Ned O'Keefe fears a military coup d'etat

mike65

Oh dear, we really need a Politicians Say the Craziest Things sticky.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0216/breaking57.html

While the winds of change continue to blow furiously across the Arab world, outgoing Cork TD Ned O’Keeffe has warned that Ireland might be next.

Mr O’Keeffe (whose son Kevin is standing for Fianna Fail in the Cork East constituency) has warned of the very real possibility of a military coup.

According to a report published in today’s Evening Echo , Mr O’Keeffe said “The situation has become so bad that an Army coup is a real possibility.”

Blaming Taoiseach Brian Cowen and Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan for hastening the possibility of a military takeover, Mr O’Keeffe issued the following warning:

“Our political system is going to fail further. The two Brians have made a right mess of the country and I see the real possibility of an Army coup.

This is what happens when you spend half your life inhaling pig swill.

Red Hand

No wonder the country is f*cked with people like him in charge.

tim_holsters

So Charlie Haughey liked "nice" women.

Could've fooled me.

Permabear

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gbee

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I don't understand this comment. I don't know Ned so I can't make a summation.

Red Hand

gbee wrote: »

I don't understand this comment. I don't know Ned so I can't make a summation.

The Irish defence forces are hardly a cabal of power hungry revolutionaries now, are they?:pac:

gbee

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

The Irish defence forces are hardly a cabal of power hungry revolutionaries now, are they?:pac:

I'd go along with this, pretty much as I thought.

I was wondering if Ned knew something that I/we did not.

gandalf

tim_holsters wrote: »

So Charlie Haughey liked "nice" women.

Could've fooled me.

Errr I think Ned needs to get some glasses to go with the straitjacket!

Permabear

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wee slabber

That's what spending 29 years in FF does to you! The man is barking. In the past Conor Cruise O'Brien used to predict coups if the Peace Process was pursued. Now we have this half wit predicting a coup. Be interesting to see if any of his colleagues comment on this.

ablelocks

best idea i've heard.

put the defence forces in charge

they can plan, get their job done on meager resources, maintain law and order, introduce some discipline, have the tools and willingness to enforce their decisions, could introduce martial law and bring internment back for politicians, bankers and developers. brilliant.

by the way, i heard this last night about ned - it's paraphrased, but this is the gist of it :

questioner - do you feel your son has what it takes to be a minister?
ned - ah of course i do, isn't he a Eucharistic minister already?!

johnmcdnl

sure how would the army take the country in the first place :rolleyes:

sure there's only 8500 in the army to begin with... :rolleyes: that's about 300 soldiers to control each county in ireland..

and seeing as they have as much experience of being agressive :rolleyes:

loldog

This is typical FF mentality:

F F= Ireland

FF = Natural Government of Ireland.

I'll be glad to see the back of them.

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PeterIanStaker

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His comments are an insult to the DF and also to the Irish people, if he thinks the State will break down because Fianna Fail aren't in power. Mind you, its not going to be all rosy after the 25th, there will be a lot of hardship and cutbacks, but slowly, gradually, I'd hope the country will be taken off life support, but I won't hold my breath. Point I'm trying to make is that we'll be better off without **** like him.

Overheal

You think thats crazy? Listen to what Glenn Beck is saying about the Egypt situation:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2011/02/02/glenn-becks-egypt-protest-theories-show-hes-finally-lost-his-marbles

Frogeye

johnmcdnl wrote: »

sure how would the army take the country in the first place :rolleyes:

sure there's only 8500 in the army to begin with... :rolleyes: that's about 300 soldiers to control each county in ireland..

and seeing as they have as much experience of being agressive :rolleyes:

hhhmm 8500 men ( and women) with assault rifles, machines guns,18 ton armour cars and grenades would have a reasonable chance of taking over the country if so inclined. Hard to argue with an assault rifle and a 5.56 bullet is pretty agressive all by itself.
and why would they try to take every county? sure if 300 soldiers landed in leitrim wouldn't they be doubling the population, and they wouldn't bother with Donegal. That place gets ignored by everyone with power. So does the mid lands, the west and the mid west and the south west, and sure nobody controls limerick so they wouldn't have to go there either. All they have to do it take over the Pale!

Me still thinks its unlikely! and certainly not desirable. Look at Egypt, anybody going to put money on the Army handing over the country after the summer? Not likely. You really don't wan't the army in power.

Overheal

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Not if the Government itself forsakes the Constitution. In which case an act of Coup could serve to preserve and uphold a constitution.

Dannyboy83

It's a bit unrealistic to be saying it now, but I wouldn't rule it out in 5 years tbh!

Shea O'Meara

That's the problem with die hard lunatics. It's never a party issue but the man at the helm. Simply get in another FFail lad and the country'll be grand. Like cutting the head off a snake.

I do hope Charlie is turning in his grave, as it means he was buried alive.;)

Sir Oxman

http://www.publicinquiry.eu/2009/07/02/ned-okeeffe-let-them-eat-cake/
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/tabId/69/itemId/8103/Neds-Chinese-takeaway.aspx
http://www.businessandfinance.ie/blog_post.jsp?blogID=15&a=3298


"Asked about the recent reshuffle of junior ministers, he admitted that he didn’t “miss the ministry, I miss the money... They’re good-money jobs. They have a very attractive salary, very attractive pensions." More recently, he told constituents looking for funds to replace the portakabins used by national school children in Rathcormac to get stuffed. Ned's son, Kevin, hadn’t received many votes in the Rathcormac area in the last local election. “I was contacted by a representative for the parents’ council and told her straight out my position... All things being equal, I asked her why I should look after the people of Rathcormac if they didn’t look after me? I told her there was no funding available.” A pig farmer, he once called for the banning of the movie Babe, arguing that the portrayal of a lovable little pig would devastate the industry. "

An absolute a*seh*le.

Dannyboy83

gambiaman wrote: »

An absolute a*seh*le.

Apparently Ned lost a fortune in bank shares or investments of some sort, during the Celtic Pyramid.
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/publications/RegofInterestsD%C3%A1il2008.doc (see pg82)
He appears to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but I think it's mostly just bitterness (although he must have been breastfed lemon juice to be that bitter).

Note that in that article he says

A total fkkking Ned wrote:

http://www.thejournal.ie/ned-okeeffe-says-army-coup-a-real-possibility-in-ireland-2011-02/
“People thought I was mad with all the things I have predicted through the years, but I foresaw the economy collapsing due to lax regulation on building housing estates and unwanted shopping centres.”

But it wasn't so long ago he said, in defence of Patrick Neary

A total fkkking Ned wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/finance-chiefs-admit-lack-of-expertise-2168551.html
"It's easy to criticise the man but if he did anything drastic (about the banks), he would have killed the Celtic Tiger," Mr O'Keeffe said."

:rolleyes:


Corks answer to Jackie Healy Rae and John O'Donoghue - rolled into one.

sensibleken

Sounds like a great idea. might as well anyway, id trust them more than the idiots running for election

limklad

Ned O'Keefe = Comical Ali
I see no difference in the spout of delusions by both in their dying days in Government. I have alot of respect for the work of our Military do in peace keeping operations and proud of most of them in the manner they do that service. I am a realist, to put is simply, The Irish Military do not have enough Military might to take control of the state. Secondly, I do not believe that our Military leaders are delusion enough to take control of the Government. It would be the shortest Military coup in the history of the world. The amount of British Military left in Northern Ireland have a better chance of Taking control of Dublin and the Irish state than our own Irish Military.
The intelligence needed to defeat the Irish Military is available here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Forces_%28Ireland%29

If that completely delusion scenario's Ned O'Keefe ever becomes true.
It would be far easier for the people in this country to take down a Irish Military Coup. We poorly finance them since the beginning of the state and are severe under resource and apparently a good number of them are too deaf to hear their commanders commands due to deafness claims at Tax payers expense for shooting simple weapons in training exercises that other Militarys in the world consider too primate. They have outdated tanks that the British has not used since the 1994. It was designed in 1974 as a reconnaissance vehicle not a heavy fighting vehicle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV101_Scorpion

Our drug Crime gangs are better armed that Irish Military are. We send them for several decades to UN peace operations in vehicles that has the same protection as card board boxes covering their vehicles. There is enough illegal held weapons in this country to take down the Irish Military and enough and easily available chemicals to create bombs to drive them out of power. The best they can do is shoot our government leaders. Right now, nobody will look twice to see what happening if they did, due to the level of unpopularity of the current Government. To Take control of this nation is a different matter.

Long standing Irish Government policy of Foreign Military invasion is guerrilla warfare. There is enough experience people in this country who has that experience. So Domestic Military control will suffer the same fate.

That would be stuff that would happen, if delusional Ned O'Keeffe world becomes true.

gbee

limklad wrote: »

shooting simple weapons in training exercises that other Militarys in the world consider too primate. .

Can't let you away with this remark. The rapid response combined army service is a slick integrated service who are well armed and well trained.

In fact our training has been the model recently adopted by the British MOD as wars like the Falklands and especially Afghanistan has highlighted weaknesses in the British Tommy.

Poccington

limklad wrote: »

Ned O'Keefe = Comical Ali
I see no difference in the spout of delusions by both in their dying days in Government. I have alot of respect for the work of our Military do in peace keeping operations and proud of most of them in the manner they do that service. I am a realist, to put is simply, The Irish Military do not have enough Military might to take control of the state. Secondly, I do not believe that our Military leaders are delusion enough to take control of the Government. It would be the shortest Military coup in the history of the world. The amount of British Military left in Northern Ireland have a better chance of Taking control of Dublin and the Irish state than our own Irish Military.
The intelligence needed to defeat the Irish Military is available here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Forces_%28Ireland%29

If that completely delusion scenario's Ned O'Keefe ever becomes true.
It would be far easier for the people in this country to take down a Irish Military Coup. We poorly finance them since the beginning of the state and are severe under resource and apparently a good number of them are too deaf to hear their commanders commands due to deafness claims at Tax payers expense for shooting simple weapons in training exercises that other Militarys in the world consider too primate. They have outdated tanks that the British has not used since the 1994. It was designed in 1974 as a reconnaissance vehicle not a heavy fighting vehicle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV101_Scorpion

Our drug Crime gangs are better armed that Irish Military are. We send them for several decades to UN peace operations in vehicles that has the same protection as card board boxes covering their vehicles. There is enough illegal held weapons in this country to take down the Irish Military and enough and easily available chemicals to create bombs to drive them out of power. The best they can do is shoot our government leaders. Right now, nobody will look twice to see what happening if they did, due to the level of unpopularity of the current Government. To Take control of this nation is a different matter.

Your little dig at the deafness claims, is nonsense. The vast majority of people who were involved with the deafness claims aren't even serving anymore. The claims themselves arose because the DoD, in it's infinite pursuit of being as cheap as possible, refused to issue troops with hearing protection. When troops used their own initiative and personally bought their own hearing protection, they were threatened with being charged for using non issued kit.

The deafness claims arose from the DoD being silly, cheap tossers. They needlessly put troops health at risk for the sake of a few quid and suffered the consequences.

Drug gangs are better armed? When you can show me a drug gang that is armed with Steyr's, GPMG's, M203's, SRAAW's, 84mm Carl Gustavs, 60mm, 81mm and 120mm Mortars, .5 HMG's, 105mm Howitzer's, Javelin's, AI 96 Sniper Rifles and travel in Mowags armed with 40mm RWS or 30mm Cannons and RG32's armed with 40mm RWS or GPMG's, I will honestly post up a picture of me eating a handful of my own ****e.

Also, the Scorpion is no longer used on Ops and hasn't been for some time. The main workhorse has been the Mowag, since Liberia and the RG32's have recently been added to the fleet. So let's get some facts straight, please.

As for Ned O' Keefe, I can't put into words the hate I feel for that man.

Hoffmans

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and gards take oaths to be peacekeepers , still dont stop them from turning state revenue collectors...oaths aint worth the paper they're printed on...

limklad

gbee wrote: »

Can't let you away with this remark. The rapid response combined army service is a slick integrated service who are well armed and well trained.

There is a big difference between training and actual battle. Can you name one Battle in which the Irish army participated in? and then there is training to take over the Country and hold it. Can you give prime examples perform by the Irish army. Peace keeping mission are not an example as when other hostile group/s want to take over the area they do and there is very little that the UN never mind the Irish army can do. There been plenty of examples of genocide in areas of UN controlled area over the last 20 years.

Iraq is a prime example after the US and UK in taking over a country. The US is the Largest Well funded Military in the world and they are struggling in Iraq and lost the confident of the people and they have plenty of war experience in foreign countries.

gbee wrote: »

In fact our training has been the model recently adopted by the British MOD as wars like the Falklands and especially Afghanistan has highlighted weaknesses in the British Tommy.

Only Irish rangers Wing are well armed and highly trained, highly mobile and I believe it is their methods you are referring to, not regular army which is the vast bulk of the Irish Military. As Irish Rangers missions in East Timor and in Africa with the support of other foreign UN member Militaries who became noticeable to other Militaries during the course of their work, but they are small in numbers and is not enough to take control of the nation and hold onto it .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Ranger_Wing

As for the regular army, their weapons and numbers are very vulnerable to the Hostile Irish people when patrolling the streets to hold onto a nation, Derry is prime example when British soldiers arrive in the 1972 which now known as bloody sunday. The Irish army will not be safe from the General public and will be hard hit so they will be Military personnel abandoning or refuse to take orders to do the unthinkable.
Look at Somalia when the US Military arrived in the 1990's with the well equipped and the most well funded Army in the world with top of the range Military equipment and left due to took many casualties that they could bear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_%281993%29

Regular Army do Peacekeeping training of other foreign armies so they can perform duties in areas under UN command where they are welcome by locals and not to take control and governed the Locals. There is a big difference in Armies trained in protecting local populations and been the aggressor in holding land and governing over the people. Irish Army is not been well trained to be that aggressor to take and control foreign lands and do not have the adequate protection for such an act. Irish Army only performs Peace keeping mission abroad under UN mandate and are trained to that function along keeping money deliveries safe from robbers not from the mass general hostile public, they perform guard duties in an environment when things are peaceful, not from gangs of hostile Public looking for their democracy back.

There is a big difference in defending a country from outsiders and fighting and taking over your own people, your Family, your friends, your neighbours. Irish Army will fall faster than most armies around the world, if they do the unthinkable to try and commit to a coup and no training will prepare the Irish army for this. Support structures for the Irish Army will fall.
You cannot expect to see them open fire on Mass Irish Civilians on the streets who are protesting the lost of their Democracy. The Army will not get resupplies from outside the country and will be sanctioned and all financial transactions will be stopped going in and out of the country by foreign governments. With Britain our biggest trading partner will act politically as there is vast number of voting Irish in Britain and a hostile Army in their backyard will concern them.
If the Irish Military tried as we have little Military industries supporting the military. Sabotage will be rife when it comes to power, water and food. Civil war or more likely guerilla war will probably break out if that happens unless the Army surrenders. The Middle East today is a prime Example of what happens when the people wants Democracy or certain groups want to take control.

The Irish Army no matter how well trained will not be able to handle this and like government in democracy, the Irish army will only have the power the people bestow on it not the other way round. Yes, the Irish army can shoot people and win minor battles in the short term in the streets, but they will lose the war because without support of the people they are conquering they will lose.

mike65

O'Keefe is on Last Word in a moment

www.todayfm.com

opinion guy

mike65 wrote: »

O'Keefe is on Last Word in a moment

www.todayfm.com

Thanks for this. This is hilarious.

spokes

Jesus, heard him on the radio. Definite case of inmates running the Asylum

Poccington

mike65 wrote: »

O'Keefe is on Last Word in a moment

www.todayfm.com

What was the general gist of what he was saying?

Just talking nonsense?

Topper Harley01

Thank God O Keefe isn't from Kerry, that's all I'll say. We'd never hear the end of it otherwise.......

Is he the only politician that can actually make Jackie Healy Rae appear sophisticated?

Lapin

So Ned thinks the Irish Army are going to invade Ireland.

The man is nuts.

mike65

He also thought the problem of competent governence was down to "too many intellectuals" in cabinet. You could not make this stuff up.

CoalBucket

Must go down well when canvassing at the doors for his son.

This has to be the most surreal FF tactic ever, vote for my kevin or the army will take over the country ! :eek:

Dempo1

He is definitely loosing the plot, today he is claiming there were too many Intellectuals in the cabinet, Jesus Christ the entire lot, including Junior ministers were as thick as two planks. Their supposed intellect did not stop these shower of ****es destroying the country, thank god poor old Ned was kept on the back benches, i shutter to think what an even bigger **** up would be made if this lunatic had any relevance.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ned-okeeffe-there-were-too-many-intellectuals-in-government-2011-2/

GSF

The army has actually released a statement denying that they are intending to stage a coup. FFS this just gets more surreal.

Dempo1

GSF wrote: »

The army has actually released a statement denying that they are intending to stage a coup. FFS this just gets more surreal.

Astonishing stuff, can't believe the top brass even bothered to entertain such an absurdity, then again they have **** all else to be doing.

Beside's there would be no government to sanction extra payments, allowances, LOL:D

Rob67

Dempo1 wrote: »

Beside's there would be no government to sanction extra payments, allowances, LOL:D

Eh... They would be THE government? Pay rises for all soldiers, sailors, airmen/women, yayyy!!!:D:D:D

opinion guy

GSF wrote: »

The army has actually released a statement denying that they are intending to stage a coup. FFS this just gets more surreal.

Seriously ???

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

loldog

Even generals shrink in horror at the thought of cleaning up the Augean mess Fianna Fáil have left behind them.

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paul71

Do I recall something about Senior officers in the 1980s having a meeting to discuss the unstable political situation after 3 elections in 18 months, was this just a rumour or does anyone else recall it?

I have searched for a link but can't find one.

Auctionmcd

Firstly the purpose of the Irish army is to make us look good in the International news when they go on peacekeeping missions defending the 'innocent'.
Secondly they couldnt even shovel snow when the bad weather ground our country to a halt.
Thirdly the Irish people havent the stomach for a fight, we are like sheep blindly following every would be leader hence why Fianna Fail has been in 3 consecutive governments.

I am not saying our military are useless in any way, it just seems they are of no real benefit to our country as they serve no purpose on our National soil.
Do they deter invasion ? no, that is done by our links with larger countries.
Do they deter any national uprising? no, as I said we are like sheep.

What function do they have other than to enhance our reputation as peacekeepers.

I commend their work on foreign soils but it seems Ireland and their leaders are fixated on helping anyone with the exception of helping ourselves and our Country.
Lets feed and shelter the homeless Irish, freezing on our streets , starving in our gutters.
Lets get the unemployed working, get the unemployed working on our infrastructure, repairing and building our schools, cleaning our streets, maintaining our roads, painting public buildings, retrofitting homes etc. Let them do the work rather than contracting to foreign companies.
Lets be proud to be Irish and lets look after our people, our sovereignty and restore the title Irishman/Woman.
For far too long we have concentrated on protecting the rights of non-Irish, burn the bondholders (Foreign banks speculating in our economy) , they gambled and lost, I dont think Paddy Power would return their money.
Today there is no such thing as being Irish why cant we change this?

R P McMurphy

Might be tricky to stage a coup while you are hard of hearing?

recedite

gbee wrote: »

I'd go along with this, pretty much as I thought.

I was wondering if Ned knew something that I/we did not.

Eh, no..... not unless you are one of the pigs in his pigshed :pac:

who the fug

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Might be tricky to stage a coup while you are hard of hearing?

Wave thee euro notes and they will a come running

GSF

Auctionmcd wrote: »

What function do they have other than to enhance our reputation as peacekeepers.

They escort cash trucks around the country.

Burnt

There is a much higher chance or our esteemed leaders ordering the army into action against groups of anti-government protesters, to save their sorry selves, than there is of them staging any sort of coup. What would be the point an election is only days away.

Poccington

Auctionmcd wrote: »

Secondly they couldnt even shovel snow when the bad weather ground our country to a halt.

Over 3000 DF troops and 900 DF vehicles deployed during the cold snap says you're wrong.

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Might be tricky to stage a coup while you are hard of hearing?

All orders in the DF are given using sign language, obviously.

La Madame

In a traditional coup d'état the Military bombs the Presidents Palace. This would be quite normal in South America. I just cannot see that our Airforce with their few Cessnas could bomb the Áras an Uachtaráin.
Another thing is that the Army has no Tanks! They would at least need 2 tanks in front of the Dail to show their presents. The Japanese SUVS they are driving at the moment might not do.
In my opinion it is not even likely that the British would take the Irish Republic back even in a worst case scenario of civil unrest.
Our best bet in my opinion would be to have the place under UN or EU mandate for a few years. Get somebody in who trains Politicians and Administration in democracy & decency like it was done in Germany after WW2 by the Allies.

I have doubts if a Labour/FG Government can do any better. Not that I am not hoping to get this Mafia out of Government but.......

recedite

La Madame wrote: »

In a traditional coup d'état the Military bombs the Presidents Palace. This would be quite normal in South America. I just cannot see that our Airforce with their few Cessnas could bomb the Áras an Uachtaráin.

Back in WW1 they used to lean out of the cockpit window and drop grenades. Couldn't they do that?

Another thing is that the Army has no Tanks! They would at least need 2 tanks in front of the Dail to show their presents. The Japanese SUVS they are driving at the moment might not do.

Hmmm this could be more tricky. I could see an angry yummy mummy driving a Range Rover ramming one of their nissans, if the army tried to set up a road block anywhere near Grafton St.