which vien - does it matter?

whelan1

had a cow go down this morning - she was very lame last backend so i dried her off and mollycoddled her all winter- she calved 2 weeks ago and her feet are fine. Ileft the calf on her and she is in a straw bedded shed.This morning she was flat out...i think she got herself stuck during the night more so than anything else. I straightened her up and as her milk vein was covered in crap , i tried to get her neck vein , with a twine around her neck... ended up giving her 2 bottles in the vein in her tail , does it make any difference where they get the bottle ?

blue5000

I dont think it matters tbh, never heard of the tail being used though. Hope she comes round ok.

Shauny2010

I dont get it
what was wrong with the cow whelan?

whelan1

she is down....

funny man

Never tried the tail before but always put one under the skin as well as the vein.

babybrian

cant think why it wouldnt be the same really, isnt all going to fly around the body in a few seconds anyway.. Do any of ye use a calcium drench after using the injection aswel?

irishh_bob

Shauny2010 wrote: »

I dont get it
what was wrong with the cow whelan?

presumabley milk fever although im confused as the cow is calved two weeks

whelan1

i am confused too , but i gave her the calcium to cover her. On a side note how do you spell vien- i always said i before e except after c ... but it doesnt look right here

funny man

whelan1 wrote: »

i am confused too , but i gave her the calcium to cover her. On a side note how do you spell vien- i always said i before e except after c ... but it doesnt look right here

It could be sub-clinical milk fever and then again she could have just got herself in an arkward spot, either way the calcium will help perk her up. vein looks right!

pakalasa

whelan1 wrote: »

On a side note how do you spell vien- i always said i before e except after c ... but it doesnt look right here

Vein - must be an exception, to 'i before e'.
It is alright;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_before_E_except_after_C

theroad

I think the vets use the jugular because it's quicker in an emergency for getting the stuff around the body - big vein, lots of blood to move it. It's also better entertainment value for the punters - makes it look like there's real veterinary work going on that might be worth the cost of the callout .

However, it makes very little difference in terms of how quickly the Ca gets into her system, whether it's given into a vein or under the skin, which makes sense because the blister goes down fairly quickly.

whelan1

an update , gave her 2 more bottles one iv , she seems top have hurt her neck , so not a milk fever problem , copped that on after i gave her the second bottkles , will see what she is like amarach

LostCovey

theroad wrote: »

I think the vets use the jugular because it's quicker in an emergency for getting the stuff around the body - big vein, lots of blood to move it. It's also better entertainment value for the punters - makes it look like there's real veterinary work going on that might be worth the cost of the callout .

However, it makes very little difference in terms of how quickly the Ca gets into her system, whether it's given into a vein or under the skin, which makes sense because the blister goes down fairly quickly.

For your information theroad, the reason vets bleed from the tail but do not normally inject large volumes there is that there is a vein and an artery side by side tin the coccygeal groove. If you are bleeding, it doesn't make much difference whether you get arterial or venous blood (watch your vet bleeding cattle from the tail - an odd one will produce bright red blood from the artery).

However if you are trying to get a large volume into circulation quickly, you need to be sure of a vein, hence the jugular. The milk vein is also a vein (the name is a real giveaway), but because of its position, it is prone to bleeding afterwards under the skin, or externally, and as whelan1 found, often very sh1tty.

But if you want to retain your personal fantasy of a vet as some sort of agricultural Paul Daniels, then dream on.

LostCovey

whelan1

R.I.P cow

kay 9

Sorry to hear that whelan. You found out what it was? Usually improvement can be seen within the hour if calcium was the prob.

pajero12

LostCovey wrote: »

(watch your vet bleeding cattle from the tail - an odd one will produce bright red blood from the artery).

LostCovey

Is this because the blood is oxygenated? Are you a vet yourself LC?

whelan1

she seems to have gotten a head/neck injury , she could only move her neck a small bit , we lifted her a load of times, but she seemed in pain , so we put her out of her misery

LostCovey

pajero12 wrote: »

Is this because the blood is oxygenated? Are you a vet yourself LC?

Naw, I wish, just a googlevet/keyboard warrior unfortunately

LC

kay 9

whelan1 wrote: »

she seems to have gotten a head/neck injury , she could only move her neck a small bit , we lifted her a load of times, but she seemed in pain , so we put her out of her misery

Meningitis maybe?

whelan1

no . i think she banged her head on the concrete wall

kay 9

I see whelan. Remionds me of our cows around a round feeder and they are a bitch of thing imo for cattle pucking one another etc. Especially cattle heavy in calf and there is always one that beats her way around to every hole in the feeder..