We need to anchor our moon.

tonysea

Our moon is slowly getting further away at roughly the same speed at which our fingernails grow. The moon is extremely important to life on earth as its gravitational pull gives us our tides, seasons and day and night.
Without the pull of the moon the earth will gradually stop spinning the way it does and begin to spin erraticaly. This would effectively end life on earth. The solution is this, we need to anchor it. Id love to hear your thoughts on this....

Yakult

It is expected that in 15 billion years, the orbit will stabilize at 1.6 times its present size, and the Earth day will be 55 days long equal to the time it will take the Moon to orbit the Earth. Of course, in less than 7 billion years, the Sun will have evolved into a red giant star and engulfed the Earth-Moon system, thereby incinerating it!

No point anchoring it :pac:

wildefalcon

I suppose you could use something that doesn't melt. I'd not use nylon or that class of rope either - it would stretch.

Maybe a steel rope?

And it would be fierce handy if there were hand holds on it - save the hassle of using a rocket to get to the moon.

So I'd suggest a steel ladder, so I would.

justforgroups

I'd suggest firing a harpoon attached to a rope at the moon. The harpoon will stick right into the crust no problem. The other end would be tied into a large, immovable object, like Ian Paisley. The Spire probably wouldn't be a good anchor point as the rope would slide up and slip off.

Even better, if there was some kind of ratchet system attached to the anchor point, we could actually reel the moon in closer, or let it loose whenever we wanted.

This could be a good money spinner. Remember the scene from Bruce Almighty where Carey pulls the moon in closer to make it more romantic? Pretty sure people would pay big bucks for that, and hike the prices up at Valentine's day and all.

*patent pending* so don't think of stealing this idea.

Einstein

tonysea wrote: »

Our moon is slowly getting further away at roughly the same speed at which our fingernails grow. The moon is extremely important to life on earth as its gravitational pull gives us our tides, seasons and day and night.
Without the pull of the moon the earth will gradually stop spinning the way it does and begin to spin erraticaly. This would effectively end life on earth. The solution is this, we need to anchor it. Id love to hear your thoughts on this....

Is your name Michael Bay?

Weeeeeelll?? Is it?!

clln

tonysea wrote: »

and day and night.

and god created the two great lights,the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night

Without the pull of the moon the earth will gradually stop spinning the way it does and begin to spin erraticaly.

No it will not! tides, turtle egg laying,the female cycle, LUNacy are all affected by the moon,but it is our sun that keeps earth locked into its orbit and steady as she goes.
a total solar eclipse can only happen because the Moon is exactly the right size and distance from Earth to appear to cover the sun,this will eventually stop as the moon gets more distant from the earth,but don't hold your breath for that to happen soon.

This would effectively end life on earth. The solution is this, we need to anchor it. Id love to hear your thoughts on this....

my thoughts on this are we should anchor it to Trollers as there are so many of them about and since you only post once a year it would be safe in your hands for sure............ you must be one of said turtles who live for many many years!

clln

justforgroups wrote: »

*patent pending* so don't think of stealing this idea.

:D:D

wildefalcon

Here, now! - he's been on the boards since 2008, Mr J C Lately!

That's LESS THAN 1 post per year.

And it's a very important issue, we have to take a long term approach to this, afterall, it IS a recession, infrastructure projects should be cheaper.

slade_x

tonysea wrote: »

The moon is extremely important to life on earth as its gravitational pull gives us our tides, seasons and day and night.

The seasons are a consequence of the angle and orbit of the earth around the sun, which also gives our day and night cycle.

tonysea wrote: »

Without the pull of the moon the earth will gradually stop spinning the way it does and begin to spin erraticaly. This would effectively end life on earth. The solution is this, we need to anchor it. Id love to hear your thoughts on this....

The earth wouldnt stop spinning on its axis without the presence of the moon. If anything the moon is slowing earths rotation down.

Rubecula

T anchor the moon I would suggest using spider silk and super glue, Of course you would almost certainly have to stick it to exposed rock as it would just become a blob if you tried to glue the dust.

The other alternative is to build a new moon out of recycled drinks cans (flattened though so they dont crumple under stress) we could do this as we have billions of years to drink all that stuff.:pac:

Seriously, by the time the moon leaves us we wont be here to worry about it.

tonysea

clln wrote: »

and god created the two great lights,the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night



No it will not! tides, turtle egg laying,the female cycle, LUNacy are all affected by the moon,but it is our sun that keeps earth locked into its orbit and steady as she goes.
a total solar eclipse can only happen because the Moon is exactly the right size and distance from Earth to appear to cover the sun,this will eventually stop as the moon gets more distant from the earth,but don't hold your breath for that to happen soon.



my thoughts on this are we should anchor it to Trollers as there are so many of them about and since you only post once a year it would be safe in your hands for sure............ you must be one of said turtles who live for many many years!

Trollers I am guessing must be people who troll? which is the practice of fishing with a lure from the back of a moving boat. I do enjoy fishing but this is neither the time, place or indeed right thread for that kind of thing. And you are wrong about the moon. It is the moon's gravitational pull that spins the earth and keeps it steady on its axis...mate

clln

tonysea wrote: »

Trollers I am guessing must be people who troll? which is the practice of fishing with a lure from the back of a moving boat. I do enjoy fishing but this is neither the time, place or indeed right thread for that kind of thing. And you are wrong about the moon. It is the moon's gravitational pull that spins the earth and keeps it steady on its axis...mate

You guessed right Trollers are people who troll, but in internet speak it has nothing to do with the noble fishermen of reality!.
on the net it means people who cast their nets to catch others on a website.

it is you who was partially wrong about the moon on your first post here........... mate.
glad to see you breaking your record of less than one post a year though!

tonysea

Rubecula wrote: »

T anchor the moon I would suggest using spider silk and super glue, Of course you would almost certainly have to stick it to exposed rock as it would just become a blob if you tried to glue the dust.

The other alternative is to build a new moon out of recycled drinks cans (flattened though so they dont crumple under stress) we could do this as we have billions of years to drink all that stuff.:pac:

Seriously, by the time the moon leaves us we wont be here to worry about it.

We must ensure the survival of our race. your ideas are ok, but I seriously doubt spider silk would suffice and then you'd have to explain the whole moon situation to the spiders involved they're not just gonna volunteer, they'd probably see it as a waste of time.

My idea is not to anchor it as such but picture this....Construct a monorail type thing that runs completely around the earth (around the equator would be best as the people who live around the equator probably wont object much and would be good cheap labour) now the anchor point on this monorail will work like a massive ball bearing assembly allowing the earth and moon to spin independently of eachother. We'd also need the same thing on the moon. For the rope we would use a steel cable (well greased to prevent weathering) but as soon as it leaves the earths atmosphere we could just use some orange washing line rope because that wont be affected by weathering in the vacuum of space.

tonysea

clln wrote: »

You guessed right Trollers are people who troll, but in internet speak it has nothing to do with the noble fishermen of reality!.
on the net it means people who cast their nets to catch others on a website.

it is you who was partially wrong about the moon on your first post here........... mate.
glad to see you breaking your record of less than one post a year though!

Well I dont really have a lot say very often so I excercise my right not to post. But I see you have over 100 posts since joining just this year! well done you. Could be a record breaker yourself

BULLER

tonysea wrote: »

We must ensure the survival of our race. your ideas are ok, but I seriously doubt spider silk would suffice and then you'd have to explain the whole moon situation to the spiders involved they're not just gonna volunteer, they'd probably see it as a waste of time.

My idea is not to anchor it as such but picture this....Construct a monorail type thing that runs completely around the earth (around the equator would be best as the people who live around the equator probably wont object much and would be good cheap labour) now the anchor point on this monorail will work like a massive ball bearing assembly allowing the earth and moon to spin independently of eachother. We'd also need the same thing on the moon. For the rope we would use a steel cable (well greased to prevent weathering) but as soon as it leaves the earths atmosphere we could just use some orange washing line rope because that wont be affected by weathering in the vacuum of space.

Bahahaha! The man has a point. We'll need the strongest man on the planet to throw it far enough round the moon though... any suggestions?

tonysea

Einstein wrote: »

Is your name Michael Bay?

Weeeeeelll?? Is it?!

Swoosh! thats the sound of the post going over my head. Who's Michael Bay?

clln

tonysea wrote: »

Well I dont really have a lot say

how very true!

tonysea

clln wrote: »

how very true!

You've got a lot of hostility towards me:(

tonysea

slade_x wrote: »

The seasons are a consequence of the angle and orbit of the earth around the sun, which also gives our day and night cycle.



The earth wouldnt stop spinning on its axis without the presence of the moon. If anything the moon is slowing earths rotation down.

Its the moon that keeps the earth steady on its axis and spinning FACT.
Without it the earth would behave much like Mars does and would become a desolate wasteland like Mars is.

tonysea

wildefalcon wrote: »

Here, now! - he's been on the boards since 2008, Mr J C Lately!

That's LESS THAN 1 post per year.

And it's a very important issue, we have to take a long term approach to this, afterall, it IS a recession, infrastructure projects should be cheaper.

9 posts now, thats 3 a year

clln

tonysea wrote: »

You've got a lot of hostility towards me:(

Not true at all, but i reserve judgement until you prove that this was not meant as a troll by posting more often and on other topics on the A&S forum!

tonysea

clln wrote: »

Not true at all, but i reserve judgement until you prove that this was not meant as a troll by posting more often and on other topics on the A&S forum!

to tell you the truth mate, obviously the idea of anchoring the moon is ridiculous. Hadnt a clue what trolling was until you informed me, but the reason for starting the thread was just for a bit of banter not trying to lure some unsuspecting idiot into a web of humiliation. And since joining boards in 08 I completely forgot I even had an account set up until I tried to join the other day and discovered my username was already in use (by me). So thats were the lack of posts comes from.

clln

tonysea wrote: »

to tell you the truth mate, obviously the idea of anchoring the moon is ridiculous. Hadnt a clue what trolling was until you informed me, but the reason for starting the thread was just for a bit of banter not trying to lure some unsuspecting idiot into a web of humiliation. And since joining boards in 08 I completely forgot I even had an account set up until I tried to join the other day and discovered my username was already in use (by me). So thats were the lack of posts comes from.

How really gracious of you tonysea,now that you are sorted about your account hopefully you will post more often?
banter is what it is all about,after all the motto is 'now yer talkin':)

i have noticed when somebody is not perceived as taking the pee on A&S and is genuine, the quality and intelligence of answers cannot be beaten on the web.

all the best!:)

Calibos

The question isn't what 'we' will do to prevent this happening its what will the sentient bi-pedal humanoid creatures from the genus L.Casei.Immunitas that evolved from my gut bacteria do??

First Single Celled life to Human - 3.5 Billion Years
Time till the Sun incinerates the earth - 5 Billion Years

slade_x

tonysea wrote: »

Its the moon that keeps the earth steady on its axis and spinning FACT.
Without it the earth would behave much like Mars does and would become a desolate wasteland like Mars is.

No the moons does not keep the earth spinning, fact. the earth spins due to its initial angular momentum

Mars is a desolate wasteland for a number of reasons not because it just doesnt have a large moon like ours, its orbital rotation and tilt are very similar to earths, it does perturbate more, speaking of which the moons motions are erratic at best primarily given to solar gravitational interactions and of course the other planets. in contrast triton has a practically perfect orbit

Cú Giobach

Though the moon does't keep the earth spinning and is slowing it down due to tidal friction, it does keep it steady regarding its tilt. I'm sure most of the space buffs here know this and am surprised nobody has agreed with the OP on this point .
If the moon were not there then the tilt would vary erratically (just like Mars) and because life would be unable to deal with the huge variation in climate this would cause, then the Earth would indeed be a desolate wasteland.

tonysea

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Though the moon does't keep the earth spinning and is slowing it down due to tidal friction, it does keep it steady regarding its tilt. I'm sure most of the space buffs here know this and am surprised nobody has agreed with the OP on this point .
If the moon were not there then the tilt would vary erratically (just like Mars) and because life would be unable to deal with the huge variation in climate this would cause, then the Earth would indeed be a desolate wasteland.

FINALLY! I thought I was on my own here. Thanks for posting

tallaghtmick

no deal mcutcheon that moon money is mine......that is all

clln

tonysea i hate you for making me revisit my notions about the Moon!:)

Two interesting articles here that everybody can find some comfort from to their points!

http://www.astrobio.net/index.php?option=com_retrospection&task=detail&id=2507

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_would_Earth_be_like_without_a_moon

tonysea

Here something else we can do (we might as well if we're gonna anchor it;))

http://gizmodo.com/#!5552774/lets-cover-the-moon-in-solar-panels

It will make the moon look like a massive striped pool ball...cool:cool:

But seriously, I was watching this American guy the other night and he reckons we could meet global energy demands by doing this. The cost he reckons would be the same as what is spent every two years extracting oil and gas from the Earth.

(hard to believe he was american, a texan too I might add:))

clln

From the article and it must qualify as the biggest understatement since the estimated cost of bailing out Anglo!:pac:

Japanese firm Shimizu is calling their lunar solar power generation concept the Luna Ring and it's brilliantly ambitious

BTW how dare you criticise Texas?home of JSC!

Oh and Dubya as well,ah that explains it!;)

slade_x

Cú Giobach wrote: »

. I'm sure most of the space buffs here know this and am surprised nobody has agreed with the OP on this point .

slade_x wrote: »

its orbital rotation and tilt are very similar to earths, it does perturbate more

the reason i think it seems as if theres a disagreement is the way the first post was written. let me reiterate to avoid confusion which i think my previous post should have done. i am not in all out disagreement with every point

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didnt make sense to me

tonysea wrote: »

Our moon is slowly getting further away at roughly the same speed at which our fingernails grow. The moon (possibly was more important in the past than now) is extremely important to life on earth as its gravitational pull gives us our tides (the most prominent and frequent yes), seasons (to put it simply we would have seasons as does mars, the length of some however are variable, we dont need a moon for seasons just an axial tilt in our orbit) and day and night.

and also the additional reply to my post

tonysea wrote: »

Its the moon that keeps the earth steady on its axis and spinning FACT.
Without it the earth would behave much like Mars does and would become a desolate wasteland like Mars is.

As i said mars is a desolate wasteland for a number of reasons. too many to simply state that its from lack of a satellite similiar to our own. Not to mention that all life would just stop existing because it dissapears. No one can truly know the adverse affects of losing our moon at this stage or how life might adapt after already taking a strong hold on this planet (obviously which is definitely a different scenario to have never had one in the first place, we may not be here otherwise)

Cú Giobach

slade_x wrote: »

the reason i think it seems as if theres a disagreement is the way the first post was written. let me reiterate to avoid confusion which i think my previous post should have done. i am not in all out disagreement with every point

OK.
But really the only incorrect assumption he made was that the moon caused and keeps the Earth spinning when if fact it only has an effect on the speed of the rotation.
He never said the lack of a moon caused Mars's condition only that without the moon the Earth would end up desolate like Mars.

I agree with the point about life (at least complex life) not being to survive on a planet with a widely varying axial tilt.
As far as I know (and I would welcome correction here) we haven't found life that can survive and reproduce with severe cold and heat, extreme cold yes, extreme heat yes, but both no.
Evolution wouldn't have time to produce anything complex before the climate would change dramatically and wipe the slate clean over and over.
The planet could well end up like Mars the Atacama Desert or the interior of Antarctica and only bacterial life deep in the crust.

Brenireland

Giant steps are what you take
walking on the moon
I hope my legs don't break
walking on the moon
we could walk forever
walking on the moon
we could live together
walking on, walking on the moon

Walking back from you house
walking on the moon
walking back from you house
walking on the moon
feet they hardly touch the ground
walking on the moon
my feet don't hardly make no sound
walking on, walking on the moon

Some may say
I'm wishing my days away
no way
and if it's the price I pay
some say
tomorrow's another day
to stay
I may as well play

Giant steps are what you take
walking on the moon
I hope my legs don't break
walking on the moon
we could walk forever
walking on the moon
we could live together
walking on, walking on the moon

Some may say
I'm wishing my days away
no way
and if it's the price I pay
some say
tomorrow's another day
to stay
I may as well play

Keep it up, keep it up

Rubecula

Cú Giobach wrote: »

OK.

As far as I know (and I would welcome correction here) we haven't found life that can survive and reproduce with severe cold and heat, extreme cold yes, extreme heat yes, but both no.

Not in a way of correction, as you, I believe are right, but bacteria was on a moon lander (possibly from someone sneezing on it while it was being built) When (I think Apollo 17) visited the lander they discovered that the bacteria was still alive. That was despite the hot and cold endured on the surface of the moon for some years. I have no idea if it reproduced at all though, so I can not in all honesty give you the correction you asked for. But that is the nearest I can come to it.

Cú Giobach

Rubecula wrote: »

Not in a way of correction, as you, I believe are right, but bacteria was on a moon lander (possibly from someone sneezing on it while it was being built) When (I think Apollo 17) visited the lander they discovered that the bacteria was still alive. That was despite the hot and cold endured on the surface of the moon for some years. I have no idea if it reproduced at all though, so I can not in all honesty give you the correction you asked for. But that is the nearest I can come to it.

That was a brilliant accidental discovery.
They were in a state of what could be called "suspended animation" bacteria routinely do this to survive through harsh climatic conditions. Some bacteria can exist for enormous lengths of time like that but they don't do much except wait for things to change.

clln

Now that everybody is debating until all the known facts are clear, just for the record it was apollo 12 that landed beside surveyor 3,which was an unmanned probe launched years earlier, that is were they found bacteria from Earth still thriving.
seeing the lunar module in the background sends shivers up my spine,look what they achieved touching down so close to the craft,magnificent glory days!

Rubecula

Yes Apollo 12, sorry about that but i was just going by memory not written down facts.

My appologies for any inconvenience caused by my mental failures:pac:

clln

Rubecula wrote: »

Yes Apollo 12, sorry about that but i was just going by memory not written down facts.

My appologies for any inconvenience caused by my mental failures:pac:

:D:D

Bruthal

tonysea wrote: »

Our moon is slowly getting further away at roughly the same speed at which our fingernails grow. The moon is extremely important to life on earth as its gravitational pull gives us our tides, seasons and day and night.
Without the pull of the moon the earth will gradually stop spinning the way it does and begin to spin erraticaly. This would effectively end life on earth. The solution is this, we need to anchor it. Id love to hear your thoughts on this....

The sun will eventually burn out too, what then? Release the anchored moon?

tonysea

robbie7730 wrote: »

The sun will eventually burn out too, what then? Release the anchored moon?

Yep, all aboard and cut her loose.

Last one to leave, remember to turn off the lights...