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Wheel/Tyres/Nuts Question

  • 07-02-2011 4:02pm
    #1
    KERSPLAT!
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    So I bought a '01 Mondeo Saturday (privetely), needed 2 new tyres so as soon as I bought it I brought it to a garage to get them. Left it for about 30 mins and went back to the garage where I was told that 1 of the nuts was rung :mad: so they couldnt get the wheel off. The garage just do tyres so they said id need a mechanic to fix it and they had no idea on the price to get it fixed,

    Anyone here any ideas? Its 5 stud with 1 nut rung, not sure what other details so just ask :)


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  • #2
    si_guru
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    FFS the bunch of cowboys.. so never in their business as a tyre fitters did they learn how to remove a rounded nut???

    Does the car have alloys or steel wheels?


  • #3
    Bruthal
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    IPAM wrote: »
    So I bought a '01 Mondeo Saturday (privetely), needed 2 new tyres so as soon as I bought it I brought it to a garage to get them. Left it for about 30 mins and went back to the garage where I was told that 1 of the nuts was rung :mad: so they couldnt get the wheel off. The garage just do tyres so they said id need a mechanic to fix it and they had no idea on the price to get it fixed,

    Anyone here any ideas? Its 5 stud with 1 nut rung, not sure what other details so just ask :)

    I had the exact same thing with neighbours car last night, we were coming back from somewhere and hit pothole, tire damaged, we were only 500 meters from home when the tire went flat, tire for the scrap heap. We could not get one bolt out. Other 4 were so tight that they were all probably hammered on with one of them neumatic bolt drivers which they should not be, meaning they would be very difficult to get off at the roadside by the driver.

    The last one we could not remove and the bolt got rounded by the brace. I went and got a drill and drilled the bolt off by drilling it with a 6mm bit first then a 10mm one, and we then broke the head off it with the brace. He was lucky he was not in the middle of nowhere.


  • #4
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    si_guru wrote: »
    FFS the bunch of cowboys.. so never in their business as a tyre fitters did they learn how to remove a rounded nut???

    Does the car have alloys or steel wheels?

    Steel wheels, its was p***in rain so I think he just wanted me gone :D

    edit: My mate said 4 would hold it no bother but Id like to have it right and when NCTing it im sure ya need 5 :D


  • #5
    Bruthal
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    Lashing rain on us drilling the stud out last night as well. Great fun.


  • #6
    si_guru
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    Steels make it easier! You can grind the nut till it spilts enought to loosen.

    Should take a decent mechanic 10 mins. New nut will be a couple of euro.


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    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Lashing rain on us drilling the stud out last night as well. Great fun.

    Any idea on price to fix or replace the part? and labour cost? I think its the bearing hub (but tbh havent a clue :D )


  • #8
    Bruthal
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    IPAM wrote: »
    Steel wheels, its was p***in rain so I think he just wanted me gone :D

    edit: My mate said 4 would hold it no bother but Id like to have it right and when NCTing it im sure ya need 5 :D

    Not just that, you want to be able to change the wheel in the event of a puncture. I would loosen and re tighten all bolts on all wheels on it as well to make sure none are so tight you cant remove them. In our case above i would say some mechanic just hammered into them with the neumatic bolt gun thing the last time the wheel was put on.


  • #9
    Bruthal
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    IPAM wrote: »
    Any idea on price to fix or replace the part? and labour cost? I think its the bearing hub (but tbh havent a clue :D )

    Well should be handy enough, took us a few minutes to drill it off. With steel wheel it should be easier as the studs are more exposed, it was alloys on neighbours one. Angle grinder like si-guru said would be possible on steel wheels with the stud heads more exposed.


  • #10
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    I wont have any problem taking the wheel off its fixing the the bolt/nut whichever is gone, thats the problem/price im wondering about


  • #11
    Bruthal
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    IPAM wrote: »
    I wont have any problem taking the wheel off its fixing the the bolt/nut whichever is gone, thats the problem/price im wondering about

    O you meant the bolt hole threads are gone? I thought you meant the stud hex shape was rounded where the brace goes onto it. You will have to have the hub replaced if thats the case.


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  • #12
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    si_guru wrote: »
    Steels make it easier! You can grind the nut till it spilts enought to loosen.

    Should take a decent mechanic 10 mins. New nut will be a couple of euro.

    Sorry didnt see this post, could the bolt be rung? Is this possible? Id imagine its alot more costly and a much bigger job if it is :(


  • #13
    Bruthal
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    From your first post it looks like you said the stud can not be removed because the hex shape is rounded off on it. That means the wheel cant be removed if thats the case, until the stud head is either drilled or ground off.

    But now your saying there is no problem removing the wheel. :confused:


  • #14
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    Soory im confusing my self aswell :D

    the bolt comes out through the wheel then the nut goes on, I think it may be the nut thats rounded but it could be the threads on the bolt. When I say I can get the wheel off easy I mean Ill use a grind/hacksaw, the problem is if its the bolt thread gone, what will need to be replaced and how much, I'll upload pic later if still unclear :D


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    bearing1.jpg
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    Worried this is gone but hope its just the nut


  • #16
    Bruthal
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    If they could not get the nut off in the tyre place its likely the nut itself is rounded. If the bolt thread is rung the nut would still screw off i would think. If it ends up being ground off the bolt will be gone as well anyway and need replacing.


  • #17
    Peter Rhea
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    When people talk about a bolt being 'rung' don't they usually mean that it has actually snapped ('wrung off, I would say)?
    Rather than loosening the actual bolt/stud/whatever has twisted until it breaks?


  • #18
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    I dont even know if its the bolt or nut but if the bolt is rung it would mean the threads are gone from the bolt and the nut is just turning (well thats how i'd explain rung)


  • #19
    Bruthal
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    Thead stripped off the bolt i mean anyway.


  • #20
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    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Thead stripped off the bolt i mean anyway.

    Exactly

    Anyway, anyone reading this is probably very confused :confused::confused::confused:, but if anyone gets what I mean, any idea how much, parts and labour, to fit a hub? (I think thats what it would need)


  • #21
    hi5
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    If its a bolt then you'll probably need a new hub as the threads are tapped in to it. Part cost plus fitting.

    If its a nut then the splined stud in the hub can be knocked out and a new one fitted.Mostly labour.


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  • #22
    Bruthal
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    hi5 wrote: »
    If its a bolt then you'll probably need a new hub as the threads are tapped in to it. Part cost plus fitting.

    If its a nut then the splined stud in the hub can be knocked out and a new one fitted.Mostly labour.

    If the tyre fitting place could not get the wheel off it sounds like the nut was rounded on the outside, i.e its not the hex shape it was anymore so the wheel brace does not get a good grip of it, the corners are rounded on the nut. Its a nut by the OP`s description, with bolts through the hub from the back. So if the nut is ground off with an angle grinder, then a new nut and bolt will be needed. The bolt probably can be tapped out with a hammer from the hub.


  • #23
    hi5
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    Rung(wrung) usually means the threads are gone,rounded means the corners are gone off the nut/bolt.The garage said it was wrung.


  • #24
    Bruthal
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    hi5 wrote: »
    Rung(wrung) usually means the threads are gone,rounded means the corners are gone off the nut/bolt.The garage said it was wrung.

    Well if the threads were gone it would not be too difficult to get the nut off usually, they still will usually screw off a bolt with threads stripped. If they could not get the wheel off it can not be much of a garage. So if they said it was wrung im sure it was the nut rounded off. Maybe the Op can tell us.

    We managed it last night with a drill to get out a rounded stud which obviously had been tightened fully with a neumatic gun meaning it was way too tight,, and we are not mechanics. And we were not in a garage.

    Going by terminology from a garage/tyre fitters that could not remove a nut whatever the state it was in will hardly tell us for sure what the state of the nuts were.


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