Anyone here going to vote Fine Gael?

LordSutch

They have strong policies that will get this country moving again, see their five point plan here > http://www.finegael2011.com/pressreleases.asp?artId=5A5D A solid party with a solid leader who may not need Labour to support them in the next Dail?

almighty1

LordSutch wrote: »

They have strong policies

Hot air

LordSutch wrote:

that will get this country moving again

Even more hot air

LordSutch wrote:

see their five point plan here > http://www.finegael2011.com/pressreleases.asp?artId=5A5D

Talk is cheap

LordSutch wrote:

A solid party

Perhaps

LordSutch wrote:

with a solid leader

Haha you've got to be joking me

LordSutch wrote:

who may not need Labour to support them in the next Dail?

:rolleyes: God forbid.

Pal

YES

First time ever but will vote for them.

One Party Government for me please

R28

After reading their policies, there are two in particular which strike me as a reason not to vote for FG.

Firstly their health policy. Forcing people to buy insurance seems like a move towards increased privatisation and americanisation of the health system.

Secondly this piece of idiocy...replacing the tv license with a 'content license'.

http://newswhip.ie/national-2/fine-gael-propose-content-tax-to-replace-tv-license

Tim Robbins

Pal wrote: »

YES

First time ever but will vote for them.

One Party Government for me please

It's between them and the greens for me. Still thinking about it.

Labour - Unions
FF - Developers

SP and SF are a bit far out for me.

If there was a good independent e.g. Paul Sommerville in my area I'd go for him.

Monty Burnz

Tim Robbins wrote: »

It's between them and the greens for me. Still thinking about it.

Labour - Unions
FF - Developers

SP and SF are a bit far out for me.

If there was a good independent e.g. Paul Sommerville in my area I'd go for him.

Well put.

CiaranMT

Pal wrote: »

YES

First time ever but will vote for them.

One Party Government for me please

Why?

Patrick Madden

The two female Meath Fine Gael candidates, Doherty and Yore, they must be essential to Fine Gael. How are they doing?

nordisk celt83

Anyone here going to vote Fine Gael?

No

nordisk celt83

I'm no tory!!!

GSF

nordisk celt83 wrote: »

I'm no tory!!!

you aren't much of a satirist either!

nordisk celt83

GSF wrote: »

you aren't much of a satirist either!

Since when has communicating an opinion been satire???

Yes.

Labour; unions, pay freezes in the private sector, consider me to be part of a "wealthy" family :rolleyes:
Pity, Eamonn Gilmore is a great local TD, but this isn't about local anymore.

Fianna Fáil; :pac: One of Mary Hannafin's cronies called to the door last night and actually got annoyed at us for asking questions! Barry Andrews in a good TD, if he changed party he would have my vote.

Greens; many, many reasons. They're just not strong enough.

Independants; they might be good locally, but they're not going to run the country.

People before profit; there was a time that Boyd Barrett may have gotten a vote from me but no longer.

I'll be giving my first and second vote to FG and the rest of my voting card will remain empty.

flash1080

Tim Robbins wrote: »

It's between them and the greens for me. Still thinking about it.

Labour - Unions
FF - Developers

SP and SF are a bit far out for me.

If there was a good independent e.g. Paul Sommerville in my area I'd go for him.

FG are funded by developers too.

flash1080

LordSutch wrote: »

They have strong policies that will get this country moving again, see their five point plan here > http://www.finegael2011.com/pressreleases.asp?artId=5A5D A solid party with a solid leader who may not need Labour to support them in the next Dail?

Will they sort out the health service in the lifetime of the next government, or in 10 years, or never? And how will they get the money to do it?

LimeTime

Nope:p

Tim Robbins

flash1080 wrote: »

FG are funded by developers too.

I don't think anyone here who is voting FG is saying they are perfect. They are nowhere close to FF in terms of brown envelopes and they are the only party with a coherent economic policy.

Developers don't have any money anymore so I don't see how they could be funding any political party.

Labour look like they are pandering around their vested interest Union mates (who give them 60K per year). This pandering is to the detriment of everyone else.

Lauder

Yes. To Protect jobs, encourage business and maintain our low tax environment. Cuts before Taxes.

MickShamrock

Never have and never will.

effemall

is there really any difference between FG and FF

ceekay74

effemall wrote: »

is there really any difference between FG and FF

nope!! not with broad policy anyway.

leincar

I've just voted(postal vote).

I gave my preferences to FG followed by Labour.

My reasoning is that I want a strong, stable government at this stage. They may not do everything I agree with, but they cannot come within an asses roar of being as bad as the previous lot.

If they don't get an overall majority, and I honestly don't think they will(in the prediction thread I have them on 74 seats) then I would rather a coalition with Labour rather than have them depend on Independents even if they are people like Ross and Sommerville.

Tipp Man

flash1080 wrote: »

FG are funded by developers too.

do labour get funding from unions?? do SF get funding from bank robberies etc??

LordSutch

It is interesting to note that the vast majority of Boards.ie posters would not vote for Fine Gael, (but would rather vote Sinn Fein)!, maybe 'interesting' is the wrong word, but with Fine Gael riding in the overall opinion polls & more or less certain to be out next Government, it is strange to see such dismissive posts 'by some' towards Fine Gael, vis a vie such massive support (on boards.ie) towards SF.

Soo many threads & posts bigging up Sinn Fein, who only have 10% of the vote.

beagle001

Labour all the way

Tim Robbins

effemall wrote: »

is there really any difference between FG and FF

Is there a difference between asking questions like this and trolling?

If you genuinely don't know the differences why not phrase the question that way or if you genuinely think there isn't what not phrase the question in the way which shows you've done some thinking and objective research on the matter.

Otherwise you are wasting people's time.

Tim Robbins

beagle001 wrote: »

Labour all the way

Are you a member of Siptu or public sector - if you don't mind me asking?

pawrick

Usually FG get my 1st choice and labour 2/3 with Greens and any half decent independent bringing up the rear.

I have no hesitation of voting for anyone I think would do a good job or whos party would do a good job.

At the moment however I'm stuck, local FG TD was one of those leading the revolt against Kenny so he's pretty much screwed for the forseeable future and none of the other candidates are people I have heard of. I also think Kenny is an a*s but all that matters is that he can do a good job and appoint the right people to positions.

I'm leaning towards labour 1st with FG 2nd and 3rd this time around and maybe Ming 4th as he has been getting good press.

Flimbos

LordSutch wrote: »

They have strong policies that will get this country moving again, see their five point plan here > http://www.finegael2011.com/pressreleases.asp?artId=5A5D A solid party with a solid leader who may not need Labour to support them in the next Dail?

Yes, I'm going to vote Fine Gael.

Labour are too close to the unions for my liking (Jack O'Connor confirmed this for me yesterday, he's even put me off transferring to Labour) and FG are the only party that intend to cut the waste and rot out of our bloated public service.

The Greens are just not a strong enough option. My priority is a party that will address the economic situation. And besides, the Greens have proven they would sell their soul to get into power.

FF and Sinn Fein are a definite NO.

FG support small business and will encourage the creation of jobs (eg. halving employers PRSI). As a self employed person, they look like the best option to me.

effemall wrote: »

is there really any difference between FG and FF

Well, yes. FG are centre-right and FF are populist chancers.

ironbluedun

yes - one party government, sick of useless coalitions.

Elmo

The internet ads for FG are really annoying me. They are everywhere. :mad:

Euroland

LordSutch wrote: »

They have strong policies that will get this country moving again, see their five point plan here > http://www.finegael2011.com/pressreleases.asp?artId=5A5D A solid party with a solid leader who may not need Labour to support them in the next Dail?

You make me laugh, FG is just another group of crooks, the same as FF or Labour.

runman

Gona vote FG 1 and 2.. Hope to god they dont have to negotiate a program with labour as this may undo a lot of the good in the FG proposals.

FG with independents would be ideal for me.

Wolfe Tone

Nope,wont be voting for them, same as FF.

Elmo

runman wrote: »

Gona vote FG 1 and 2.. Hope to god they dont have to negotiate a program with labour as this may undo a lot of the good in the FG proposals.

FG with independents would be ideal for me.

FG will destroy the country running after the same policies we have seen come from 14 years of FF and the remnants of the PDs. Remember it was 5 years of Labour that turn the country around in the 1990s

runman

Elmo wrote: »

FG will destroy the country running after the same policies we have seen come from 14 years of FF and the remnants of the PDs. Remember it was 5 years of Labour that turn the country around in the 1990s

1. Not as simple as that. I think FG policies are probably closer to the PDs than FF...
Labour are too tax heavy and will never make a real go at the PS reform...The unions are the biggest problem with the PS and labour are just another friend of the unions to replace FF..
2. People wont pay the high tax(wealth tax etc) to remain here, they will just leave and if they do stay theyl move their money elsewhere..
Labours idea to postpone the adjustment passed 2014 is a mistake and their predictions on growth are unfounded. I like a lot of the labour pesonalities bar joan but i couldnt vote for them based on party policy.

Elmo

runman wrote: »

1. Not as simple as that. I think FG policies are probably closer to the PDs than FF...
Labour are too tax heavy and will never make a real go at the PS reform...The unions are the biggest problem with the PS and labour are just another friend of the unions to replace FF..
2. People wont pay the high tax(wealth tax etc) to remain here, they will just leave and if they do stay theyl move their money elsewhere..
Labours idea to postpone the adjustment passed 2014 is a mistake and their predictions on growth are unfounded. I like a lot of the labour pesonalities bar joan but i couldnt vote for them based on party policy.

1. That is one reason you would never vote for FG because their policies are even closer to the PDs.
2. That is just fear inducing clap trap. Oh the rich will leave because they have to pay tax, what about the poor? you know its is cheaper now to fly off to England then ever before. And FG will raise taxes, they will do if differently but it will cause those with less money to have even less money and with out them the rich can't sell their products.

I thought the EU agreed to push the adjustment to 2014. FG might not want to push it back but the will eventually and even futher then 2014 perhaps even on to the next government.

myrak

Elmo wrote: »

FG will destroy the country running after the same policies we have seen come from 14 years of FF and the remnants of the PDs. Remember it was 5 years of Labour that turn the country around in the 1990s

FF step out, FG step inagain,
FG out, FF step inagain
FF step out. FG step inagain...

and this time FG has the support of FF.

No thanks!

gcgirl

There down in the pecking order for the simple reason they do not support gay marriage ! Labour have a LGBT section only Irish party that does!

runman

Elmo wrote: »

1. That is one reason you would never vote for FG because their policies are even closer to the PDs.
2. That is just fear inducing clap trap. Oh the rich will leave because they have to pay tax, what about the poor? you know its is cheaper now to fly off to England then ever before. And FG will raise taxes, they will do if differently but it will cause those with less money to have even less money and with out them the rich can't sell their products.

I thought the EU agreed to push the adjustment to 2014. FG might not want to push it back but the will eventually and even futher then 2014 perhaps even on to the next government.

1. Im not worried about FG policies.
2. Yes the rich will leave because they have to pay tax if they feel its unjust and can get a better deal elsewhere. A lot of money has already left as we know.

Reducing VAT and reducing PRSI is a good idea. This will create a better environment to create jobs.
I believe increasing tax not reducing Social welfare and not cutting enuf PS jobs is a mistake.
Where in the FG policy documents did you see that FG will be taxing people with "less money".

Indestructable

Yes, though I don't like their idea of making Irish for the L.C. optional. It would virtually wipe out the language. I am in my L.C. year now and I like Irish and reckon it should be kept compulsory.

tails_naf

R28 wrote: »

After reading their policies, there are two in particular which strike me as a reason not to vote for FG.

Firstly their health policy. Forcing people to buy insurance seems like a move towards increased privatisation and americanisation of the health system.

Secondly this piece of idiocy...replacing the tv license with a 'content license'.

http://newswhip.ie/national-2/fine-gael-propose-content-tax-to-replace-tv-license

I'm absolutely against the US healthcare system, but this proposed system is not like that.

Quote:"Once UHI is introduced the unfair and inefficient two-tier health system will be eliminated. Patient will be
treated on the basis of medical need – not on the basis of how much money they have. There will be one
strong public health system, where the state guarantees the level of service and quality and competing
insurance companies are responsible for much of its administration"

Sounds alright to me...

It's modeled on the Dutch system which is hailed as the best in the world. No one has ever made a claim like that about the US system. The US system is about denying care and maximizing profits at the expense of care. I believe the Dutch system is focused on care.I would like to know a lot more details on what exactly it will mean at the end of the day.

I certainly would not vote against FG for emulating a system that is proven to work, and delivers the highest standard of care. Surely that sounds like a very good thing for any party to do?!

photoniall

Fine Gael are another puppet of big business! How will Ireland benefit from a greater roll in EU UN army missions? Only arms manufacturers gain from wars.We should stay neutral and we should examine all American flights coming in and out of Shannon Airport to prove it.

Pete_Cavan

effemall wrote: »

is there really any difference between FG and FF

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Nope,wont be voting for them, same as FF.

Can we put something in the forum charter about having to back up claims, with references and links (preferably from offical party material), that FG and FF are the same? It would be a good way of encouraging people to actually do some research before making uninformed posts.

runman

photoniall wrote: »

Fine Gael are another puppet of big business! How will Ireland benefit from a greater roll in EU UN army missions? Only arms manufacturers gain from wars.We should stay neutral and we should examine all American flights coming in and out of Shannon Airport to prove it.

Leave the americans alone they are they only ones here employing us.

namloc1980

Yes.

Labour - too close to the Unions and have no real intention of rooting out the waste in the public sector. Also a private sector pay freeze??? WTF is that all about?? Really showing their left wing intentions with that one.

Sinn Féin - haven't a clue what they are on about. The scary thing is people actually believe alot of the rubbish they are coming out with.

Fianna Fáil - scum.

Greens - finished as a political force for a long long time.

ULA - worse than Labour and the Shinners.

Independents - waste of time at a National level.

Now I don't agree with FG on everything but I do agree with them more than the others in relation to their economic and reform policies.

almighty1

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Can we put something in the forum charter about having to back up claims, with references and links (preferably from offical party material), that FG and FF are the same? It would be a good way of encouraging people to actually do some research before making uninformed posts.

Is this the first time you've been on boards? 99% of post across the whole site fit into the bracket above.

almighty1

namloc1980 wrote: »

Really showing their left wing intentions with that one.

What so bad with left wing? Is one of the core ideals of a left wing government that they will support the working class?

Tipp Man

almighty1 wrote: »

What so bad with left wing? Is one of the core ideals of a left wing government that they will support the working class?

How does wanting to implement a private sector pay freeze equate to supporting the working classes???

Tipp Man

Well FG definately have my vote - probably my only votes

Eric Cartman

Theyll get my 2nd preference

Labour - Left wing looney bin scumbags, gilmore is a socialist nut whacking himself off to visions of being stalin

Sinn Féin - left wing, scary policies, would probably start a war on NI

Fianna Fáil - will get my 1st preference as usual

Greens - lined up against a wall is the only place for them

ULA - The most rediculous shambles of a political party made up of left wing scum who have no ideas about modern society and perpetually attack the middle class

Independents - waste of a vote