politician who hold or have held teaching positions?

forestfruits

I have been trying to figure out exactly which of our elected representatives or prospective representatives held or still hold teaching positions. Its difficult enough to even get a toe in the door in education and has been for at least 10 years without people holding positions that lets face it, they are never going to return to.

Any ideas? Who is on the list?
Did M. Martin ever give up his position?

I know there is the argument that they should be allowed to return to their position if politics doesnt work out for the poor things-- however if I and thousands like me decided to leave my job in the morning to pursue another career I would have to resign.

Id like to be well prepared for the knock on the door!
(not that anyone has called to the door yet- not even a leaflet)

bamboozle

Martin & Hanifan have both been in the spot light over recent years regarding their positons being held for them and also the additional pensions they are accruing from their teaching roles.

as far as i am aware Finian McGrath has given up his teaching position.

Irishrossoblu

Noel Dempsey was on leave from his woodwork teaching post for some silly amount of time like 15 years.

Minister B

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/teacher-tds-will-have-job-safety-net-for-10-years-2529433.html

this article should help you.

Question if a teacher gets elected and his/her position is being held, does that mean the relevant school cannot replace their former teacher with a full time replacement?

takun

Minister B wrote: »

Question if a teacher gets elected and his/her position is being held, does that mean the relevant school cannot replace their former teacher with a full time replacement?

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/leave/elected-representatives-leave/

It seems that the elected teacher still holds the position AND they continue to be paid their full salary, including increments. A replacement teacher is employed by the department, and the TD repays the department the amount of the replacement teacher's salary.

The replacement teacher is employed on a temporary basis - ie no tenure.

I think this is so very wrong. In what other job can you hold on to your position, your salary and your increments while you wander off to try something else for, and it happens, decades.

I'd love to know how many former TDs return to their teaching jobs?

Minister B

takun wrote: »

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/leave/elected-representatives-leave/

It seems that the elected teacher still holds the position AND they continue to be paid their full salary, including increments. A replacement teacher is employed by the department, and the TD repays the department the amount of the replacement teacher's salary.

The replacement teacher is employed on a temporary basis - ie no tenure.

I think this is so very wrong. In what other job can you hold on to your position, your salary and your increments while you wander off to try something else for, and it happens, decades.

I'd love to know how many former TDs return to their teaching jobs?

Thanks for the info takun.

That is absolutely shocking. So in theory, somebody like Deenihan who has been a TD since ’87 is not only denying a fellow colleague a full time position but is also getting a level of remuneration for a job he’s not doing? That’s crazy, graduates are queuing up to leave the country and this is going on.

takun

Minister B wrote: »

Thanks for the info takun.
So in theory, somebody like Deenihan who has been a TD since ’87 is not only denying a fellow colleague a full time position but is also getting a level of remuneration for a job he’s not doing?

Correct. And not just in theory. There was a post here a couple of days ago suggesting that Frank Fahey might be more deserving of a vote than Mary Hanafin or Micheál Martin because they were still holding on to their teaching posts, while he had given up his after 28 years. 28 years :eek:

It is utterly insane.

Duke Leonal Felmet

It's essentially a Dail full of teachers, barristers and doctors, then. The only person with a hint of an economics background that I can think of is Bruton.

Any other TDs bucking the trend?

RetroBate

bamboozle wrote: »

as far as i am aware Finian McGrath has given up his teaching position.

He was first elected a TD in 2003 while a principal in a national school.

In 2007 he was re-elected and a short time later resigned his teaching post.

loldog

A former teacher of mine, John O'Mahoney of Mayo. He's a good man, I'm surprised he went into politics.:)

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bamboozle

takun wrote: »

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/leave/elected-representatives-leave/

It seems that the elected teacher still holds the position AND they continue to be paid their full salary, including increments. A replacement teacher is employed by the department, and the TD repays the department the amount of the replacement teacher's salary.

The replacement teacher is employed on a temporary basis - ie no tenure.

I think this is so very wrong. In what other job can you hold on to your position, your salary and your increments while you wander off to try something else for, and it happens, decades.

I'd love to know how many former TDs return to their teaching jobs?

there's no way they continue to be paid their full salary, as far as i know their position is held for them and their pension continues to accrue but there's no way they could still be paid their full salary...if that was the case dail eireann would be full of teachers...oh wait...

Maj Malfunction

Yes I can see now clearly how the FF government has selected its ministers over the past 10+ years...

Who did PE in school? - Right your Minister for Sport

Who did honours Economics in the Leaving Cert? Right your Minister for Finance, bonus points if you went to St. Pats in Drumcondra.

Who grew up on a farm? Agriculture portfolio for you then.

No wonder the country is knackered, when it's been run by school teachers!