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Over half on housing list are foreign

  • 22-02-2011 12:33am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭


    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-2549208.html
    MORE than half of the applicants for council homes in north Dublin are from abroad, new figures show.
    It is the first time that there have been more foreign than Irish people on Fingal's social housing list.
    "For the first time, more than half those on the waiting list for social housing in Fingal County Council are non-Irish nationals. A third are from outside the EU," Fine Gael's Kieran Dennison said.
    The figures were supplied in response to questions from Cllr Dennison.
    Lone parents on the list have risen by 28pc to 3,480, he said. This category of applicant now accounts for 43pc of people waiting for council homes.
    The number on Fingal's housing list is 8,144, up 22pc on the 6,691 on the list a year ago.
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    In response to Mr Dennison's question, the council stated: "There are a total of 4,108 applicants seeking social housing support with Fingal County Council of non-Irish nationality. Of this group, there are currently a total of 2,362 applicants who are of non-EU nationality."
    The councillor said Ireland needs immigration and "it is inevitable that some immigrants may fall on hard times and will need support from the State just like the rest of us".
    Nevertheless, he criticised the lack of controls over what he termed "welfare tourism".
    "The incoming government is really going to have to get a handle on this issue. It causes resentment against those who are genuinely here to make a contribution to our economy and our society," he said.
    He added that social housing applicants "are entitled to obtain rent allowance while they wait to be housed".
    "In Fingal this can take up to six years or more. Half of all residential rents in Ireland are now paid for by the State," Mr Dennison said.
    The Migrant Rights Centre Ireland was not available for comment at the time of writing.

    Unusual for a councillor to come out and say something like that,also shows alot of people leaving the country too i guess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Half of all residential rents in Ireland are now paid for by the State


    :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Would it not be cheaper to bung them into some of the houses & apartments owned by NAMA than to be paying out rent to private landlords for them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Meh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Ricardo G


    Thats because nobaody else wants to live in Finglas !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭yosemite_sam


    So what, do you know the amount of people of Irish descent are living in social housing in the UK?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    So what, do you know the amount of people of Irish descent are living in social hosing in the UK?

    14?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Bloody fordiners comin over here and takin our empty houses :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Half of all residential rents in Ireland are now paid for by the State


    :eek:

    And rent allowance is a Government controlled tactic to keep rents at a certain rate. Cut the allowance and rent would fall for everyone, as would the cost of housing in general.

    I hope FG cut rent allowance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    Make me ill thinking I have to struggle to pay a mortgage with little work and zero benefits . Me a life long tax payers WHILE>>>>
    .

    some bollocks can get a taxi from the airport to the social and get a house and cheque handed to them.

    You can save your PC sh1t. The country cant afford it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭stupidfishy


    Durk err jubs, durk err huses.
    Durk err duurrr..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭bildo


    Derk er DERRBS!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Ricardo G wrote: »
    Thats because nobaody else wants to live in Finglas !!
    Fingal....read up on your Dublin sectors :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Hopefully in a few years we will get a good soccer team out of these young foreign lads, Zinadine Murphy how are ya.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    anniehoo wrote: »
    Fingal....read up on your Dublin sectors :rolleyes:

    Nobody wants to live in Fingals. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    baldbear wrote: »
    Hopefully in a few years we will get a good soccer team out of these young foreign lads, Zinadine Murphy how are ya.

    They may want to play for the country of their parents though, and we will get all upset forgetting about all the English born players playing for us ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Nobody wants to live in Fingals. :D
    Especially if you're dyslexic and ticked the wrong box...'magine :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    14?
    Million?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭hardcore


    Who gives a flying fcuk?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭MardiB


    anniehoo wrote: »
    Fingal....read up on your Dublin sectors :rolleyes:

    Eh perhaps you should, parts of finglas fall under the remit of Fingal county council.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    The real problem i have is the fact that half of residential rents are paid for by the state. That's just insanity and isn't in the least bit sustainable.

    Why bother buying a house or even just paying your own rent when there's a 50/50 chance you can just use other peoples tax money to pay for your accomodation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sandmanporto


    So what, do you know the amount of people of Irish descent are living in social housing in the UK?
    Well im sure a lot of them were born in the uk and are citizens so whats ur point? A lot of irish who went to england got no state help. We have enough problems of our own and we cant afford to support other nations people who decide to dump their problems on us. Time to get tough, if your coming to live here WORK because we cant afford to feed and shelter you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    Nobody wants to live in Fingals. :D

    Nobody likes Millhouse!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Well im sure a lot of them were born in the uk and are citizens so whats ur point? A lot of irish who went to england got no state help. We have enough problems of our own and we cant afford to support other nations people who decide to dump their problems on us. Time to get tough, if your coming to live here WORK because we cant afford to feed and shelter you!

    Were they not entitled to it? Not sure that is correct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Wouldn't mind a free house myself. Swords is going to get like the ghetto in a few more years. It's well on it's way to getting there at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sandmanporto


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    Were they not entitled to it? Not sure that is correct.
    My parents lived there. My mam said they got hardly anything. They STRUGGLED. My dad had to work very hard


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    So what, do you know the amount of people of Irish descent are living in social housing in the UK?

    The difference is those Irish left the country looking for work,for years there has been people arriving here with no intention of doing a days work,it's quite obvious we are seen as a soft touch when it comes to handouts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    My parents lived there. My mam said they got hardly anything. They STRUGGLED. My dad had to work very hard

    I was under the impression that the Irish can sign on and can go on the housing list, that was 20 odd years ago mind.

    But assume the Irish can sign on over there?

    I take it you have absolutely no problem with immigrants coming freely over here to work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    The difference is those Irish left the country looking for work,for years there has been people arriving here with no intention of doing a days work,it's quite obvious we are seen as a soft touch when it comes to handouts

    And I'm sure that many people that come here are doing so to work and improve themselves just like the large numbers of Irish are now doing so again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sandmanporto


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    The difference is those Irish left the country looking for work,for years there has been people arriving here with no intention of doing a days work,it's quite obvious we are seen as a soft touch when it comes to handouts
    Very true. Im sick of foreigners coming here, disrespecting here, complaining about this and that then gettin their dole and not doing a tap. I hope the next government changes this and work for the IRISH people who elected them in the 1st place!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Pauleta


    The housing list has to be done away with. Nobody deserves a free house. I dont care if they pay minimal rent, its Ludicrous that people can get houses like this. Have loads of kids you cant afford - get a cheap house. What sort of society is that suppose to be. I dont care if its Johnny Foreigner or Johnny Player Blue, its just farcical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sandmanporto


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the Irish can sign on and can go on the housing list, that was 20 odd years ago mind.

    But assume the Irish can sign on over there?

    I take it you have absolutely no problem with immigrants coming freely over here to work?
    I have no problem? Would you also agree that a foreigner should have to pass a test of english to be allowed to work here? The amount of times ive heard mates say they understand how to be specific about their wages but if u get onto them about making a mistake they play the 'i dont understand' card. It's about time we stuck up for ourselves for a change.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    And I'm sure that many people that come here are doing so to work and improve themselves just like the large numbers of Irish are now doing so again.

    Yes and that's fair enough but it's the many that are not that is the problem


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I have no problem? Would you also agree that a foreigner should have to pass a test of english to be allowed to work here? The amount of times ive heard mates say they understand how to be specific about their wages but if u get onto them about making a mistake they play the 'i dont understand' card. It's about time we stuck up for ourselves for a change.

    Who are "ourselves"? Fellow Irish people? What's so special about us? I don't know you, but from the tenor of yours posts, I can tell that I'd far prefer to be lumped into categories with my foreign friends than the likes of yourself. Nothing like a bit of xenophobia through anecdote to get the masses rallying. I don't know where your "mates" hang about, but I've never had a foreign worker pretend they couldn't understand me. And what standard of English would you demand? Because, judging from some of the posts around here, some Irish people would have trouble passing even the most basic of proficency exams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Einhard wrote: »
    but I've never had a foreign worker pretend they couldn't understand me.

    I have, on a few occasions. Most recent being a taxi driver


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  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can't believe half of residential rents in Ireland are paid by the government.. That's insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Class, a foreigner and single parent bashing thread all in one.

    I'm sure FG will sort this problem out, will not be a problem come the next election.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    I can't believe half of residential rents in Ireland are paid by the government.. That's insane.

    Thought it was a bit mad but with 450,000 on the dole, many of them would get Rent Allowance, plus Ireland's high home ownership rate and it probably isn't far off.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yea I guess it makes sense... Just seems like a mad statistic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Most statistics about Ireland are mad, especially when viewed from the outside.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Would it not be cheaper to bung them into some of the houses & apartments owned by NAMA than to be paying out rent to private landlords for them?

    NAMA owns the bank loans, it doesn't necessarily own the properties.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The real problem i have is the fact that half of residential rents are paid for by the state. That's just insanity and isn't in the least bit sustainable.

    Why bother buying a house or even just paying your own rent when there's a 50/50 chance you can just use other peoples tax money to pay for your accomodation?

    I agree. If the state is paying 50% of the rents (and property prices have dropped 50%) then the rents should be dropped by an equivalent amount. Landlords should be told to take it or leave it.

    But the big thing here is that it is practices like this withing the HSE and Social Affairs that are responsible in the main for our annual €18bn deficit. These types of practices, along with things like 'invalidity, must be tackled head-on.

    The Government doesn't think twice about taxing workers, but God forbid they try to tackle things like I've mentioned. A great country. And when people like the FG candidate even mention welfare tourism, they're castigated. Something has to be done about the haemorrhage of money from the State coffers. Immediately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    And I'm sure that many people that come here are doing so to work and improve themselves just like the large numbers of Irish are now doing so again.

    Some are - some aren't. It's normal in any society. But really, our SW system is what encourages abuse from all sides. It's too beneficial, and too easy to abuse. No checks. Nothing. FFS there isn't even a number that you can report spongers on, like in the UK. It is ridiculous.

    Again, this type of thing is what's driving the €18bn deficit each year. Something MUST be done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭giant_midget


    This is a shocking stastic, This is what makes this country such a mess..What an utter waste of our tax money :rolleyes:

    Hopefully when FG get into power they will stand on all of this welfare abuse..why should the Irish tax payer pay rent allowance for a non EU national :confused:

    Wish this place was like Australia, they only let people in who have skills, not people who are going straight to work in pub toilets handing out cheap fragrances and or claim off the state...That is one of the reasons why it is such a beautiful country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Osgoodisgood


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    I agree. If the state is paying 50% of the rents (and property prices have dropped 50%) then the rents should be dropped by an equivalent amount.

    Rent has dropped in line with the fall in pricing, interest and demand.
    Landlords should be told to take it or leave it.

    Sure, those same landlords will just be handing back the houses to the banks. I'm unclear how this will help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Osgoodisgood


    Would you also agree that a foreigner should have to pass a test of english to be allowed to work here?

    No. What would the "test" involve exactly? And who would the adjudicator be? As mentioned elsewhere, the standard of written and spoken English in Ireland is embarrassing enough already.
    The amount of times ive heard mates say they understand how to be specific about their wages but if u get onto them about making a mistake they play the 'i dont understand' card.

    Your mates sound like they need a hug.
    It's about time we stuck up for ourselves for a change

    rabble rabble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Forest Master


    Durk err jubs, durk err huses.
    Durk err duurrr..
    Tired joke is predictable & lame ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭giant_midget


    Tired joke is predictable & lame ...

    yourt right there, pity theres not an emotion of a snoozy face i can use everytime an idiot uses this phrase


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    yourt right there, pity theres not an emotion of a snoozy face i can use everytime an idiot uses this phrase

    Its the standard internet moron reply when theyve nothing to actually contribute to the topic. HURR DURR SOUTH PARK QUOTE :rolleyes:
    Anyway, arent there now hundreds of thousands of houses sitting empty in ghost estates? Bung them in there. You want a free house, there you go, beggars cant be choosers now can they


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭tallaghtmick


    reading some of the posts on this thread remind me of the typical saying of many people "im not racist but.....":D

    but i agree on one post,foreigners(bar legitimate asylum seekers)should pass a language test to work here.


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