ITU/TI RULES REGULATION

Ceepo

Hi all,
Does anyone on here know more about New rules that i hear TI will be enforcing for the up coming season,

From the ITU Competition Rules

1 Rule 5.2, C (iii) Straight forward clip on bars must be bridged with a solid material,

2 Rule 5.2, b (ii) Wheels must contain 12 spokes, Wheel covers for Rear Wheels are allowed for Draft illegal Races.

This could be the cause of many an disagreement over the Summer

mloc123

Ceepo wrote: »

1 Rule 5.2, C (iii) Straight forward clip on bars must be bridged with a solid material

This makes sense I guess, I presume it only applies to road bikes with clip on bars, with no shifters on the end.

Ceepo wrote: »

2 Rule 5.2, b (ii) Wheels must contain 12 spokes, Wheel covers for Rear Wheels are allowed for Draft illegal Races.

Are allowed? I had read it as aren't... can't see any issues here. Less than 12 spokes on a front wheel? never seen one.

airscotty

Less than 12 spokes on a front wheel? never seen one.[/QUOTE]

I have one! Looks like this... http://www.lfgss.com/thread14556.html

Ceepo

mloc123 wrote: »

This makes sense I guess, I presume it only applies to road bikes with clip on bars, with no shifters on the end.

Its does not only effect Road bikes,
Triathlon Ireland are to implement ITU rules,
It does not say anything about bar end shifters


Are allowed? I had read it as aren't... can't see any issues here. Less than 12 spokes on a front wheel? never seen one.

It would rule out all Tri spoke and the likes of the Spinergy 4 spoke wheels,
I know these will not effect to many as only a few people use them.

The person who told me is TI ref and he thinks this could lead to a bit of hassle as straight forward bars should be bridged, Would be nice if TI advised on this, When i asked him about it, he said that every athlete who partakes should make them selves aware of the rules
There is a bit of talk about this subject on www.Tritalk.co.uk

griffin100

One of the lads on TriTalk was talking about bridging his tri bars with liquorice strips - the rules don't say how 'solid' the bridge has to be.

Ceepo

Ya saw that, now there is someone with a sense of humor

mloc123

aaaaah, had completely missed that. Very strange, why rule out tri spokes

tunney

Why oh why do people do this year on year?

These rules have been in the rule book FOR YEARS.

I've been at races when the the rule was tried to be enforced - clueless racer organisers and power hungry race referees - thankfully more senior race refs were there and had a clue.

Inform yourself people.

Link to the 2011 competition rules
http://www.triathlon.org/images/uploads/itusport_competition-rules_20110207.pdf

Firstly your rule numbes are all off to start

Yes it does say:
"Straight forward clip-on handlebars must be joined with a standard bridge piece."

but just over that is says:
"For draft-legal races the following rule on handlebars apply:"

On spokes it does say:
"Wheels shall have at least 12 spokes."

but just about that is says:
"For draft-legal competitions, wheels must have the following characteristics:"

Ceepo

tunney wrote: »

Why oh why do people do this year on year?

These rules have been in the rule book FOR YEARS.

I've been at races when the the rule was tried to be enforced - clueless racer organisers and power hungry race referees - thankfully more senior race refs were there and had a clue.

Inform yourself people.

Link to the 2011 competition rules
http://www.triathlon.org/images/uploads/itusport_competition-rules_20110207.pdf

Firstly your rule numbes are all off to start

Yes it does say:
"Straight forward clip-on handlebars must be joined with a standard bridge piece."

but just over that is says:
"For draft-legal races the following rule on handlebars apply:"

On spokes it does say:
"Wheels shall have at least 12 spokes."

but just about that is says:
"For draft-legal competitions, wheels must have the following characteristics:"

Just to clear up a few points,

FIRSTLY, You are wrong, in that the rules are there for years,

The rules you have linked are new, they have been changed and updated for 2011

I was informed, just wrongly informed, as the Ref was quoting from the 2010 rules, and in fairness to him it was before ITU updated to the 2011 rules, (updated 7/2/11 and 19/2/11), and have only been put on the ITU site in the last few days,

Cant say he was on a power trip only passing on info that was given to him, and he is one of the most senior ref's in the country. He was only expressing a concern.

As for the rule no's they were correct before being super seeded.

Its good to see ITU have updated there rules for 2011 which in turn CLARIFIES THE RULES about the handlebars/ tri bars.
The same for the Wheels.

Triathlon Ireland are to implement these rules as said, and rightly so as they are now uniform across the board.

Zuppy

It might be handy if TI informs it's ref's of the update and their interpretation if there are changes. A simple e-mail shot to the Tech officials list would do it.

tunney

Ceepo wrote: »

Just to clear up a few points,

FIRSTLY, You are wrong, in that the rules are there for years,

The rules you have linked are new, they have been changed and updated for 2011

Generally when I call someone out on the net I like to be informed and have some facts.

Say for instance the 2010 rules:
http://www.triathlon.org/images/uploads/ituevents_competition-rules-2010_2010-02-11.pdf

Wow fancy that same as 2011 rules on bridges and spokes.

But technically 2010 versus 2011 is just a year so to demonstrate the rules have been the same for years I need something from, say 2008, that showed the rules had been the same

http://www.triathlon.org/docs/competition-rules-20080601-vf.pdf

The section on the bridge of aerobars and spoke count didn't change from 2006-2008 either, again only for draft legal anyways

http://www.zeus-sport.com/TRIATHLON/Resource.aspx?ID=1894

So thats Five years at least the rules on bridges and spoke count have been in place.

Ceepo wrote: »

I was informed, just wrongly informed, as the Ref was quoting from the 2010 rules, and in fairness to him it was before ITU updated to the 2011 rules, (updated 7/2/11 and 19/2/11), and have only been put on the ITU site in the last few days,

Think I've demonstrated that this is all wrong. the FOR YEARS comment again.

No you weren't informed, informed suggests being somewhere in the same vincity as correct. you listened to a clueless person who shouldn't be reffing and took it as gospel.

Ceepo wrote: »

Cant say he was on a power trip only passing on info that was given to him, and he is one of the most senior ref's in the country. He was only expressing a concern.

Seriously doubt that. I should mention at this point I've been a race referee and TD for years, and was TI race secretary for a year.

Ceepo wrote: »

As for the rule no's they were correct before being super seeded.

Rule numbers were correct in 2010, that right.

Ceepo wrote: »

Its good to see ITU have updated there rules for 2011 which in turn CLARIFIES THE RULES about the handlebars/ tri bars.
The same for the Wheels.

Think we've covered that this was done in at the very latest 2006. Again FOR YEARS.

Ceepo wrote: »

Triathlon Ireland are to implement these rules as said, and rightly so as they are now uniform across the board.

And have been FOR YEARS.

Ceepo

Thanks for your in depth research into this, it seems like you have put a bit of work into it and i kneel at the alter of your wisdom,
Thanks also for your link to the 2010 rules where i assume you mean for me to open it and look at PAGE 19 C.) Handlebars (111) For draft illegal races,
STRAIGHT FORWARD BARS MUST BE BRIDGED WITH A SOLID MATERIAL (itu comp rules 2102-01-23
AND FOR THE LINK TO THE 2011 RULES (assume the same)
Page 16 d.)
Handlebars (11) For draft illegal races
Clip on bars in two pieces don't have to be bridged. (itu comp rules 07-02-2011)

Looks like different wording to me, Would that mean its a different rule. Seems like a rule change to me
2008 RULE E.E 3 Handlebars f): there is no mention of them to be bridged or not

Maybe its just me that thinks its different, but your a td, referee which i believe has also changed to TO1, TO2 FOR 2011, So you would know best

I'm also sure the person who told me will be implementing the 2011 set of rules which you will be glad to know makes no difference, just as well ITU changed them then

tunney

Epic fail on 2010 rules.

2006 and 2008 rules do not have the bridge rule for draft illegal races.

I stopped reffing and TDing end of 2009 so out of date regarding names
of positions (and obviously rules).