Student 30 Day Ticket Confiscated

twanny32

I was travelling to college the other day on the 46A bus, 3 Inspectors got on and took my student 30 day off me, het told me I didn't have a 2011 student travel card, but when I bought the ticket in Decmeber it was in date, I've on holidays and only went back to college 2 weeks ago, Now I have to get a new student card and bring it to Dublin Bus to get my ticket back, this is totally unfair, I'm without my ticket until then.
Its happened to loads of my friends in college there seems to be some sort of crackdown everyone is seeing bus Inspectors everywhere lately

Trampas

You hadn't got the correct ticket.

Losty Dublin

twanny32 wrote: »

I was travelling to college the other day on the 46A bus, 3 Inspectors got on and took my student 30 day off me, het told me I didn't have a 2011 student travel card, but when I bought the ticket in Decmeber it was in date, I've on holidays and only went back to college 2 weeks ago, Now I have to get a new student card and bring it to Dublin Bus to get my ticket back, this is totally unfair, I'm without my ticket until then.
Its happened to loads of my friends in college there seems to be some sort of crackdown everyone is seeing bus Inspectors everywhere lately

Do you have a 2011 card that covers you for February 2011?

Del2005

twanny32 wrote: »

I was travelling to college the other day on the 46A bus, 3 Inspectors got on and took my student 30 day off me, het told me I didn't have a 2011 student travel card, but when I bought the ticket in Decmeber it was in date, I've on holidays and only went back to college 2 weeks ago, Now I have to get a new student card and bring it to Dublin Bus to get my ticket back, this is totally unfair, I'm without my ticket until then.
Its happened to loads of my friends in college there seems to be some sort of crackdown everyone is seeing bus Inspectors everywhere lately

From when I used to buy student travel cards they always had to be accompanied by a valid student travel card. You don't have a valid card so the ticket is void, they really should have issued you with a Standard Fare so count yourself lucky.

You've had 2 weeks to get you're travel card sorted no excuse

Wolfe Tone

It is a bit harsh, the trick is to look like a compete scumbag and they wont even ask you

phasers

I'm not one to side with Dublin Bus, but I don't see what's unfair about what happened to you. Go get a valid student travelcard and you'll get your pass back. Seems fair to me.

amdublin

Once your valid student id had expired, thereby invalidating your ticket, why did you not go get a new valid one?

mikemac

You need the 2011 student travel card.
This has always been the way, for over a decade now

Squirm

I rememebr being in college and buying those passes, regularly without the necessary student card... and then craping myself on every journey that an inspector would get on and confiscate it.

It's very decent of them to hold the card and allow you to get your 2011 student card and then get the ticket back. I'd have thought they'd have destroyed it.

It is annoying but sure the rules are there for a reason an they can't look at personal circumstances, like holidays etc, or they'd be stuck listening to everyone's excuses.

Also, they need to stop people from buying the bus tickets in bulk with a valid student card and then using them throughtout the year when the card has expired. So I'd say that's why he wasn't interested in the fact that you bought the car in December. That was a good while ago now in fairness. Especially for it to relate to a 30-day ticket you're using in Feb.

Good thing you wern't fined!!!

supercheckers

Yeah, i too had my 5day student ticket taken off me last week because my travelcard had expired in December 2010. Got a standard fare and told to get a new one within 2days! Harsh or what I had college books and DIT card etc. there was 3 of them on my bus too on the Navan Rd, they must be everywhere theses days! A guy on my course got €250 fine in court in January for not producing his travelcard or paying his dtandare fare within the 21 days!!!

phasers

I get the 78a all the time and oddly enough I've never seen an inspector on it

Larianne

twanny32 wrote: »

I was travelling to college the other day on the 46A bus, 3 Inspectors got on and took my student 30 day off me, het told me I didn't have a 2011 student travel card, but when I bought the ticket in Decmeber it was in date, I've on holidays and only went back to college 2 weeks ago, Now I have to get a new student card and bring it to Dublin Bus to get my ticket back, this is totally unfair, I'm without my ticket until then.
Its happened to loads of my friends in college there seems to be some sort of crackdown everyone is seeing bus Inspectors everywhere lately

Plenty of time to get a new 2011 student travel card.

Victor

In fairness, we are 7 weeks into 2011 at this stage.

mikemac

phasers wrote: »

I get the 78a all the time and oddly enough I've never seen an inspector on it

The OP should have been agressive and acted like a scumbag.
No fine and no confiscation, they'd just be taken off the bus. And get the next one a few minutes later

Only easy targets get fined

Del2005

supercheckers wrote: »

Yeah, i too had my 5day student ticket taken off me last week because my travelcard had expired in December 2010. Got a standard fare and told to get a new one within 2days! Harsh or what I had college books and DIT card etc. there was 3 of them on my bus too on the Navan Rd, they must be everywhere theses days! A guy on my course got €250 fine in court in January for not producing his travelcard or paying his dtandare fare within the 21 days!!!

Not the slightest bit harsh IMO. The rules are clear, too use a student travel card you need

a valid, in-date Student Travelcard I.D. with your Student Travelwide prepaid ticket

Or has reading gone out of fashion in school?

schemingbohemia

Could you change the title of the thread to
"Stupid Student can't understand why rules apply to them?"

Larianne

Plus, you can get a 2010-2011 student card from September onwards.

Del2005

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Could you change the title of the thread to
"Stupid Students can't understand why rules apply to them?"

FYP:D

Victor

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Could you change the title of the thread to
"Stupid Student can't understand why rules apply to them?"

Knock it off.

meanmachine3

feelingstressed wrote: »

The OP should have been agressive and acted like a scumbag.
No fine and no confiscation, they'd just be taken off the bus. And get the next one a few minutes later

Only easy targets get fined

firstly this is totally un-called for. F.Y.I. the amount of abuse and attacks is on the in crease especially towards bus drivers and T.B.H. this is the sort of crap that we as bus drivers dont need .( i feel another warning on the horizon :rolleyes:). now to get back to the O.P.'s POST. That was the zero tollerence unit. it doesn't matter who you are or what you do. if you dont have the right ticket or i.d. they take action. Just in case any of you take feelingstressed advice i would strongly warn you against it. these guys will have no hesitation in calling the guards and in fact sometimes there is a patrol car with them for just such cases that feelingstressed condones.

TheVoodoo

I really don't think that it is unfair.

You did not have a valid student travel card, simple as.

I waited until i got my new 2011 card before using my 30day ticket.

It doesn't matter that you had books / college id.

The 30 day ticket is valid for Student Travel card holders, not students in general.

mikemac

meanmachine3 wrote: »

Just in case any of you take feelingstressed advice

meanmachine3 wrote: »

such cases that feelingstressed condones.

I think you're misreading me, I seriously didn't mean the OP should act the scumbag.
It's just an example of what goes on.

Happens on the red line Luas every day where troublemakers get removed and they get the next tram and quiet people give their details and get fined.
I doubt Dublin Bus is much different

Since this is a Dublin Bus thread, like an earlier post, I see no inspectors on the 78A!
If they have garda backup I am glad to hear it

AlekSmart

On a more general level I have to express some level of concern at the sheer scale of 3rd Level Student issues with accquiring and maintaining Public Transport related documentation.

It really does underline,for me,a serious issue with the standards of our 2nd level schools who supply the 500+ pointers who get to tread through our Groves of Academe.

Unusually enough,from my accumulated observations,the possession of the correct ID requirements for accessing Licenced Premises and associated facilities never appears to present the Student Body with half the difficulty of a Public Transport one.....odd that ??

TheChrisD

AlekSmart wrote: »

On a more general level I have to express some level of concern at the sheer scale of 3rd Level Student issues with accquiring and maintaining Public Transport related documentation.

I think it's the whole fact that a Student Travelcard is an extra expense given that students already have a form of identification in their student card, no?

Why they still have this Travelcard nonsense is beyond me.

Victor

TheChrisD wrote: »

Why they still have this Travelcard nonsense is beyond me.

Some Student IDs have no expiry date.

Given the dozens of small private colleges, keeping track of them is a difficulty.

Vic_08

TheChrisD wrote: »

I think it's the whole fact that a Student Travelcard is an extra expense given that students already have a form of identification in their student card, no?

No. Bus Eireann accept the (free) college ID cards and still I get at least 1 out of 10 people looking for or presenting pre-bought student tickets unable to produce ID, even more annoyingly I have to ask 3/4 of them to show me the cards which is inevitably followed by a huff and a prolonged root in bags/pockets for said card. Gets very old on Fridays/Sundays when faced with a queue of 50 odd "students".

TheChrisD wrote: »

Why they still have this Travelcard nonsense is beyond me.

Because the alternative is a joke. I ask for ID, as long as the person presenting waves something at me I don't care what it is.

There is no way I am in a position to memorise and identify a valid card from an invalid one to a degree where i would be confident enough to deny someone the discount.

AlekSmart

TheChrisD wrote: »

I think it's the whole fact that a Student Travelcard is an extra expense given that students already have a form of identification in their student card, no?

No ChrisD,my issue isn`t with expense as such,as in reality the Student Travelcard is relatively inexpensive (€15 inc Photo) and now becoming more widely available too....

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0217/breaking39.html


http://studenttravelcard.ie/?base_name=ez_page&ez_id=19

My issue is with the mindset which Vic08 refers to here...

No. Bus Eireann accept the (free) college ID cards and still I get at least 1 out of 10 people looking for or presenting pre-bought student tickets unable to produce ID, even more annoyingly I have to ask 3/4 of them to show me the cards which is inevitably followed by a huff and a prolonged root in bags/pockets for said card. Gets very old on Fridays/Sundays when faced with a queue of 50 odd "students".

The REALLY scary thing about Vic08`s description of the surly Student Rooter is that,fast forward 50 years and that Student is now standing in front of Vic09 with exactly the same demeanour.

It really is a far deeper phsychological issue I feel,which cuts to the quality and ethos of our basic educational system.

If one travels on major European City or Urban Transit systems one is immediately struck by just how keen the users are to facilitate efficiency.

From my conversations with other EU City Bus drivers I find they have a genuine amazement with the amount of interaction,mostly pointless,that we have to engage in with passengers.

As Vic08 points out,one recalcitrant passenger will,with absolutely no hesitation,keep a dozen or more other passengers standing out in the pouring rain in order to make some obscure point about their own "individuality".

I tend to take a somewhat short view of such conduct,which if I notice it having a delaying effect or otherwise discomfiting other passengers I will ask the passenger concerned to move aside whilst I facilitate other passengers who do have their money/pass/ticket ready.

I operate in the area of Mass Public Transit...moving large numbers of people as rapidly and safely as possible...If there is a requirement for some greater degree of personal service then the person needs to consider the other options of Private Hire or SPSV usage....me...well I`m piling em high,and sellin em cheap !!....as long as you have the correct documentation !!

schemingbohemia

Victor wrote: »

Knock it off.

Victor, sorry about this and I know you're usually very fair and if you want to ban me fair enough as I am back-seat modding.

BUT, it's getting a bit stale with thread headings like this one and the other one accusing a Dublin Bus driver of being on the fiddle when the gist of both threads and many many others prove that the OP is in the wrong, yet their thread titles remain the same leading the casual viewer of this forum to think that DB/IE/BE are fining people for a laugh or robbing their money at an alarming rate.

freeze4real

my weekly ticket got taken off me last week monday. this was the first i ever encountered the inspectors i was told me bring a student ID in which i havent.

Time is money

how many weeks do i have to produce a valid student ID in.

schemingbohemia

freeze4real wrote: »

my weekly ticket got taken off me last week monday. this was the first i ever encountered the inspectors i was told me bring a student ID in which i havent.

Time is money

how many weeks do i have to produce a valid student ID in.

surely it's just a question of retrieving your valid student ID from home where you obviously left it?

Del2005

freeze4real wrote: »

my weekly ticket got taken off me last week monday. this was the first i ever encountered the inspectors i was told me bring a student ID in which i havent.

If you don't have a valid student ID card you aren't even allowed into college, so why bother going?

freeze4real wrote: »

Time is money

Oh the irony.

freeze4real wrote: »

how many weeks do i have to produce a valid student ID in.

They would have told you. Or if you read the thread you'll know.

supercheckers

If you dont bring it in to Dublin Bus within the 21days, from the day the standard fare was issued, you will be brought to court!! you will face a bigger fine and have to pay €100 costs also!

904473

"the trick is to look like a compete scumbag and they wont even ask you."

My brother is an inspector with Dublin Bus. The above statement is very untrue. No matter what you look like, if they board a bus everybody will be checked.

As for students ... You get a big discount of 25% and more off certain tickets. Surely to ask you to have a valid Student Travel Card is only fair. My daughter is in TCD and got her new card for 2011 as far back as November last year. Putting off buying the Student Travel Card is silly.

In fairness to Dublin Bus, they give you 21 days to produce a valid card and when you do so they return your ticket and because the tickets are electronic you don't lose any travel days from your ticket.

As for the person who never sees inspectors on the 78A, that route is regularly checked. Sometimes more frequently than others.

904473

Del2005 wrote: »

If you don't have a valid student ID card you aren't even allowed into college, so why bother going?

Some colleges issue a student card for 3 to 4 years. If a student drops out after the first year, he/she may still be in possession of their college card but NOT be a student. Therefore this system of the Student Travel Card helps ensure that students are bona fide.

-Chris-

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Victor, sorry about this and I know you're usually very fair and if you want to ban me fair enough as I am back-seat modding.

BUT, it's getting a bit stale with thread headings like this one and the other one accusing a Dublin Bus driver of being on the fiddle when the gist of both threads and many many others prove that the OP is in the wrong, yet their thread titles remain the same leading the casual viewer of this forum to think that DB/IE/BE are fining people for a laugh or robbing their money at an alarming rate.

How about reporting the thread and asking for the thread title to be changed instead of going around calling people stupid (indirectly or not).

How about starting a new thread about it to get consensus, or PMing Victor and/or myself to discuss a solution?

I'd have no issue with updating the Charter, or editing a thread title if asked, in order to stop people from trolling.

Please don't call people stupid, please don't discuss moderation requests on-thread.

-Chris-

Thread title changed.

freeze4real

Del2005 wrote: »

If you don't have a valid student ID card you aren't even allowed into college, so why bother going?

what i meant was that my college card wasn't accepted as the student card.

FYI without a valid card some students still go to college.

they wont be able to use some sevices like borrowing books from the libray, which isn't a big deal to some.

schemingbohemia

freeze4real wrote: »

what i meant was that my college card wasn't accepted as the student card.

FYI without a valid card some students still go to college.

they wont be able to use some sevices like borrowing books from the libray, which isn't a big deal to some.

Your college card isn't acceptable as a form of ID for use with the student tickets, you must have the student travelcard ID, it really is quite simple.

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/

AlekSmart

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Your college card isn't acceptable as a form of ID for use with the student tickets, you must have the student travelcard ID, it really is quite simple.

http://www.studenttravelcard.ie/

This is the scary part for me.

The scale of this denial/refusal/whatever is of such magnitude to make me wonder as to what the driving-force is behind it ?

schemingbohemia

I think it's a general reflection on the problem this country has with rules. As Olivia O'Leary stated recently we're a very adolescent nation - we still haven't accepted that the State is us, every one of us, it's not THEM it's us.

We fought for Independence, then fought each other, ever since it seems to have been a fight between rural and urban, the whole D4 meeja is agin us rubbish. The fact that our State has allowed religious organisations continue running schools and hospitals even though they are fully funded by the State has helped this situation continue added to the waste of public funds generally has led to people not seeing the connection between what they pay in taxes and what they receive in services.

Gone slightly off-topic there but anyway, very few people in this country obey the rules and that has helped us get to where we are now.

BenShermin

904473 wrote: »

As for the person who never sees inspectors on the 78A, that route is regularly checked. Sometimes more frequently than others.

I'm laughing out load at this statement., can't take it seriously at all I'm afraid. Once in ten years of frequent use of the 78a have I seen an inspector. However I see drug usage, litter and vandalism on a daily basis on the 78a:mad:.

Anyway back on topic. I don't see why students are able to purchase these tickets without the relevant ID. Dublin Bus should train retailers to ask for ID when people are purchasing Dublin Bus tickets that require ID. Retailers are already well trained in ID procedure when selling cigarettes and alcohol so asking for ID for bus tickets shouldn't pose a problem.

I guarentee that these threads would be a thing of the past if such a plan was implimented.

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

This is the scary part for me.

The scale of this denial/refusal/whatever is of such magnitude to make me wonder as to what the driving-force is behind it ?

The driving force is that these darlings have never had to do anything in their lives not even wipe their own backsides and when they encounter something like this travel id or having to look for information on what bus or train to get or any number of minor catastrophes they open a thread here instead of using initiative they have not been allowed develop and then muddle on through because mammy and daddy will pay to have the mess cleaned up.

foggy_lad

BenShermin wrote: »

Anyway back on topic. I don't see why students are able to purchase these tickets without the relevant ID. Dublin Bus should train retailers to ask for ID when people are purchasing Dublin Bus tickets that require ID. Retailers are already well trained in ID procedure when selling cigarettes and alcohol so asking for ID for bus tickets shouldn't pose a problem.

I guarentee that these threads would be a thing of the past if such a plan was implimented.

I remember several years ago maybe as far back as 20 years ago I used to buy a weekly bus ticket for which I had to have photo id. In shops at that time the retailer had to write the number that was on your photo id onto the ticket and afaik also into a notebook. So they could not sell to you unless they got your id number or presumably would not get paid for that ticket?

A similar thing should be done for student tickets imo.

Del2005

freeze4real wrote: »

what i meant was that my college card wasn't accepted as the student card.

And quite rightly so. It's not as if it's that hard to get the travel card.

freeze4real wrote: »

FYI without a valid card some students still go to college.

they wont be able to use some sevices like borrowing books from the libray, which isn't a big deal to some.

I'm sure if you read the paper work you got off your college you'll see one of the 1st rules is that students aren't allowed on campus without a valid college ID card.

But from reading this thread it appears that our students don't bother reading anything

Maybe there'll be a thread somewhere with a student complaining they where kicked off campus because the didn't have the college ID but did have books and a pen!

It quite simple really. To avail of the student discount on public transport you need a valid student travel card, to avail of college you need a valid college ID card. Lots of jobs require cards for access, how will our poor students ever manage to get into work?

Squirm

I was a student in the not TOO distant past and we had the same issues.
We wanted to buy an use student bus tickets, without paying the few euro extra for the travelcard. So that's what we did.

You'd try your luck buying the ticket without the travelcard and, usually, you were successful and you'd then spend the week or month crapping yourself that an inspector would get on and, either getting away with producing your normal college ID when an inspector got on, by claiming you'd forgotten your travelcard and giving him the puppy dog eyes OR having your ticket confiscated. My ticket was never confiscated but I did have to lie to more than a few inspectors about having one at home.

The difference is, we knew we were in the wrong and we didn't try to make out that Dublin Bus had screwed us over in some way. The rules are very clearly stipulated. And yeah, sometimes people would have their tickets confiscated and they'd be going mad about DB and how 'unfair' it was.

I find it very hard to believe that the students here, who have had their tickets confiscated, didn't know full well the rules and wern't just chancing their arms at getting away with not getting that travelcard.
Oh and I have no idea why we didnt just go get the travecard. But a surprisingly large number of people didn't bother.

dearg lady

Squirm wrote: »

I was a student in the not TOO distant past and we had the same issues.
We wanted to buy an use student bus tickets, without paying the few euro extra for the travelcard. So that's what we did.

You'd try your luck buying the ticket without the travelcard and, usually, you were successful and you'd then spend the week or month crapping yourself that an inspector would get on and, either getting away with producing your normal college ID when an inspector got on, by claiming you'd forgotten your travelcard and giving him the puppy dog eyes OR having your ticket confiscated. My ticket was never confiscated but I did have to lie to more than a few inspectors about having one at home.

The difference is, we knew we were in the wrong and we didn't try to make out that Dublin Bus had screwed us over in some way. The rules are very clearly stipulated. And yeah, sometimes people would have their tickets confiscated and they'd be going mad about DB and how 'unfair' it was.

I find it very hard to believe that the students here, who have had their tickets confiscated, didn't know full well the rules and wern't just chancing their arms at getting away with not getting that travelcard.
Oh and I have no idea why we didnt just go get the travecard. But a surprisingly large number of people didn't bother.

the travelcard was 15 when I was in college, for a whole year!! And you couldn't bother to pay it? I really wish your ticket had been taken off you!!

BenShermin

foggy_lad wrote: »

I remember several years ago maybe as far back as 20 years ago I used to buy a weekly bus ticket for which I had to have photo id. In shops at that time the retailer had to write the number that was on your photo id onto the ticket and afaik also into a notebook. So they could not sell to you unless they got your id number or presumably would not get paid for that ticket?

A similar thing should be done for student tickets imo.

Come to think about it I actually remember my dad having the number written on the ticket for him back in the day.

Yep, it really is a good idea for student tickets.

stop

foggy_lad wrote: »

I remember several years ago maybe as far back as 20 years ago I used to buy a weekly bus ticket for which I had to have photo id. In shops at that time the retailer had to write the number that was on your photo id onto the ticket and afaik also into a notebook. So they could not sell to you unless they got your id number or presumably would not get paid for that ticket?

A similar thing should be done for student tickets imo.

Good luck compelling shop staff to do that.

TheChrisD

Squirm wrote: »

Oh and I have no idea why we didnt just go get the travecard. But a surprisingly large number of people didn't bother.

Maybe because it's an unnecessary extra hassle to have to get another ID card every year just for public transport?

AlekSmart

TheChrisD wrote: »

Maybe because it's an unnecessary extra hassle to have to get another ID card every year just for public transport?

Yep,I reckon ChrisD has it in a nutshell....The HASSLE....Big BIG SIGH !

Del2005

TheChrisD wrote: »

Maybe because it's an unnecessary extra hassle to have to get another ID card every year just for public transport?

It is a requirement to have the card to the card to avail of a significant discount on said public transport. If it's too much hassle to get the card then pay full price like the rest or stop complaining when you are fined

Is there any record of fines paid by people? Perhaps DB and other public transport operators should have an increasing scale for each time you're caught.