Deja vu - Labour - restricted breeds

EGAR

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=138795039517529&id=169411475888

And what followed the above is the below:

http://joecostellotd.blogspot.com/2007/01/dangerous-dogs-statement-sparks-debate.html


Same old sh*te, same old party, different election year.. If you own a restricted breed vote with your feet.

Just a reminder of what happened in 2007, lest we forget .

DBCyc

This fool is our local TD. I am looking forward to him calling to my door. I might just invite him in to witness how well our staff and 5 month old daughter get along together.

antomagoo

Is still there stance on things?

If so they have lost my vote, although not sure they had it to begin with. I've emailed Liz McManus to ask for some clarification on this, but dont expect a reply :rolleyes:

EGAR

Yep, several of my friends, volunteers and supporters have emailed and not gotten a reply.

portgirl123

****, they were around my house this morning

andreac

Maybe i should be ready and armed to question them about this if they call to mine. What exactly should i be asking? Im useless when it comes to politics so wouldnt know where to start:o
They could come in and my 2 restricted breeds could keep them company. All 78kg of them:D

antomagoo

andreac wrote: »

Maybe i should be ready and armed to question them about this if they call to mine. What exactly should i be asking? Im useless when it comes to politics so wouldnt know where to start:o
They could come in and my 2 restricted breeds could keep them company. All 78kg of them:D

Good point, EGAR would you have anything in the way of a standard argument that you put to these people? I'd have a pretty good idea about what I'd say to them, but might miss out some essential points

EGAR

I'll draw up a list this evening, got to run to collect a walking mop from the vet sans family jewels .



SOME pit bull that is - I am sure Labour will agree seeing that their canvassers in 2007 thought my rednose Bogey was a choc Lab pup :rolleyes:

pugsnotdrugs

I'll definitely raise this with him when he calls to our door. I will also be asking him why Labour voted against the stag hunting ban last year.

Discodog

What a joke especially when the UK are considering dropping BSL.

CL32

Discodog wrote: »

What a joke especially when the UK are considering dropping BSL.

Exactly..

I pointed this out in a comment on his site and told him to go get a job with The Sun.

EGAR

Ask if they have an animal welfare policy (which they don't).

Ask what their stance is on restricted breeds and if they act innocent ask them about their pre-election proposal from 2007:

Ms Upton on restricted breeds
http://www.labour.ie/press/listing/116774140890584.html

Joe Costello:
http://joecostellotd.blogspot.com/2007/01/dangerous-dogs-statement-sparks-debate.html

Print it out and wave it under their noses if they proclaim they have no proposals. Both statements are still up and running on their website. So yes, they are still supporting that idiotic proposal.

One of my volunteers was told at her door that it was *a very small reason not to vote for the fantastic party that is Labour* when she pointed out that she wouldn't be voting for a party that supported carted staghunting and wanted a ban on restricted breeds.

EGAR

And for those who'd like to see Costello in action re the proposal:

Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAxS67pKfc&feature=related

Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fddUquDXIjo&feature=related

Shanao

Cant wait to introduce the canvassers to my two. Oh I'll introduce them, let them pet them, then inform them that the adorable little animals they are petting are the animals they're trying to ban. At which point, I will promptly tell them to **** off.

EGAR

Several people including myself have asked on FB but no answer:

http://www.facebook.com/thelabourparty?v=wall

antomagoo

I've emailed several & sent messages on twitter, no replys yet, big suprise.

People can post questions here for a digital debate
http://www.youtube.com/irishelection

EGAR

Pity I am on dial up.

EGAR

My polite questions were deleted off the Labour wall. Now, why am I not surprised and I guess no answer is an answer too!

antomagoo

posted up there myself, lets see if that gets deleted too

joyce2009

yeah i posted too if only to annoy them it would be worth it..:D

antomagoo

joyce2009 wrote: »

yeah i posted too if only to annoy them it would be worth it..:D

you prob wont get a response joyce, they just seem to be blankly refusing to state their position on this

EDIT: I think they've just deleted your post

joyce2009

antomagoo wrote: »

you prob wont get a response joyce, they just seem to be blankly refusing to state their position on this

EDIT: I think they've just deleted your post

god they were quick off the mark,,,oh well i guess i have to wait for my local tool to call to my door and ill do it all over again:D

DBCyc

I had a look at the Facebook page last night and saw that comments in relation to this were either ignored or just deleted. This is pretty pathetic stuff as they are actively engaging with Facebook users on other topics.

In overall terms, while it may seem a very minor issue going into this election, they should at least engage with people on it.

joyce2009

i had asked why my post was deleated but guess what,,,,your right,,, that was deleated too...how original..:rolleyes:

koneko

I'm going to spread the word around. I know a few people that might be thinking about voting Labour that also have RB list dogs, and probably don't know about this.

Thanks EGAR

antomagoo

koneko wrote: »

I'm going to spread the word around. I know a few people that might be thinking about voting Labour that also have RB list dogs, and probably don't know about this.

Thanks EGAR

you should get them to ask the question here http://www.facebook.com/thelabourparty

Chris_Heilong

I would fear if they ever got into power they would simply delete indivduals opinions, was going to vote Labour but have now changed my mind thanks to EGAR appearing on the show, I would have liked to meet you if I knew you where heading into my place of work that day.

Who am I going to vote for now??

Tranceypoo

pugsnotdrugs wrote: »

I'll definitely raise this with him when he calls to our door. I will also be asking him why Labour voted against the stag hunting ban last year.

This is on my list of questions for them & FG, plus the animal welfare question, I will definitely be specific about the RB thing as well now, just waiting waiting waiting for a call to the door, my lad is half Staffy and of course a big friendly lump, can't wait to drop that into the conversation. I am actually quite shocked they are just deleting those comments and questions, maybe I'm being naive, as another poster said, even if it's considered a 'minor' issue, they should at least engage the posters and answer the questions honestly, if they truly believe that crap they're spouting then at least have the balls to stand by it!!

koneko

I doubt we'll get canvassers at our door, none at all so far, but if they do, I'll be putting some questions to them, and asking them if they want to meet my GSD (though I'm sure they won't, since she's supposedly a murderer-in-waiting).

Why vote for a party that can't even answer your question, instead they resort to censorship and just delete the awkward (but valid) questions. Really poor show.

seamus

If you want to catch their real response, ask them an open-ended question like, "I would like to know what Labour plans to do about the control of dogs"?

They may launch into a spiel about banning X, Y & Z, and then you can tell them to PFO. If you show your hand to them that you're a dog lover, they could BS you.

ppink

Didn't one of these parties (not sure which one) say they would reverse the stag hunting ban if they got in?

adser53

Still no reply to my email either. I couldn't bring myself to "liking" them on bookface in order to post on their wall they would've been my no. 2 vote but not now. Unless they state they won't be pursuing the ban and I might reconsider.
Either way, what a pack of scrotes!

The list of parties/people deserving my vote diminishes yet again.

ppink

:eek: it was Fine Gael on stag hunting.....now who are we left with. the eegits who got us here, the ones who want to take our dogs or the ones who want to go back to the dark ages :(

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=144018371254&topic=43080

EGAR

Many many questions were deleted off their FB page. It goes to show what kind of respect they show their voters and how dedicated they are to the truth.

Too bad there is no puke smilie on here...:mad:

Cherry Blossom

Can I nominate my own candidate and just write it at the bottom?

<ETA> Can't actually say what I want to about my local labour candidate cause I'll end up in court :rolleyes:

DBCyc

EGAR wrote: »

Many many questions were deleted off their FB page. It goes to show what kind of respect they show their voters and how dedicated they are to the truth.

Too bad there is no puke smilie on here...:mad:

It seems like this Labour party are after pure populist agendas and little else. They seem perfectly happy to dodge issues, sit on the fence and abandon some of their 'principles' in order to gain popularity.

koneko

I sent Labour an email recently btw, after I saw someone taking down their posters and suspected it was the FF crew that were putting the posters up in the same area.

3 days later I got a completely generic cut and paste "Thank you for your comment" reply back.
I responded to that asking if this email could be used for campaign/policy questions too, and got no response (I didn't even get to ask any questions...)

antomagoo

Just received this email from Fine Gael

Many thanks for your email and your interest in Fine Gael policies.

The Fine Gael party has not proposed amending the restricted breed list. The Party is keen to overhaul outdated animal welfare legislation which extends back for more than 100 years. However, the Party is cognisant that this is a very complex area and please be assured that any issues affecting dog owners will be properly debated and discussed with stakeholders in the context of any future reforms.

Yours Sincerely,
The Fine Gael Campaign Team 2011

At least they have the decency to respond

Vojera

I just posted on their wall. I'm interested to see how long it stays there. I live in an apartment block so I doubt I'll get canvassers but I'm going to email every candidate in my constituency to see what response I get.

ETA:
I got a response! Not much, but this is what they said:
"Hi Orlaith, thanks for your question. We have no current plans to change the legistion (sic) of restricted breeds at this time. However, we are open to suggestions, so feel free to mail us at info@labour.ie."

Of course, this is not what they themselves have said in the past, so I feel as though I'm being fobbed off a bit.

antomagoo

The day before polls open and finally a response from Labour

Anthony,

Davina in my office relayed your message. Apologies for the confusion. Labour wants to see the Control of Dogs Regulations 1998 (SI No.442/1998) properly resourced and implemented on the ground. There is no committment in the Labour Manifesto to ban any type or breed of dog

I hope this clarifies our position for you

Best Wishes

Seán


Deputy Seán Sherlock
Labour Spokesperson on Agriculture and Food
Cork East

seamus

antomagoo wrote: »

The day before polls open and finally a response from Labour

It can't really change my mind at this stage tbh. We would need at least 3 weeks to have a proper discussion about it to confirm his statement is true, or to hear from from someone in Labour with more authority. Like Eamonn Gilmore.

adser53

I still don't trust them. There's too many questions I want answers to on their plans for the cod act. I don't want the RB list enforced, I want it abolished and recognised as the useless piece of legislation it actually is. I couldn't in good conscience vote for a party that plans to merely enforce rather than improve our current control of dogs act. Again I'm referencing the RB list more than anything else

antomagoo

Well they have started responding to the question of BSL on their facebook page in the last 24 hours too

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/thelabourparty/posts/205110549502532

Even the staff in DTI are calling for people to back Labour now that they have said the will not introduce BSL as they dont think its a solution to the problem of bad dog ownership. That and they have also stated they will refuse to support any attempt to overturn the ban on stag hunting.

Still on the fence here

koneko

This is very odd. So late in the day (last minute), and they suddenly actually start replying to these points, instead of deleting them? And claim their answer on it has been clear? Clear?? Lol!

Does not sit right with me, if your answer was clear and this was your policy, you'd answer people on it and actually make it clear, instead of deleting posts and ignoring emails.

Bigtoe107

Was going to vote labour, but i dunno now; they may have lost my vote. No chance i want my Staffie paying for the mistakes of others.

toadfly

I havent a clue who to vote for, labour has been out for me since I heard this crap about RB. They never replied to my posts on facebook or to an email I sent them. I email a loads of labour guys in my area and only one answered me. No faith in any of them.

Thinking of not voting at this stage.

Cherry Blossom

TillyGirl wrote: »

Thinking of not voting at this stage.

That won't achieve anything, turn up, draw a big giant X through the whole list of names and an angry face on the bottom, if more people did that the parties would have to seriously re-examine their whole policies.

Cherry Blossom

antomagoo wrote: »

The day before polls open and finally a response from Labour

antomagoo wrote: »

Well they have started responding to the question of BSL on their facebook page in the last 24 hours too

There is a ban on all parties from using the media today so they are trying to win the last few votes via e-mail and facebook

Discodog

There is no more passionate animal lover here than me & I will be voting Labour. I do not believe that they would instigate a ban. The only circumstances would be if there were a series of "attacks" as there were in the UK before their ban. If this happened any party would introduce a ban. In any event it would not necessarily be retrospective - the PR could be horrendous.

I would hate to see FG reintroduce Stag Hunting & a coalition with Labour would stop them. The Sunday Times suggested that FG must of received a serious incentive to bring Stag hunting back & I agree with them. I have a genuine fear of any party getting an overall majority. Enda with total, absolute power is a scary prospect as is a FG coalition with a bunch of independents. Also a coalition with Labour gives us two bites at the Cherry when it comes to lobbying for an Animal Welfare Bill.

Now here's a thought, did Enda agree to Stag hunting to get the dosh knowing that Labour would oppose it ?.

toadfly

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

That won't achieve anything, turn up, draw a big giant X through the whole list of names and an angry face on the bottom, if more people did that the parties would have to seriously re-examine their whole policies.

Was thinking of doing that but have to drive 2 hours for that privilege.

EGAR

Labour voted AGAINST a ban on staghunting last year.