Tiger and His Spitting

stockdam

It was mentioned on the Dubai Classic thread but I think this needs a thread of it's own. The guy has become a complete dick now. I don't really dislike spitting but then again there's no call for it especially on the green. Who'd want to putt through his spit?

I used to think he was a great player but now he's turning into a sad person and the sooner he hangs up his clubs the better as the sport doesn't need him anymore. He can stay in his own country and spit all he wants but he should show more respect to the people who have paid a lot of money to fund golf tournaments where the prize money is obscene; a good week for a pro golfer is 10 years wages or more for the average person.

As for him being the best golfer of all time then it depends on your definition. For me he may have the best record but best golfer.......not by a country mile.

Mister Sifter

Nice to see Sky Sports News going to lengths to highlight his spitting today too. Ewan Murray called it pretty well at the time too. I can't for the life of me understand why a golfer needs to spit in the first place, but if they really need to, take it to a bush or a part of the course that nobody else is likely to encounter. And even then, stick the golf shoe on it afterwards and stamp it into the ground.

I watch a fair bit of tennis and you never see it. And those boys are going at it hell for leather and it would perhaps be more understandable that they might need to spit.

As for Tiger, i used to be a fan, but the way he's carried himself over the past 9 months or so when things haven't been going his way has made him pretty much unlikeable. He's a pain in the arse.

Myksyk

The Essential Golf Guide to Expectoration

:DGrand: spitting in the rough, trees, etc when you're out of view
:)Tolerable: spitting on the fairway (if u have to) out of view of your playing partners
:oNot ok: spitting around the green.
:(Disgusting: spitting on the green
:mad:Completely f***ing disgusting: spitting on the green, three feet from the hole
:eek:Just TW-isted: spitting on the green, three feet from the hole in front of a few million people ... When you're supposedly the greatest living embodiment of the sport.

dvemail

Its pretty horrible alright, and the sad thing is he can just get away with it.
Anyone else remember that time Garcia spat into the cup? If there is anyplace for someone not to spit, it is in the hole.

heavyballs

stockdam wrote: »

It was mentioned on the Dubai Classic thread but I think this needs a thread of it's own. The guy has become a complete dick now. I don't really dislike spitting but then again there's no call for it especially on the green. Who'd want to putt through his spit?

I used to think he was a great player but now he's turning into a sad person and the sooner he hangs up his clubs the better as the sport doesn't need him anymore. He can stay in his own country and spit all he wants but he should show more respect to the people who have paid a lot of money to fund golf tournaments where the prize money is obscene; a good week for a pro golfer is 10 years wages or more for the average person.

As for him being the best golfer of all time then it depends on your definition. For me he may have the best record but best golfer.......not by a country mile.

ur joking right,so would he get into your top 50 even?

try telling the various sponsers in the u.s in particular that the sport doesn't need him anymore,they need him now as much as ever,name another player that puls in the punters on his own?

WHIP IT!

heavyballs wrote: »

ur joking right,so would he get into your top 50 even?

try telling the various sponsers in the u.s in particular that the sport doesn't need him anymore,they need him now as much as ever,name another player that puls in the punters on his own?

I must say I found myself wondering this week if he's really worth all the fuss anymore, as a fan, and I'm not sure he is. His on-course behaviour in recent months has been pathetic and, to be honest, I'm just not sure I'm bothered with him anymore.... Give me Miguel Angel, Quiros, Westwood, Clarke, McIlroy, Mickelson, Dustin Johnson and many more as a far more enjoyable "watch" these days...

heavyballs

WHIP IT! wrote: »

I must say I found myself wondering this week if he's really worth all the fuss anymore, as a fan, and I'm not sure he is. His on-course behaviour in recent months has been pathetic and, to be honest, I'm just not sure I'm bothered with him anymore.... Give me Miguel Angel, Quiros, Westwood, Clarke, McIlroy, Mickelson, Dustin Johnson and many more as a far more enjoyable "watch" these days...

that's your choice and in time maybe the yanks will come to the same conclusion but at the moment he is still the biggest crowd puller in world golf by a mile,that won't change for a good while yet

Myksyk

heavyballs wrote: »

name another player that puls in the punters on his own?

Hoppermcgrath

What Woods did today was vile. He is rightly getting panned for doing it and it will be interesting to see how much coverage it gets in the States.
It should be highlighted, condemned and put to him, but even with his now very flawed status I doubt that it will. The guy has overtime been deified both on and off the course and his attitude has developed accordingly.

When he had his difficulties he made all sorts of promises about reform on and off the course. I couldn't give a rats about what he does in his spare time, but on the course he clearly hasn't changed a jot, nor has any intention of doing so and feels that he doesn't have to. Before his rebirth;) he flung his driver over the heads of spectators in Australia and routinely cursed and spat and the media, especially the US media, made very little of it.

Hopefully now that he maybe no longer has the same untouchable status the sycophancy towards him might stop and he be embarrassed into behaving himself. While it may happen in Europe, you'd feel it less likely in US.

WHIP IT!

heavyballs wrote: »

that's your choice and in time maybe the yanks will come to the same conclusion but at the moment he is still the biggest crowd puller in world golf by a mile,that won't change for a good while yet

Of course, and that is kinda my point - Tiger shouldn't take his popularity and pulling power for granted. The next superstar/crowd favourite is always just around the corner.

Bruce Critchley told a story during the week about how he was watching Tiger hit balls on the range on the Wednesday, there was a crowd of about 50 kids hanging over a fence watching him, waiting on an autograph, a free ball, a wave, a head-nod - f*cking anything... but as soon as he was done, a buggy came and whisked the superstar away without so much as a glance in the kids' direction.

That's no good. Many a sportstar has paid the price for taking his fans for granted.

heavyballs

Myksyk wrote: »

i can't argue with that.......you win:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

staker

That Sky reporter won't be getting a job on the Golf Channel anytime soon-for once there's a Sky commentator who speaks the mind of the viewer.
Purely disgusting what he did,more shame him getting paid $3million appearance money.
Did Sergio get reprimanded when he spat into the cup?

ant043

Ok guys. I only saw the spit on the fairway. I must have missed the green one but have since seen it on youtube. Yeah you can't condone that sort of behaviour alright. But still feel that Golf needs a Tiger Woods back competing right at the top again.

ant043

The only thing i would say is i remember Faldo saying a few years ago when he moved to the us tour that he was astonished by the number of american guys spitting on the course. I just think it's just alot more accepted in american sports. I think it's obvious that alot of guys do it but just for obvious reasons Tiger is caught alot on camera.

f22

It's a disgusting habit, I don't care who you are or where you are, there's no place for it. If you need to clear your throat find the nearest bush or something.

What Woods did was inexcusable, back to normal for him it seems. Refusing autographs for kids, ignoring fans when he's finished and just being out and out ignorant.

goodgolfer64

yeah bad alright....still tho the guys a legend and the greatest ever tho!!!!prob expect a heavy fine possible suspension....

BrianJD

Is he just on self destruct or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ZR2fXGMVg

stockdam

heavyballs wrote: »

ur joking right,so would he get into your top 50 even?

try telling the various sponsers in the u.s in particular that the sport doesn't need him anymore,they need him now as much as ever,name another player that puls in the punters on his own?

Golf is much more of a game than records and money. You are talking about the greedy side of golf that doesn't give a jot other than the money somebody pulls in. In my opinion a golfer also has manners and etiquette and charisma.......things that are totally foreign to Woods.

f22

His appearance fee was 10 times what Quiros won. I'm sure the sponsors are well pleased with him. :rolleyes:

PhilipMarlowe

What a p****.

heavyballs

stockdam wrote: »

Golf is much more of a game than records and money. You are talking about the greedy side of golf that doesn't give a jot other than the money somebody pulls in. In my opinion a golfer also has manners and etiquette and charisma.......things that are totally foreign to Woods.

nooooo,i'm not,the best golfer in the world will be judged on his titles,then you can bring all the rest into the equation
if you take ur reasoning to snooker you'd probably say because he's a tosser Ronnie o' Sullivan isn't one of the best snooker players of all time

the comment you made regarding woods being way off the best player of all time is just wrong....admit it!

mirrorball

BrianJD wrote: »

Is he just on self destruct or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ZR2fXGMVg

That's a shocker. I normally have Sky coverage on mute rather than listen to Ewan Murray but I have to give him credit here.

Aidric

Yep, let's seperate the player from the etiquette. As a player he has dumbfouded all of us with his brilliance. With shít like that today, however, it's hard to love the bloke.

bernardo mac

Tiger regularly has a sour puss when shots go awry.Spitting's another expression of disgust and maybe, disrespect. Have seen Alex Ferguson toss his well chewed gum on the grass.Was he ever checked for that?

mr.mickels

staker wrote: »

Purely disgusting what he did,more shame him getting paid $3million appearance money.

are you serious, why on earth would they pay that sort of money for him just to turn up? what's the first prize?

stockdam

heavyballs wrote: »

the comment you made regarding woods being way off the best player of all time is just wrong....admit it!

Please read what I said again......."For me he may have the best record but best golfer......". I said he has the best record; that means that he is the best "player". However being a golfer isn't just about getting the ball into the hole in the fewest shots or winning the most money or titles.........it's also about how you conduct yourself. Etiquette and manners are also integral to being a golfer.

It's not all about taking from the game but also about giving something in return and loosing with dignity. Yes Woods has hit some remarkable shots but for me he falls way short in being the complete golfer. He's way behind Nicklaus or the late Payne Stewart.

LuckyGent88

A boy Ewen Murray, stick it to him.What Tiger did was just absolute ignorant and shows a complete disrespect towards his fellow professionals.

bustercherry

stockdam wrote: »

It was mentioned on the Dubai Classic thread but I think this needs a thread of it's own. The guy has become a complete dick now. I don't really dislike spitting but then again there's no call for it especially on the green. Who'd want to putt through his spit?

I used to think he was a great player but now he's turning into a sad person and the sooner he hangs up his clubs the better as the sport doesn't need him anymore. He can stay in his own country and spit all he wants but he should show more respect to the people who have paid a lot of money to fund golf tournaments where the prize money is obscene; a good week for a pro golfer is 10 years wages or more for the average person.

As for him being the best golfer of all time then it depends on your definition. For me he may have the best record but best golfer.......not by a country mile.

Hunter Mahan and Steve Marino are doing it on the tee boxes at Pebble Beach, you gonna start a thread for each of them too? or is it just Woods you have issues with?

Jimdagym

bustercherry wrote: »

Hunter Mahan and Steve Marino are doing it on the tee boxes at Pebble Beach, you gonna start a thread for each of them too? or is it just Woods you have issues with?

Welcome to the forum mr woods

tang1

Have no issue with a man spitting on the course at all, but on the greens is a bit much with people coming behind you.

Sandwlch

stockdam wrote: »

However being a golfer isn't just about getting the ball into the hole in the fewest shots or winning the most money or titles.........it's also about how you conduct yourself. Etiquette and manners are also integral to being a golfer.

I think you are making your own value judgement to extend the definition of 'golfer' too far here Stockdam. Best 'Golfer' does mean who hits the best shots and wins the most tournaments. Tiger is almost that (time to tell whether he pips Jack wouldout debate). But to take his behaviour, personal conduct etc into the reckoning is a step too far. Someone else might extend that to include his morals and state that a great golfer would never cheat on his wife so tiger is a bad golfer.

Not that I disagree with you about him. His behaviour is becoming increasingly repulsive. I am a big fan of Tiger the golfer (he has played the best golf ever played), but no longer a fan of Tiger the man. But the two are distinct.

ghostdancer

he's been an utter prick for the last 4 years, regardless of his "extracurricular activities".

spitting, throwing clubs, shouting obscenities, ignoring fans....horrible player.

CaptainPendulum

Horrible incident, but not surprised. A 2 shot penalty would stamp out that issue overnight.

Spazzy Magee

I'm with you on that Captain Pendulum. A two shot penalty would hurt a lot to a player in the hunt for a title. It looks like he will be fined but what's the point in issuing him or any pro with a fine that would equate to about €2 for the rest of us? I've always been a Tiger fan but over the last few years it has become more and more evident that he is a very arrogant and selfish man. I don't give a crap about his private life but on the course and in public he should know better by now than to behave the way he does. Someone needs to sit him down and get it through to him what's on and what's not...maybe Chuck Norris?

Jaysoose

bustercherry wrote: »

Hunter Mahan and Steve Marino are doing it on the tee boxes at Pebble Beach, you gonna start a thread for each of them too? or is it just Woods you have issues with?

Valid point.

Jaysoose

stockdam wrote: »

Please read what I said again......."For me he may have the best record but best golfer......". I said he has the best record; that means that he is the best "player". However being a golfer isn't just about getting the ball into the hole in the fewest shots or winning the most money or titles.........it's also about how you conduct yourself. Etiquette and manners are also integral to being a golfer.

It's not all about taking from the game but also about giving something in return and loosing with dignity. Yes Woods has hit some remarkable shots but for me he falls way short in being the complete golfer. He's way behind Nicklaus or the late Payne Stewart.

What a load of rubbish, golf is a sport its not about who has the best manners.

Tiger woods is the best golfer of all time, because you dislike the mans demeanour over the last few years doesnt change this. The late Payne stewart isnt even in the top twenty of all time golfers so getting all misty eyed does nothing for your argument.

Im not defending woods here as he is no doubt out of line but some of the posts on here are ridiculous

twounderpar

Pretty disgusting by Tiger but I wonder was Ewan Murray right when he said the guy following him might have to putt over it.Surely he would be allowed to move his ball the same as you are if another hole on the green that has not been filled in is in your line.

Helium

Thing is he's not the only one at it . Premiership footballers
are worse and I think that's why there's so much slipping on pitch,the dirty sods.
Not really a great example for any sportsman to be setting
the young 'uns.
Like some old fellas say "nothing a good kick in the hole wouldn't sort out"

AGC

Helium wrote: »

Thing is he's not the only one at it . Premiership footballers
are worse and I think that's why there's so much slipping on pitch,the dirty sods.
Not really a great example for any sportsman to be setting
the young 'uns.
Like some old fellas say "nothing a good kick in the hole wouldn't sort out"

:D:D

LostPassword

Helium wrote: »

Premiership footballers
are worse and I think that's why there's so much slipping on pitch,the dirty sods.

:eek::eek::eek:

You're joking right? I'd say that living in a rainy part of the world is a smidgeon of a bigger factor - if all 22 on the pitch did nothing but spit for 90 minutes it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to the amount of moisture on the pitch.

And it really is often impossible not to spit / clear your nose when playing an aerobically demanding game like football or rugby if you have any phlegm in your system. There's nothing dirty about it at all - it's as much a basic factor of human bodily functioning as farting is.

On the other hand, I can't think of any reason for spitting while playing golf - it's just inexplicable to me, similar to spitting while walking down the street.

jaykay74

twounderpar wrote: »

Pretty disgusting by Tiger but I wonder was Ewan Murray right when he said the guy following him might have to putt over it.Surely he would be allowed to move his ball the same as you are if another hole on the green that has not been filled in is in your line.

Lateral drop from a water hazard maybe

Helium

LostPassword wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

You're joking right? I'd say that living in a rainy part of the world is a smidgeon of a bigger factor - if all 22 on the pitch did nothing but spit for 90 minutes it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to the amount of moisture on the pitch.

And it really is often impossible not to spit / clear your nose when playing an aerobically demanding game like football or rugby if you have any phlegm in your system. There's nothing dirty about it at all - it's as much a basic factor of human bodily functioning as farting is.

On the other hand, I can't think of any reason for spitting while playing golf - it's just inexplicable to me, similar to spitting while walking down the street.

Got it in one there sunshine, I was of course joking, or is that not allowed in this miserable society we now live in

IITYWYBMAD

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/9397212.stm

AGC

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/9397212.stm

Only reason it is being highlighted is because of the commentators reaction.

Tiger is the most fined player in golf

LostPassword

Helium wrote: »

Got it in one there sunshine, I was of course joking, or is that not allowed in this miserable society we now live in

Okay - that's me relieved - joking is always hard to spot on the Golf forum though - bizzare opinions seem commonplace here.

PhilipMarlowe

Two options on the green... relief à la casual water or else remove (yuck!)à la loose impediment...

IITYWYBMAD

AGC wrote: »

Only reason it is being highlighted is because of the commentators reaction.

Tiger is the most fined player in golf

I doubt that, in relation to his spitting that is. It's been well publicized that both the PGA Tour and European Tour are far from happy with his on-course antics, and spitting being one of his foibles.

Apart from the absolute disgusting nature of the habit, the impression it gives to those starting out in the game is so wrong. I think he is/was a fantastic golfer, probably the best the world has ever seen. However, at this stage, I could honestly say that if I never saw him hit a ball again, I could not care less. He's paid an astronomical amount of money, for hitting a ball around the most manicured pieces on greenery on the planet. He has no financial worries and he could happily retire from the game, and hurl abuse at as many prossies as he wishes. If golf makes him that unhappy, he should just do that. The spectators and those who adore him, should not have to put up with his childish hissy fits anymore imo.

AGC

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

I doubt that, in relation to his spitting that is. It's been well publicized that both the PGA Tour and European Tour are far from happy with his on-course antics, and spitting being one of his foibles.

Apart from the absolute disgusting nature of the habit, the impression it gives to those starting out in the game is so wrong. I think he is/was a fantastic golfer, probably the best the world has ever seen. However, at this stage, I could honestly say that if I never saw him hit a ball again, I could not care less. He's paid an astronomical amount of money, for hitting a ball around the most manicured pieces on greenery on the planet. He has no financial worries and he could happily retire from the game, and hurl abuse at as many prossies as he wishes. If golf makes him that unhappy, he should just do that. The spectators and those who adore him, should not have to put up with his childish hissy fits anymore imo.

I am not defending him and don't disagree with Ewen Murray slating him, he deserevd it. All I am saying is he IS fined regularly for spitting and for language, throwing clubs etc...

JonathanAnon

ghostdancer wrote: »

spitting, throwing clubs, shouting obscenities, ignoring fans....horrible player.

I think that about covers it.. Nobody can doubt his talent, but he must be the worst role model of on-course behaviour...

dvemail

Had to laugh yesterday when after his round they showed him walking around the place with his entourage of about 6 or so people. Managed to sign an autograph on the walk before being whisked off.

Himself and Mickelson have to be the polar opposites of eachother in term of on course behaviour and interaction with fans. Anybody ever seen Mickelson spit on the course?

The_Kew_Tour

Just said this on his twitter page,

TigerWoods Tiger Woods



The Euro Tour is right – it was inconsiderate to spit like that and I know better. Just wasn’t thinking and want to say I’m sorry.