working rifles at home.

Might keep the M16 I've being trying to sell, and turn it into some type of DMR

TheDoc

I went with the G&G Plastica in the end.

Picked up Magpul Moe,CRT and pistol grip in OD

Also have a magpul metal body on route for a discount price

So thanks for all the information guys

Will put up some pics of assembly the finished article