FG/SF Coalition?

the groutch

Anyone else see this as a realistic possibility?

If you look at FG's options for coalitions

Labour: Would have to give away alot of cabinet positions, possibly finance to form a coalition. and if this campaign is anything to go by, compromise might be very difficult

Fianna Fail: Edna isn't that stupid to commit political suicide

Independents: Could leave a very slender majority, and end up with Healy-Rae types holding them to ransom, or losing crucial votes.


Sinn Fein however would give them a stable majority, but have control of the majority of the cabinet.

Maybe there was something to that photo of Gerry Adams hugging Edna on Prime Time?

Dr. Baltar

Never going to happen. Sinn Féin has similarities with Fianna Fáil in that they both claim to be republican. They have similarities wiht Labour in that they are both rather left wing.
But Sinn Féin and FG are total opposites. Economic policies are black and white and FG has always been the "Law and Order" party and definately the most anti-IRA party.

They'd never get into bed together.

Daegerty

Is there anyone SF would get into a coalition with?

Dr. Baltar

Daegerty wrote: »

Is there anyone SF would get into a coalition with?

The United Left Alliance would have the most similarities with SF. They could also get in with Labour and possibly the Greens.
I don't think the rest would.

Killer Pigeon

The would be more unlikely that a FF/FG coalition.

caseyann

the groutch wrote: »

Anyone else see this as a realistic possibility?

If you look at FG's options for coalitions

Labour: Would have to give away alot of cabinet positions, possibly finance to form a coalition. and if this campaign is anything to go by, compromise might be very difficult

Fianna Fail: Edna isn't that stupid to commit political suicide

Independents: Could leave a very slender majority, and end up with Healy-Rae types holding them to ransom, or losing crucial votes.


Sinn Fein however would give them a stable majority, but have control of the majority of the cabinet.

Maybe there was something to that photo of Gerry Adams hugging Edna on Prime Time?

I think it would be good one to see,they ones representing the rich and the ones representing the normal and poor.
Nice balance.

Sibylla

Daegerty wrote: »

Is there anyone SF would get into a coalition with?

Exactly, Also is there any party who would form a coalition with SF?
I think the likes of Pearse Doherty has improved public perception somewhat but listening to Adams at the debate proves how unlikely it would be. I think he is pulling down the party hugely given his history. The only party they agree on issues at all with would be FF and that would be solely based on republican politics.

K-9

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The would be more unlikely that a FF/FG coalition.

If the numbers add up I'd say there will be behind the scenes talks.

FG probably could stomach it and think of the ministerial positions, SF might have problems matching the realities of Government and their manifesto.

View

Dr. Baltar wrote: »

Never going to happen. Sinn Féin has similarities with Fianna Fáil in that they both claim to be republican. They have similarities wiht Labour in that they are both rather left wing.
But Sinn Féin and FG are total opposites. Economic policies are black and white and FG has always been the "Law and Order" party and definately the most anti-IRA party.

They'd never get into bed together.

So are SF and the DUP but it doesn't prevent them getting along in NI. FG might decide they can't/won't work with SF, but it would be real hard to see how SF could maintain that FG are more objectionable than the DUP.

Scotty #

the groutch wrote: »

Anyone else see this as a realistic possibility?

Absolutely not!

I don't think any of the top 4 would ever even consider it.

Hannibal

View wrote: »

So are SF and the DUP but it doesn't prevent them getting along in NI. FG might decide they can't/won't work with SF, but it would be real hard to see how SF could maintain that FG are more objectionable than the DUP.

Stormont has a power sharing system so its not like SF and the DUP made a conscious decision to go into government together but they have put the work in. But regardless of FG, SF would not go into government or near one with FG end of story.

Nehaxak

Politics is politics, never say never.

meglome

Nehaxak wrote: »

Politics is politics, never say never.

Indeed never say never but SF would have to drop most of their economic policies as they're rubbish.

GSF

caseyann wrote: »

I think it would be good one to see,they ones representing the rich and the ones representing the normal and poor.

It is good to know that 39% of peope in Ireland today are rich and only 12% are poor if that is the case

hask1965

ff fg greens sf labour there all going to feck the country up we should do what they have done in egipt and go on the streets and strike until we get what we want the rich are going to get richer the poor poorer mass emagration it all ready happening its going to be more suffering and the td getin richer while we all suffer i would like to see them live on the dole give me there money and burn the banks down up the credit union the banks should be more like them:mad::(:eek

Ray Burkes Pension

hask1965 wrote: »

ff fg greens sf labour there all going to feck the country up we should do what they have done in egipt and go on the streets and strike until we get what we want the rich are going to get richer the poor poorer mass emagration it all ready happening its going to be more suffering and the td getin richer while we all suffer i would like to see them live on the dole give me there money and burn the banks down up the credit union the banks should be more like them:mad::(:eek

The geniuses running the Credit Unions have invested their member's money in the Irish bank system.

And as for Fine Gael, they have ruled out a coalition with Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail. If they row back on that they will piss off a lot of their voters.

hask1965

where all feckt them

Liam Byrne

hask1965 wrote: »

where all feckt them

What? And who's Ray?

hask1965

sorry liam did not have my glasses on who ever gets in will screw us all anyway:D

Liam Byrne

hask1965 wrote: »

sorry liam did not have my glasses on who ever gets in will screw us all anyway:D

At least you chose to type and weren't driving! :eek:

Unfortunately I don't think they have a choice in the matter considering the state FF have left us in.

But going back on-topic I sincerely hope that FG don't contemplate an alliance with SF.

Wolfe Tone

Wouldnt see that happening tbh, although...



Can you feel the love?

Lawrence1895

I heard a few times, people (FG supporters btw) claiming that SF is a 'party from the North', maybe they don't realize, that SF is an (the only) All Ireland Party

Anyway, I don't think, this coalition would work, too strong are the objectives on both sides.

davmcguinness

I find it hypocritic FF and FG say no way to SF but had no problem in pushing the unionist in to goverment with them.
Labour diden't rule it out but said they could not see/or find it very difficult to coming to an agreement I may need to corrected on that.

FG policy is almost identical to FF they are in normal circumstance the natural partner. I think the big losser would be labour at the end of a coalition with FG.

Cork24

FG Cant get in, What their are looking to do is :eek:,, break up the HSE, FAS sell them off. So our Health Care will be like America ? NO thank you.. Student FEE's why not cut them down with out giving us a 12% high Tax ban when we Start Work,, Why not just take our first 5 pay checks and i take nothing home..

caseyann

GSF wrote: »

It is good to know that 39% of peope in Ireland today are rich and only 12% are poor if that is the case

And the middle income earners also represented by SF, as the rich and middle and low income have very high separation between them.Dont you know

The Brigadier

Daegerty wrote: »

Is there anyone SF would get into a coalition with?

I don't think any party would get into bed with SF.

usamaoreilly

I can not see it happening.But I hope and pray Labour get in with them so as to put the dampers on their plans...I remember that shower in government in the times of the gemma hussey ,and is was not sweet..

hask1965

lets just have the greens and independent run the place they can not do any more to the place its allready f up:eek:

PomBear

hask1965 wrote: »

ff fg greens sf labour there all going to feck the country up we should do what they have done in egipt and go on the streets and strike until we get what we want the rich are going to get richer the poor poorer mass emagration it all ready happening its going to be more suffering and the td getin richer while we all suffer i would like to see them live on the dole give me there money and burn the banks down up the credit union the banks should be more like them:mad::(:eek

Sinn Féin elected reps only get an average industrial wage lad.

And I think you've to look into policies and track records of parties, you'll find where parties their interests lie.

I would say Labour and Sinn Féin have interests in the people.

richb6987

If SF were to get into bed with anyone it would be Lab. All you would see is a reuniting of two parties.

Labour have form for categorically ruling out post election deals in the strongest terms and then cynically going ahead and doing it anyway! Take '92 they poled well on the back of a promise they would not get into bed with FF.... and then did. And that was for a place as a a junior partner!! Now that they have sniff of being the majority party in a coalition there is no telling what they will do... literally

The politically ambitious Shinners changed their name to "The Workers Party"... and then to "New Agenda"... and then to "Democratic Left".. and finally to "Labour"! Those guys (Rabitte and Gilmore) are now in charge of Labour.. a labour/sinn fein coalition would really only be 30 year reunion!!

Wolfe Tone

The stickies didnt like SF, no old comradeship between the two really

Sierra Oscar

If FG find it difficult to be in coalition with Labour then they will find it impossible to be in coalition with Sinn Fein.

Also, I am not even sure if Sinn Fein want to be in government themselves.

hask1965

let us all run and the b est person can run the place

noinc

The Labour party are being dictated to already by the unions and not just any unions. It is more power to civil and public servants now that they are under threat. Why can't the powers that be seek out the lazy deadwood from these high paid safe jobs ?

Labour and Fine Gael will just give us the bicker brothers in Enda and Eamon, it will only be hours before they are nicknamed something like that or E2. Labour want to change the constitution, so do The EU, they cannot wait to get their hands on it and Gilmore wnats to open the floodgates for them. Labour don't want to cut children's allowance so now those earning millions can keep their mickey money. Labour want more women in Government well that is going to open the door for all minorities here. If there is a feeling for more women in government, then more people should vote for women. As for students fees, why should we continue to subsidise students to become barristers and consultants and then get ripped off by them when they qualify ? And if the golden circle have their money back from the gambles they took with the banks, can I have my lottery money back too ?

This country needs a shake up alright but I heven't heard one politician address crime in any way nor the fact that Irish people are going away for work and there are thousands of non nationals even non Europeans working away goodo here.

holidaysong

Lars1916 wrote: »

I heard a few times, people (FG supporters btw) claiming that SF is a 'party from the North', maybe they don't realize, that SF is an (the only) All Ireland Party

Anyway, I don't think, this coalition would work, too strong are the objectives on both sides.

The Socialist Party, the Workers' Party and People Before Profit are also All-Ireland parties. You could argue that the Green Party are too.

Lawrence1895

holidaysong wrote: »

The Socialist Party, the Workers' Party and People Before Profit are also All-Ireland parties. You could argue that the Green Party are too.

Sorry, I just realize, that I forgot to put the '?' behind 'the only'

hask1965

they the winners will get this country into a worse state than we our in mass emagration wich is all ready happening less collkage places because the people that can not get work apply for the courses kids leaving school our looking at they say unemployement is down like **** there all leaving that why this country is in a deep depresion and will stay that way for at least the next 5 or longer years:eek:

peta217

no way couldnt see the mighty gerry adams going into power with a load of blueshirts

Liam Byrne

hask1965 wrote: »

they the winners will get this country into a worse state than we our in mass emagration wich is all ready happening less collkage places because the people that can not get work apply for the courses kids leaving school our looking at they say unemployement is down like **** there all leaving that why this country is in a deep depresion and will stay that way for at least the next 5 or longer years:eek:

Can you translate this, please?

hask1965

my english is bad im from india ya see what i am trying to say is the country will only get worse before it gets better there is already mass unemployment people leaving because there is no work here it getting like the 80 again collage money down hitting the poor the rich bankers getting bail outs the goverment wont have to worry about bills rent health care education what ever party or parties get in its going to take ten years to get us back up and running again bertie got out at the right time god help us all:eek:

Bottle_of_Smoke

I don't think its completely impossible but highly unlikely. Maybe if SF had 6-7 seats FG would offer to co-produce a white paper on Irish re-unification and not cut social welfare for a few years.

SF could then argue this was worth giving their support to FG

Though they're poles apart on so many issues from health to university fees to taxation its so difficult to imaghine