If Chicken Enda is too busy...

Silvio.Dante

To bother to debate in front of the nation on TV3, how can a man of such aloof arrogance be trusted to represent us on the international stage in vital negotiations in the coming years?

Then again we all know he's running scared of Micheál, Vincent and particularly Eamon...

I would think there will be a debate, just not with V brown involved. Whatever drivel Martin speels out I would hope folks would not forget the hole FF have us in for the next 10/20 years regardless of who is in the next government. I fear there are enough brainless mongs around to have FF back in government in 5 years time, shudder the thought.

snubbleste

Send him correspondence and ask enda.kenny @ oireachtas.ie

deelite

What will they have in his "place" to represent him - a cut out picture?

danbohan

RoverJames wrote: »

I would think there will be a debate, just not with V brown involved. Whatever drivel Martin speels out I would hope folks would not forget the hole FF have us in for the next 10/20 years regardless of who is in the next government. I fear there are enough brainless mongs around to have FF back in government in 5 years time, shudder the thought.[/QUO


I fear there are enough brainless mongs around to think that whoever we have in government will make the slightest difference to the countrys situation . as for kenny he has already show himself up as an arrogant coward

FF supporter unable to quote a post correctly, shocker :eek:

Silvio.Dante

deelite wrote: »

What will they have in his "place" to represent him - a cut out picture?

Or a Rhode Island Red..

http://rhodeislandredchickens.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/rhode-island-red-chicken.jpg

Silvio.Dante

danbohan wrote: »

as for kenny he has already show himself up as an arrogant coward

Now we know why Bruton, Varadkar, Creighton etc have no confidence in him as a leader when he shows such cowardice...

Wide Road

RoverJames wrote: »

I would think there will be a debate, just not with V brown involved. Whatever drivel Martin speels out I would hope folks would not forget the hole FF have us in for the next 10/20 years regardless of who is in the next government. I fear there are enough brainless mongs around to have FF back in government in 5 years time, shudder the thought.

Vincent has said he will stand aside for Tuesday's debate & Enda still declined.
Why?

Manach

Whilst not a FG supporter, one of the reasons that Mr. Kenny gave about not wishing to essentially dance to the tune of TV3 schedule, is sensible. Given the power of the media, in the UK for instance the Murdock press, it is refreshing to see a politician putting them in their place.
On the other hand, Mr. Kenny's scheduling conflicts reason is a weak excuse.

danbohan

RoverJames wrote: »

FF supporter unable to quote a post correctly, shocker :eek:

so anybody that thinks that herr kenny and gilmore are not irelands salvation is a fianna fail supporter ?

EKRIUQ

There's 2 more debates after this one left, I'm sure this one will be forgotten about quickly. Bit of a waste of time holdiing the debate without Kenny there. Listen to Martin's lies or Kilmore mouthing on.

danbohan

Manach wrote: »

Whilst not a FG supporter, one of the reasons that Mr. Kenny gave about not wishing to essentially dance to the tune of TV3 schedule, is sensible. Given the power of the media, in the UK for instance the Murdock press, it is refreshing to see a politician putting them in their place.
On the other hand, Mr. Kenny's scheduling conflicts reason is a weak excuse.

given the fact that mr kenny has the popularity of a cut snake even within his party he is hardly doing himself any favors by his behavior .

it would all be light hearted entertainment if it was not for the fact that this little tortoise will most probably be our taoiseach and will be going out to bat on our behalf with europe at a time when our country is suffering its greatest crisis.
hardly inspiring stuff

Seth Brundle

danbohan wrote: »

given the fact that mr kenny has the popularity of a cut snake even within his party he is hardly doing himself any favors by his behavior .

it would all be light hearted entertainment if it was not for the fact that this little tortoise will most probably be our taoiseach and will be going out to bat on our behalf with europe at a time when our country is suffering its greatest crisis.
hardly inspiring stuff

You want Enda to participate in light hearted entertainment that will contribute to deciding who leads the country and then in the same sentence you are critical of him for not participating in the media circus because the country is in a major crisis (created and maintained by FF cronyism)?

danbohan

kbannon wrote: »

You want Enda to participate in light hearted entertainment that will contribute to deciding who leads the country and then in the same sentence you are critical of him for not participating in the media circus because the country is in a major crisis (created and maintained by FF cronyism)?

what i said would be light heated entertainment is that a leader of a political party refuses to debate with other party leaders and then uses excuses such as no time and and suicide in opting out , might be entertaining if that man was the leader of the Monster Raving Loony Party or even the greens but hes the leader of the potentially biggest party in the country and a future taoiseach so for ireland and its people it certainly not entertainment and its a sad reflection on us if this is the caliber of person we have for high office

Silvio.Dante

danbohan wrote: »

this little tortoise will most probably be our taoiseach and will be going out to bat on our behalf with europe at a time when our country is suffering its greatest crisis.
hardly inspiring stuff

Scary prospect isn't it...?

myrak

kbannon wrote: »

You want Enda to participate in light hearted entertainment that will contribute to deciding who leads the country and then in the same sentence you are critical of him for not participating in the media circus because the country is in a major crisis (created and maintained by FF cronyism)?

TV 3 announce a debate and the politicians MUST jump...just like that?
So VB is up there with the ECB and IMF as ones who must be obeyed?

Seth Brundle

danbohan wrote: »

what i said would be light heated entertainment is that a leader of a political party refuses to debate with other party leaders and then uses excuses such as no time and and suicide in opting out , might be entertaining if that man was the leader of the Monster Raving Loony Party or even the greens but hes the leader of the potentially biggest party in the country and a future taoiseach so for ireland and its people it certainly not entertainment and its a sad reflection on us if this is the caliber of person we have for high office

Firstly you implied that a debate with the different leaders would be light hearted entertainment.
Secondly, I'm glad that he isn't dancing for TV3 unlike the others. Maybe they would be beter off holding a debate with the public instead of some staged entertainment?
Thirdly, trying to choose our next government that will try to get us out of the current abyss that we are in shouldn't be comnparable to X Factor!

myrak wrote: »

TV 3 announce a debate and the politicians MUST jump...just like that?
So VB is up there with the ECB and IMF as ones who must be obeyed?

Is that pointed towards me?

danbohan

kbannon wrote: »

Firstly you implied that a debate with the different leaders would be light hearted entertainment.
Secondly, I'm glad that he isn't dancing for TV3 unlike the others. Maybe they would be beter off holding a debate with the public instead of some staged entertainment?
Thirdly, trying to choose our next government that will try to get us out of the current abyss that we are in shouldn't be comnparable to X Factor!
Is that pointed towards me?

at no time did i imply that the debate among the leaders should be light hearted entertainment


no matter what way fine gael supporters try to spin it , endas cowardice/ in competence is damaging to , enda , fine gael , and most importantly to ireland

ednwireland

danbohan wrote: »

at no time did i imply that the debate among the leaders should be light hearted entertainment

yeh but thats what it is

never watch them myself complete waste of time

rodento

What people don't realise is that the debate is the only real chance we get to see what the parties have on offer.

The idea one can get any decent answer's from someone at your door is just complete b*llsh*t

What we do get to see, is the caliber of the man who would be king and all I'm seenat the moment is the reason why he lost confidence of his entire front bench:mad:

Seth Brundle

danbohan wrote: »

at no time did i imply that the debate among the leaders should be light hearted entertainment


no matter what way fine gael supporters try to spin it , endas cowardice/ in competence is damaging to , enda , fine gael , and most importantly to ireland

erm, you said:

danbohan wrote: »

it would all be light hearted entertainment if it was not for the fact that this little tortoise will most probably be our taoiseach and will be going out to bat on our behalf with europe at a time when our country is suffering its greatest crisis.
hardly inspiring stuff

Now if Enda played ball then by your logic, it would be light hearted entertainment. Am I misunderstanding your words?

Secondly, don't confuse me with a FG supporter. I support none of our parties and that I'm quite sure is already on the record. I support a political system that doesn't tolerate corruption, gombeenism, inequality in social services, etc.

As for your coment "endas cowardice/ in competence is damaging to , enda , fine gael , and most importantly to ireland" - this is pure trolling. I can safely make the assumption that you are an FF supporter. Do you really think that Ireland can be damaged more by Enda's non appearance on the X Fator is more damaging than Bertie in a cupboard or FFs bailing out of Anglo or whatever?

Seth Brundle

rodento wrote: »

What people don't realise is that the debate is the only real chance we get to see what the parties have on offer.

The idea one can get any decent answer's from someone at your door is just complete b*llsh*t

What we do get to see, is the caliber of the man who would be king and all I'm seenat the moment is the reason why he lost confidence of his entire front bench:mad:

Nonsense. Think of the last leaders debate. That helped turn the election in favour of FF. It doesn't mean that they had the best hand on offer!

rodento

kbannon wrote: »

erm, you said:
As for your coment "endas cowardice/ in competence is damaging to , enda , fine gael , and most importantly to ireland" - this is pure trolling. I can safely make the assumption that you are an FF supporter.

Why is it that people who defend enda do so by questioning the political persuasion of the poster and not the issues at hand

This is the man who should be running away with the election and not running away from insightful debate, its no wonder he lost the confidence of his entire front team

Dami

rodento wrote: »

Why is it that people who defend enda do so by questioning the political persuasion of the poster and not the issues at hand

This is the man who should be running away with the election and not running away from insightful debate, its no wonder he lost the confidence of his entire front team

Totally agree! What a way to represent our friends who have had to go abroad to find work. This to me is abdication of responsibility and yet another excuse...what a pathetic leader!!!!

Silvio.Dante

rodento wrote: »

Why is it that people who defend enda do so by questioning the political persuasion of the poster and not the issues at hand

It's lazy James O'Reilly style rebuttle. No substance but they think if they shout it loud enough it will get through.

There's no doubt Enda will be our next Taoiseach, with his attack hound barking inanely at his heel. God help us all...

FRIENDO

At the moment Fine Gael are doing well in the polls, by sending Enda onto a national TV debate will only damage the Fine Gael vote possibly causing Fine Gael to slip by 10% in the Polls.

Seth Brundle

rodento wrote: »

Why is it that people who defend enda do so by questioning the political persuasion of the poster and not the issues at hand

Where did I defend Enda?

rodento wrote: »

This is the man who should be running away with the election and not running away from insightful debate, its no wonder he lost the confidence of his entire front team

Anyhow, the FF Sunday rag had a leading headline yesterday of "Fine Gael on course to govern by itself" - that appears to be "running away with the election" to me.
As for the line about him losing the confidence of his front team, remind me again; under what circumstances did the last four leaders of FF leave office?

At least Enda is being decisive.
I for one welcome this strength in leadership,rather than cow towing to the VB farce show.

Silvio.Dante

Deleted User wrote: »

At least Enda is being decisive.
I for one welcome this strength in leadership,rather than cow towing to the VB farce show.

Ironic post of the week...:D

Pete_Cavan

rodento wrote: »

What people don't realise is that the debate is the only real chance we get to see what the parties have on offer.

No, reading policy documents is the only real chance we get to see what the parties have on offer. The debates will be full of pointless name calling and the winner will be the person who is the best at spin. At least policy documents cant backtrack or dodge a question, its there in front of you in black and white. In terms of policy FG are the only party with realistic solutions to the current crisis so I for one will be voting for them.

rodento wrote: »

What we do get to see, is the caliber of the man who would be king and all I'm seenat the moment is the reason why he lost confidence of his entire front bench:mad:

We saw the caliber of Bertie in debates before the 2007 election and thats why FF got re-elected. They then proceeded to drive the economy over a cliff. Debates like this only serve to benefit those who shout populist nonsense for the gullible to lap up. I dont blame FG for not wanting to be involved. We need a competent government, not one who panders to fools.

Laminations

Sequence of events:

1. FF ruin the country
2. Micheal Martin demands 3way debate
3. Kenny tells Martin he is in no position to make demands, says that 3way is unfair and wants a 5way debate. Point is he wants a debate, and seeing as SF are polling as high as FF, why shouldn't they be represented.
4. VB announces on his show they are organising a 3way, knowing Kennys position on this. Alan Shatter tries to argue against this and VB basically shouts him down, saying something like 'well we'll do it anyway, plough on regardless'. Shatter says it may be against broadcasting rules to have unequal coverage for candidates and this is like a red rag to a bull for VB. TV3 are adamant they are having the first debate.
5. Big surprise, Enda ain't gonna be dictated to - although his excuses have been tripe.
6. Media make a big deal over personality politics rather than focus on policy positions

JohnC.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

No, reading policy documents is the only real chance we get to see what the parties have on offer.

I put no more faith in policy documents than I do in the litter they shove through my letter box. How many broken promises have there been in policy documents? Frankly, I don't trust a word any of them say. They say what they think people want to hear to get into power.

bijapos

myrak wrote: »

TV 3 announce a debate and the politicians MUST jump...just like that?

Interesting bit of spin on the argument that.

My impression is that TV3 announced they were having a debate and invited Kenny, Gilmore and Martin on. Nobody was told to jump.

Gilmore and Martin accepted. Kenny refused. The fact that he refused looks strange to most people.

Pete_Cavan

Kahless wrote: »

I put no more faith in policy documents than I do in the litter they shove through my letter box. How many broken promises have there been in policy documents? Frankly, I don't trust a word any of them say. They say what they think people want to hear to get into power.

Policy documents generally only set out in broad terms what path a party will follow, for example, in order to close the budget deficit FG favour 70:30 cuts over taxes, Labour want 50:50 and SF favour taxes but have no clue how to introduce the taxes without further damaging the economy. This will largely be ignored in a debate because FG and Lab will have to waste time pointing out how SFs plan can not work. It is only when politicians are put in front of a camera do they make ridicuous promises and say what they think people want to hear. That is why I think these debates are a waste of time and only suit those will unrealistic policies.

Laminations

bijapos wrote: »

Interesting bit of spin on the argument that.

My impression is that TV3 announced they were having a debate and invited Kenny, Gilmore and Martin on. Nobody was told to jump.

Gilmore and Martin accepted. Kenny refused. The fact that he refused looks strange to most people.

He had already made it clear that he did not agree with a 3way debate so why organise one? Seems they were telling him to jump. And why should SF be excluded when they are polling as well as FF? And why are the Greens when they are a government party?

pauldry

If people are not going to vote for a party because of TV3 let them.

I dont think a TV debate is going to make my decision for me.

85billion of debt has.

Also a party thats sole policy is to punish the poor has to get out

They have done nothing for jobs, mortgages or the socially deprived or health.

Their sole objective is to get people off social welfare so that it will look like the country is doing well economically - buy denying poor people dole.

danbohan

kbannon wrote: »

erm, you said:
Now if Enda played ball then by your logic, it would be light hearted entertainment. Am I misunderstanding your words?

Secondly, don't confuse me with a FG supporter. I support none of our parties and that I'm quite sure is already on the record. I support a political system that doesn't tolerate corruption, gombeenism, inequality in social services, etc.

As for your coment "endas cowardice/ in competence is damaging to , enda , fine gael , and most importantly to ireland" - this is pure trolling. I can safely make the assumption that you are an FF supporter. Do you really think that Ireland can be damaged more by Enda's non appearance on the X Fator is more damaging than Bertie in a cupboard or FFs bailing out of Anglo or whatever?

Enda's non appearance on the X Fator is more damaging than Bertie in a cupboard or FFs bailing out of Anglo or whatever?

bertie is history , bad history but history , let him stay in the cupboard
enda is our future leader , has his behavior in the last week made you confident that hes up to that job ? it certainly has not for me .
and i never voted fianna fail in my life , thankfully

Silvio.Dante

bijapos wrote: »

Interesting bit of spin on the argument that.

My impression is that TV3 announced they were having a debate and invited Kenny, Gilmore and Martin on. Nobody was told to jump.

Gilmore and Martin accepted. Kenny refused. The fact that he refused looks strange to most people.

Nail on head...

Silvio.Dante

Laminations wrote: »

He had already made it clear that he did not agree with a 3way debate so why organise one? Seems they were telling him to jump. And why should SF be excluded when they are polling as well as FF? And why are the Greens when they are a government party?

Chicken Enda's concern for Jarry's voice to be heard is quite touching...:D

Silvio.Dante

danbohan wrote: »

enda is our future leader , has his behavior in the last week made you confident that hes up to that job ?

Not by a long shot...:(

SB-08

Laminations wrote: »

He had already made it clear that he did not agree with a 3way debate so why organise one? Seems they were telling him to jump. And why should SF be excluded when they are polling as well as FF? And why are the Greens when they are a government party?

Please take off the rose tinted glasses. Everyone and their dog knows Kenny didn't want a 3 way, but instead a 5 way in order to reduce the chances of his ineptitude being exposed. A 5 way is just a platform for pre-rehearsed waffle soundbites and gives no time to get down to the bones of the detail. It would quite clearly descent into a farcical shouting match, or even better for Enda - Gerry Adams would be there to take the heat off Kenny as far as utter incompetence goes. But whatever, there is no reason why there can't be a 5 way as well as a 3 way is there? The 3 way debate is a debate of the would be Taoiseach (regardless of Mehoe's chances - the fact is FF are running enough candidates to at least lead a Govt - even if is is totally unlikely), so it would be pointless for Gormley and Adams to be included.

Besides - Kenny has become the king of flip-flopping on this issue because he is now calling for a 3 way debate but will only agree if it is broadcast on both RTE and TV3 in yet another bid to reduce his chance of being found out.

I simply refuse to believe people are so delusional that they buy this spin that i frankly insulting to the electorates intelligence. The latest is he is being bullied by TV3 and standing up to the media. Nonsense of the highest order. TV3 suggested a date to all 3 leaders - Martin and Gilmore accepted - Kenny made an enormous big deal, with an ever changing encyclopedia of excuse after excuse in order to avoid the debate. First it was he wanted a 5 way (he is now himself suggesting a 3 way), then he wouldn't do it because VB was hosting it, TV3 (wrongly in my view) in order to accommodate is childlike demands, offered to replace Browne solely to please Kenny. Was this enough? Nope - now the date doesn't suit. A dog dancing event is more crucial than speaking to a likely audience of over 1M voters. Had Kenny said Wednesday suits instead I am sure TV3 would have changed it but there is no indication he did indeed do this. He is clearly trying to go out of his way and make an enormous deal out of a bloody debate. Truly pathetic carry on.

Anyone FG'ers who defend Kenny's truly farcical behavior in relation to this are as delusional and blinded as those FF'ers who defend Lenihan spoofery or Clowen's incompetence, or likewise Labour voters who defend Moan Burton's childish behavior or SF'ers who deny how incept Adams is on the economy.

dean21

SB-08 wrote: »

Please take off the rose tinted glasses. Everyone and their dog knows Kenny didn't want a 3 way, but instead a 5 way in order to reduce the chances of his ineptitude being exposed. A 5 way is just a platform for pre-rehearsed waffle soundbites and gives no time to get down to the bones of the detail. It would quite clearly descent into a farcical shouting match, or even better for Enda - Gerry Adams would be there to take the heat off Kenny as far as utter incompetence goes. But whatever, there is no reason why there can't be a 5 way as well as a 3 way is there? The 3 way debate is a debate of the would be Taoiseach (regardless of Mehoe's chances - the fact is FF are running enough candidates to at least lead a Govt - even if is is totally unlikely), so it would be pointless for Gormley and Adams to be included.

Besides - Kenny has become the king of flip-flopping on this issue because he is now calling for a 3 way debate but will only agree if it is broadcast on both RTE and TV3 in yet another bid to reduce his chance of being found out.

I simply refuse to believe people are so delusional that they buy this spin that i frankly insulting to the electorates intelligence. The latest is he is being bullied by TV3 and standing up to the media. Nonsense of the highest order. TV3 suggested a date to all 3 leaders - Martin and Gilmore accepted - Kenny made an enormous big deal, with an ever changing encyclopedia of excuse after excuse in order to avoid the debate. First it was he wanted a 5 way (he is now himself suggesting a 3 way), then he wouldn't do it because VB was hosting it, TV3 (wrongly in my view) in order to accommodate is childlike demands, offered to replace Browne solely to please Kenny. Was this enough? Nope - now the date doesn't suit. A dog dancing event is more crucial than speaking to a likely audience of over 1M voters. Had Kenny said Wednesday suits instead I am sure TV3 would have changed it but there is no indication he did indeed do this. He is clearly trying to go out of his way and make an enormous deal out of a bloody debate. Truly pathetic carry on.

Anyone FG'ers who defend Kenny's truly farcical behavior in relation to this are as delusional and blinded as those FF'ers who defend Lenihan spoofery or Clowen's incompetence, or likewise Labour voters who defend Moan Burton's childish behavior or SF'ers who deny how incept Adams is on the economy.

Collins will turn in his Grave if that idiot Kenny becomes Taoiseach

c_man

SB-08 wrote: »

Besides - Kenny has become the king of flip-flopping on this issue because he is now calling for a 3 way debate but will only agree if it is broadcast on both RTE and TV3 in yet another bid to reduce his chance of being found out.

Is he? Any chance of a link, can't see it anywhere.

[Jackass]

I think Enda is being very foolish to take the heat off the absolute wreck FF have made of this country, and also for delaying in going in to tear Micahel Martin to shreds for what his party has done to this country, and I think it's very foolish to have a spat like this...he should just get on with it and leave the personal problems and ritousness for another day...there's an election at hand, so VB hurting his feelings can be resolved another day...

Just to clarify though, what VB said was unacceptable, and is the reason why Enda does not want to participate with any programme involving VB.

He commented when Enda Kenny's leadership was being challenged, that Enda Kenny should "go into a darkened room with a revolver and a bottle of whiskey" or something to that effect...

Suicide support groups and several persons made compaints to the regulator about the comment also...

myrak

kbannon wrote: »

Is that pointed towards me?

No, not at all.