Marine VHF for aviation

alexlyons

While there are different terms and what not, the basic principles of VHF (distress, regular comms etc) are the same.

For a PPL(H) license, is there any form of exemption (part or full) for someone who holds VHF radio telephony module two (DSC included) that was originally for marine use?

Cheers

SkyFest Airshow

alexlyons wrote: »

While there are different terms and what not, the basic principles of VHF (distress, regular comms etc) are the same.

For a PPL(H) license, is there any form of exemption (part or full) for someone who holds VHF radio telephony module two (DSC included) that was originally for marine use?

Cheers

One of the big differences that I get mixed up with over having both licences is the use of the words "over" & "out". In aviation you will know you don't use these words but in marine RT, every conversation either ends with an "over" (expecting a response) or "out" (end of conversation).

Another thing is the amount of times you call your station . Example in aviation RT you would say "Kerry Tower, good afternoon this is Ryanair One Two Three". However in Marine RT you call your station three times "Shannon Coast Guard Radio, Shannon Coast Guard Radio, Shannon Coast Guard Radio - this is XYZ, XYZ, XYZ, over"

Also, in regards to the Coast Guard Helicopters - e.g. Shannon (EI-GCE) Echo India Golf Charlie Echo, air traffic controllers cut down aircraft's registrations by using the first and last two letters of the aircraft - Echo Charlie Echo. In Marine RT the Coast Radio Stations use the last three letters - Golf Charlie Echo.

Hope this helps a bit - like I say the biggest problem I find is hopping into a plane and saying over at the end of calling whoever because I'm used to being in the boat also.

vulcan57

alexlyons wrote: »

While there are different terms and what not, the basic principles of VHF (distress, regular comms etc) are the same.

For a PPL(H) license, is there any form of exemption (part or full) for someone who holds VHF radio telephony module two (DSC included) that was originally for marine use?

Cheers

Now don't take this as gospel, but I doubt if there will be any exemption because you hold a marine VHF ticket, as I do, and the air band is operated on AM.

MidgetWrestler

Sorry pal there's no exemption. As part of your radio license you'll need an ICAO English Language proficiency of level 4 or higher. All pilots licence holders in Ireland were granted them automatically when they were introduced by the authorities in 2008, valid for 3 years, they all need to be renewed this march (but in reality should be renewed upon renewal of licenses). Level 4 i think is the minimum standard, 5 is better, and a level 6 never expires.
Generally, as part of your PPL training you'll get an R/T license, and this 'should' include your ELP, but if not, your IAA examiner will have been trained to issue you an ELP cert at the time of your check flight.

MidgetWrestler

SkyFest Airshow wrote: »

Also, in regards to the Coast Guard Helicopters - e.g. Shannon (EI-GCE) Echo India Golf Charlie Echo, air traffic controllers cut down aircraft's registrations by using the first and last two letters of the aircraft - Echo Charlie Echo. In Marine RT the Coast Radio Stations use the last three letters - Golf Charlie Echo.
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Using EIGCE as an example, you must use the full registration, but the controller may abbreviate it to the first, and last two letters of a european reg, or the first, last number and following letters of a US reg.

So EIGCE is abbreviated to E-CE ,whereas N119BM is abbreviated to N-9BM. It's up to the ATC to abbreviate it though, and while not strictly legal, it is not unusial to hear GCE used.

Have a google search for 'ICAO Doc 9432'

SkyFest Airshow

MidgetWrestler wrote: »

Using EIGCE as an example, you must use the full registration, but the controller may abbreviate it to the first, and last two letters of a european reg, or the first, last number and following letters of a US reg.

So EIGCE is abbreviated to E-CE ,whereas N119BM is abbreviated to N-9BM. It's up to the ATC to abbreviate it though, and while not strictly legal, it is not unusial to hear GCE used.

Have a google search for 'ICAO Doc 9432'

You're spot on, fair play. Don't think I said properly that I was talking about abbreviations, thanks for clearing it up.