the importance of genomics

stanflt

the dairy and beef industry are going to depend heavily on genomics in the coming years. proven irish bulls will be scarce on the ground

funny man

stanflt wrote: »

the dairy and beef industry are going to depend heavily on genomics in the coming years. proven irish bulls will be scarce on the ground

Why do you say that?

stanflt

funny man wrote: »

Why do you say that?

call it a hunch:)

funny man

will more of the genomic bulls currently in AI not start coming through as daughter proven this year.

stanflt

funny man wrote: »

will more of the genomic bulls currently in AI not start coming through as daughter proven this year.

a lot of them may not be available:( unfortunately

jeff greene

I agree, its a way of charging €20 for a test bull, look at the advice, use a team of genomic bulls to spread the risk yet we told there better than proven bulls. It may mean genetic gain is speeded up but I am still using bulls born in the 90s and they do as good if not better than modern genetics. As I said before only stock with known pedigree can be tested according to my ICBF, so they’re using the parents data too, not just the DNA

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

I agree, its a way of charging €20 for a test bull, look at the advice, use a team of genomic bulls to spread the risk yet we told there better than proven bulls. It may mean genetic gain is speeded up but I am still using bulls born in the 90s and they do as good if not better than modern genetics. As I said before only stock with known pedigree can be tested according to my ICBF, so they’re using the parents data too, not just the DNA

what bulls are you using

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

what bulls are you using

I have some young cows by Ocean View Zenith, Leif, Drake, Shottle, Lancalot here, my last stock stock bull was a Storm x Lee x Blackstar. Storm was born in 1991, he is a dinosaur but the heifers are smashing. You know what to expect with the oldies


I thought you were a big believer in Genomics?

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

I have some young cows by Ocean View Zenith, Leif, Drake, Shottle, Lancalot here, my last stock stock bull was a Storm x Lee x Blackstar. Storm was born in 1991, he is a dinosaur but the heifers are smashing. You know what to expect with the oldies


I thought you were a big believer in Genomics?

i am a huge believer in genomics- just heard some really bad news over the week end which is a shame for irish dairy and beef industry advancement. youll here about it in the papers this week.

with regard to the oldies-as my father would say if sunnyboy was still available....................

linebacker52

jeff greene wrote: »

I have some young cows by Ocean View Zenith, Leif, Drake, Shottle, Lancalot here, my last stock stock bull was a Storm x Lee x Blackstar. Storm was born in 1991, he is a dinosaur but the heifers are smashing. You know what to expect with the oldies


I thought you were a big believer in Genomics?

What do you mean when you say the heifers are smashing what's there ebi's I can't see how they can be better that high ebi ai bulls currently on offer

stanflt

linebacker52 wrote: »

What do you mean when you say the heifers are smashing what's there ebi's I can't see how they can be better that high ebi ai bulls currently on offer

type men dont care about ebi:)

jeff greene

linebacker52 wrote: »

What do you mean when you say the heifers are smashing what's there ebi's I can't see how they can be better that high ebi ai bulls currently on offer

EBI is only a number afterall, I have two eyes and milk meters and know the type of cow I like

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

EBI is only a number afterall, I have two eyes and milk meters and know the type of cow I like

you must have a lot of EX90+ Cows in the herd

funny man

stanflt wrote: »

type men dont care about ebi:)

That was me but i am learning the hard way!

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

you must have a lot of EX90+ Cows in the herd

Don't know, dont classify but would like to someday, Its not about that or numbers for me, I want a functional cow that can work hard for me.

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

Don't know, dont classify but would like to someday, Its not about that or numbers for me, I want a functional cow that can work hard for me.

if you use ai have a look at DXL

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

i am a huge believer in genomics- just heard some really bad news over the week end which is a shame for irish dairy and beef industry advancement. youll here about it in the papers this week.

Let me guess a large cull for a disease? IBR?

jeff greene

http://www.ncbc.ie/

IBR, all isn't lost yet

funny man

Very dissapointing to see this happen again.

stanflt

funny man wrote: »

Very dissapointing to see this happen again.

huge loss

jeff greene

Its awful that this has happened again. Sorry to see your bull included Stanflt, you must be gutted. Not wanting to sound insensitive here but of the bulls listed only GVV, NFT, GMZ have milking daughters and while they're good bulls, there not world beaters, the rest were young genomic bulls which are a dime a dozen.

Don’t get me wrong I hate to see this happen, its a blow to our AI future but not the end. Its important it doesn’t happen again

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

Its awful that this has happened again. Sorry to see your bull included Stanflt, you must be gutted. Not wanting to sound insensitive here but of the bulls listed only GVV, NFT, GMZ have milking daughters and while they're good bulls, there not world beaters, the rest were young genomic bulls which are a dime a dozen.

Don’t get me wrong I hate to see this happen, its a blow to our AI future but not the end. Its important it doesn’t happen again

progressives and munsters next cateloges will be just as good-there are fantastic bulls coming through and they are better than FLT SOK OJI GVV etc etc. they have a fantastic alliance with SEMEX. BULLS like DXL etc etc.

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

progressives and munsters next cateloges will be just as good-there are fantastic bulls coming through and they are better than FLT SOK OJI GVV etc etc. they have a fantastic alliance with SEMEX. BULLS like DXL etc etc.

Yeah I know, I deal with ABS mostly, I get on well with the sales man and he will always do a deal.



Now I’m wondering have you an interest in DXL:rolleyes:, you must like what you see? i have Gerard and McCormick calves and cant fault them, McCormick is like using sexed semen, 12 out of 16 so far.

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

Now I’m wondering have you an interest in DXL:rolleyes:, you must like what you see? .

no ive no interest in him but i think hes ideal for crossing on oman/sons- has type and great kg of fat and prot:)