O Leary can save ireland

macbrada

Michael o Leary could save ireland from this economic mess if.......


Give him terminal 2 and aerlingus.

He would fill this country with tens of millions ,from the Americas and all over Europe. Bring them to Eire for 50 dollars and they will stay in our empty hotels, drink in empty pubs and fill the struggling retailers tills.

O Leary would also get rid of the union idiots that cripple aer lingus on nearly an annual basis and the DAAfat cats.

He won't tolerate crap from any union or politician

We need money and importing it seems to me the quickest way out!

Rebel021

macbrada wrote: »

Michael o Leary could save ireland from this economic mess if.......


Give him terminal 2 and aerlingus.

He would fill this country with tens of millions ,from the Americas and all over Europe. Bring them to Eire for 50 dollars and they will stay in our empty hotels, drink in empty pubs and fill the struggling retailers tills.

O Leary would also get rid of the union idiots that cripple aer lingus on nearly an annual basis and the DAAfat cats.

He won't tolerate crap from any union or politician

We need money and importing it seems to me the quickest way out!

Go away Mr O Leary:rolleyes:

FreudianSlippers

I wouldn't be against O Leary owning AerLingus, but I'd want to ensure that the brand stayed alive and was not turned into a "budget" airline like Ryan Air.

The_Thing

I'd rather see Ireland devasted by nuclear war than give ConAir RyanAir's miser-in-chief a single cent.

Dozen Wicked Words

Nothing he does is for the benefit of anyone but himself. You can keep him thanks.

gigino

dooferoaks wrote: »

Nothing he does is for the benefit of anyone but himself. You can keep him thanks.

You are right, we were better off in the days before Ryanair when a return ticket to England cost two hundred and fifty pounds, a fortune then.:rolleyes:

ted1

aer lingus are a joke. Why would wo want them to stay the way they are. Just look at how many flights they cancelled over the past two weeks.

Anonymous1987

Aer Lingus is Ryanair's only competition for a large number of routes in Ireland. Allowing the merger would introduce a monopoly on these routes and remove the incentive to keep prices low impacting not only on consumers but also the Irish tourist industry.

The European Commission has prohibited, on the basis of the EU Merger Regulation, the proposed takeover by Ryanair of Aer Lingus. The acquisition would have combined the two leading airlines operating from Ireland which currently compete vigorously against each other. The Commission concluded that the merger would have harmed consumers by removing this competition and creating a monopoly or a dominant position on 35 routes operated by both parties. This would have reduced choice and, most likely, led to higher prices for more than 14 million EU passengers using these routes to and from Ireland each year. The Commission's investigation and market test of remedies offered by Ryanair demonstrated that these remedies were inadequate to remove the competition concerns. In particular the limited number of airport "slots" offered was not likely to lead to competition sufficient to replace the competitive pressure currently exercised by each airline on the other. The Commission therefore concluded that the concentration would significantly impede effective competition within the European Economic Area (EEA) or a substantial part of it.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/07/893

flutered

gigino wrote: »

You are right, we were better off in the days before Ryanair when a return ticket to England cost two hundred and fifty pounds, a fortune then.:rolleyes:

i agree with you.

M cebee

do you want him to flood the country with illegal immigrants or bring over some thirsty yanks?

Seth Brundle

dooferoaks wrote: »

Nothing he does is for the benefit of anyone but himself.

and this makes him different from our current crop of politicians because?

charlie1966

I thought the title was "OLeary can save Ireland", not "Oleary can save Aerlingus". He and business leaders like him could save the country but very few if any would like how they would do it.

gigino

I'll say one thing for O'Leary anyway, he and his company create a lot of employment and pay a lot of tax in Ireland , and his business being the worlds largest airline is at least one of our few home grown big business success stories. Pity how so many people in Ireland begrudge success. It does not say much for our education system.

Gumbo

gigino wrote: »

I'll say one thing for O'Leary anyway, he and his company create a lot of employment and pay a lot of tax in Ireland

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/stansted-airport-news-200807.htm

From 2007 though.

In the 5 years to last March, Ryanair earned total pretax profits of almost €1.6bn. According to its profits and loss accounts, the total tax due for this period was €142.6m. When a tax write-back of €34.2m last year is deducted, the total falls to just €108.4m. That represents a tax rate of just 6.8 percent.


Analysts say that many Ryanair aircraft are owned by subsidiary companies based in tax havens such as Cyprus. The aircraft are then leased back to an Irish operating company. By structuring the ownership of its aircraft in this way Ryanair is able to benefit from other countries' front-loaded capital allowances.

Ryanair is also believed to have structured the ownership of its online ticket sales operation in a way that minimises its tax bill. This is understood to be owned by a Channel Islands-registered company, which then charges the parent company a commission for every ticket sold.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

macbrada wrote: »

We need money and importing it seems to me the quickest way out!

This bit is fine. But I hate all this bogger-style veneration of one particular individual sorting it all out for us. "Sure Mick's your man to sort it all out".

I've no problem with O'Leary - he's a successful businessman. The point is that each of us in our own way has to find the best way of making a living. Success will be about each of us finding some way of producing something of value that we can sell abroad.

Success is not about giving mindless support for some benevolent tyrant. To quote Brian of Nazareth, you've just got to work it out for yourself.

ArtSmart

macbrada wrote: »

Michael o Leary could save ireland from this economic mess if.......


Give him terminal 2 and aerlingus.

He would fill this country with tens of millions ,from the Americas and all over Europe. Bring them to Eire for 50 dollars and they will stay in our empty hotels, drink in empty pubs and fill the struggling retailers tills.

O Leary would also get rid of the union idiots that cripple aer lingus on nearly an annual basis and the DAAfat cats.

He won't tolerate crap from any union or politician

We need money and importing it seems to me the quickest way out!

24 post, around 90% dismissing unions and worker rights in air lingus and TEEU.
not bad.
welcome to boards.

danbohan

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

funny , whats not funny that a time warped unionized workforce are bringing a semi bankrupt airline such as aer lingus in mr o learys grateful arms , i for one will be very happy to see that day

Seperate

kceire wrote: »

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/stansted-airport-news-200807.htm

From 2007 though.

In the 5 years to last March, Ryanair earned total pretax profits of almost €1.6bn. According to its profits and loss accounts, the total tax due for this period was €142.6m. When a tax write-back of €34.2m last year is deducted, the total falls to just €108.4m. That represents a tax rate of just 6.8 percent.


Analysts say that many Ryanair aircraft are owned by subsidiary companies based in tax havens such as Cyprus. The aircraft are then leased back to an Irish operating company. By structuring the ownership of its aircraft in this way Ryanair is able to benefit from other countries' front-loaded capital allowances.

Ryanair is also believed to have structured the ownership of its online ticket sales operation in a way that minimises its tax bill. This is understood to be owned by a Channel Islands-registered company, which then charges the parent company a commission for every ticket sold.

They're a business, not a charity. Of course if there is a way to pay less tax, they will. Same as 100% of other successful businesses.

'is also believed' is also a statement which makes it sound like it might be something the journo made up!

Every single Ryanair Employee pays tax to the revenue in Ireland. Every single pilot, cabin crew, ground ops etc. That is a serious haul of PAYE/PRSI for the irish government.

I can't see how anyone can deny Ryanair are/were an innovation to the aviation industry. If it wasn't for their low-budget ethic, we'd still be paying a ridiculous amount of money to go to the UK/Europe.

Dozen Wicked Words

macbrada wrote: »

are you really that thick???

Millions of tourists have come to ireland because ryanair made it possible with affordable flights...and I bet you use him to fly to santa pons a or wherever you holiday.. They stopped aer fungus from ripping people off with their union head idiots demanding 40 k to be a waiter / waitress in the sky

Funny, funny post. Are you really that angry?

Do you see him as an altruistic hero then?

I stated, quite calmly, that he does things for the benefit of himself, I certainly didn't get personal about it. If people have a better/worse/the same life because of his decisions I don't think he cares, I think he cares about himself. That is not the kind of man, personally speaking, I hope will "save" the country, if thats OK with you.

Gumbo

Seperate wrote: »

They're a business, not a charity. Of course if there is a way to pay less tax, they will. Same as 100% of other successful businesses.

'is also believed' is also a statement which makes it sound like it might be something the journo made up!

Every single Ryanair Employee pays tax to the revenue in Ireland. Every single pilot, cabin crew, ground ops etc. That is a serious haul of PAYE/PRSI for the irish government.

I can't see how anyone can deny Ryanair are/were an innovation to the aviation industry. If it wasn't for their low-budget ethic, we'd still be paying a ridiculous amount of money to go to the UK/Europe.

I agree and dont dispute that, it's just my opinion that I would notmlike to see aer lingus fall into the hands of o Leary.

sceptre

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RichardAnd

Putting O'Leary in charge is a suggestion that belongs on Live line or Front line. The man may be able to run an airline but put him in charge of the country and he would do everything possible to suit himself, not what is good for the country.

jimmycrackcorm

RichardAnd wrote: »

Putting O'Leary in charge is a suggestion that belongs on Live line or Front line. The man may be able to run an airline but put him in charge of the country and he would do everything possible to suit himself, not what is good for the country.

I'm inclined to think that what is good for him would also be good for the resto of us. I for one would welcome a 25 minute turnaround in A&E..... lol

youcrazyjesus!

Aer Lingus ripped people off for decades. They have a shameful legacy. Michael O'Leary might be a grade A c**t but his company provide an enormously useful service for ordinary people. They deserve a lot of praise. I've never had a problem with them.

The offer for the hangar was genuine and he should have been accomodated. The establishment hate him. Elites often despise people like MOL.

He won't ever enter politics rhough.

M cebee

he built a hugely successful company

and enabled people to fly cheaply

what's wrong with that

i'm sure he'd do a decent job running the country

we could do with a good union buster right now

dan_d

No he could not.
He is a business man and a fairly ruthless one at that. He is not a man to be let near the running of a country.
I have a certain amount of admiration for what O' Leary has done with Ryanair.However, his personal behaviour is ridiculous. He throws all the toys out of the pram every time anyone tells him he can't have his way, and sulks when people try to compromise with him.He won't tolerate unions because they would force him to change some of his work practices (obviously). I would be the first to say that unions have had a large hand in destroying this country, but it was because they were let behave badly, by those in power. They do, however, have their place in companies where workers' rights are being abused.
Ryanair have made flying cheaper, but they are now at a stage where they cannot go any lower. His flights may be 1c, but by the time you add on all the charges and taxes (stealth, I might add) they come to the same price as Aer Lingus, on most flights.
The thing that most people seem to completely ignore is that flying is a bloody expensive business. Planes cost millions, and millions more to maintain. It's not just about buying X number of planes - it's also about the amount of money and time that has to, by regulation, go into maintaining them - among other things. To listen to O'Leary, you would think that it's the cheapest business out there, and every airline except him is ripping people off. Not the case.
I will say that I loathe Ryanair, and I put my money where my mouth is and refuse to fly with them. As far as I'm concerned, I'm handing money over (no matter how small the amount) and putting my life in their hands for a period of hours while flying.This argument of "you get what you pay for" does not sit with me when it comes to travelling, particularly by air. I will happily pay the extra 20/30 eur (because that's the difference between most Ryanair and AL flights these days), and fly with AL.
However that's not relevant to the original thread topic.Letting someone like Michael O Leary into Gov would be akin to giving the keys to the Dail to Sean Fitzpatrick.An absolute godawful idea.

The_Thing

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

...Michael O'Leary might be a grade A c**t...

I'm in no doubt that he is.

He had to be forced by the EU to pay out compensation to his passengers over disruptions due to the Icelandic volcano - his was the only airline that tried to wriggle out of their legally binding obligations.

Seth Brundle

RichardAnd wrote: »

Putting O'Leary in charge is a suggestion that belongs on Live line or Front line. The man may be able to run an airline but put him in charge of the country and he would do everything possible to suit himself, not what is good for the country.

please see here...

The_Thing wrote: »

He had to be forced by the EU to pay out compensation to his passengers over disruptions due to the Icelandic volcano - his was the only airline that tried to wriggle out of their legally binding obligations.

In fairness, who is he answerable to? His passeners or his shareholders?
If you were a shareholder, would you prefer for him to cough up without question or contest the matter?

ted1

he had every intention of paying out. He just sacred people in to thinking that they wouldn't get the money back so they kept the costs low. This was an excellent move on his part.
Nearly makes up for the cox up he made by not hedgeing his fuel costs.

RichardAnd

kbannon wrote: »

please see here...

Hmm, are you suggesting that a wolf is a better guard for the chicken coop than a fox?

ted1

he had every intention of paying out. He just sacred people in to thinking that they wouldn't get the money back so they kept the costs low. This was an excellent move on his part.
Nearly makes up for the cox up he made by not hedgeing his fuel costs.

ted1

he had every intention of paying out. He just sacred people in to thinking that they wouldn't get the money back so they kept the costs low. This was an excellent move on his part.
Nearly makes up for the cox up he made by not hedgeing his fuel costs.

The_Thing

kbannon wrote: »

please see here...

In fairness, who is he answerable to? His passeners or his shareholders?
If you were a shareholder, would you prefer for him to cough up without question or contest the matter?

In the eyes of the law regarding this matter his shareholders are in second place to his passengers - it doesn't matter what they (the shareholders) want - his legal obligations were\are to compensate his passengers for flight disruptions. Refusing to pay out was a typical profiteering stunt on his behalf which was rightfully shot down by the EU.

flutered

RichardAnd wrote: »

Putting O'Leary in charge is a suggestion that belongs on Live line or Front line. The man may be able to run an airline but put him in charge of the country and he would do everything possible to suit himself, not what is good for the country.

if he were in charge of the country then he would not be able to suit himself only the country.

ArtSmart

I find it sad that O' Leary approach to business is applauded and that the idea of being successful in business means being ruthless, or putting your self/ shareholders before your customers/ workers.

If that's the view of businesspeople, the world, and Ireland, really is in trouble.

ted1

all businesses put their shareholders first. Their crew are paid more than most other airlines.

Slozer

gigino wrote: »

You are right, we were better off in the days before Ryanair when a return ticket to England cost two hundred and fifty pounds, a fortune then.:rolleyes:

Hmmm!

ted1

slozer come on that's a flight that flys out today. You know that is when flights are dearest. Pick a random flight next month. People booking next day flights are often forced to travel and are willing to pay the premium.

Whiskeyjack

kbannon wrote: »

and this makes him different from our current crop of politicians because?

It doesn't. That's the bloody point.

Seth Brundle

Its my point also!

Idbatterim

In the 5 years to last March, Ryanair earned total pretax profits of almost €1.6bn. According to its profits and loss accounts, the total tax due for this period was €142.6m. When a tax write-back of €34.2m last year is deducted, the total falls to just €108.4m. That represents a tax rate of just 6.8 percent.


Analysts say that many Ryanair aircraft are owned by subsidiary companies based in tax havens such as Cyprus. The aircraft are then leased back to an Irish operating company. By structuring the ownership of its aircraft in this way Ryanair is able to benefit from other countries' front-loaded capital allowances.

Ryanair is also believed to have structured the ownership of its online ticket sales operation in a way that minimises its tax bill. This is understood to be owned by a Channel Islands-registered company, which then charges the parent company a commission for every ticket sold.

Cant blame them for trying to save as much in tax as possible! It will all be wasted here anyway! the bailout, Public service, unbelievable welfare rates (where you are better of never contributing anything than actually working in alot of cases) See "Are you better off on the dole on tv 3 tonight"! In alot of ways he is exactly what we need, someone who will bring a reality check, slash costs, make ireland competitive again!

aidan24326

dooferoaks wrote: »

Nothing he does is for the benefit of anyone but himself.

Of course he does things for himself, he wanted to be a success in business and he made a pretty good job of it by any standards. But what he's done has also been of benefit to us all in the shape of far more affordable air travel to the UK and Europe. Anyone who grew up in the 80s like me will remember the days when even flying to London was very expensive.

In contrast, much of what our ruling politicians have done over the last 15 years has been to the benefit of themselves and their favoured cronies.

And bear in mind that Michael O'Leary capped his own salary at 250K per year*, even when Ryanair was raking in the profits (he could feasibly and even justifiably have paid himself considerably more given their success). Contrast that with the culture of obscene pay levels that existed in our disgraced banks and for the top executives in poorly performing semi-state companies. (as an example the head of ESB gets 750K plus bonuses).

*a good salary of course, but for the CEO of a well-performing and profitable major company it's far from excessive when compared with the crazy salaries others were paying themselves

Jaysoose

HE is suitable to save the country because running a cheap airline is simliar to running a country how?

Oleary would come in and within a week of his cuts the entire public service would be on the streets.

RichardAnd

Jaysoose wrote: »

HE is suitable to save the country because running a cheap airline is simliar to running a country how?

Oleary would come in and within a week of his cuts the entire public service would be on the streets.

I agree. Though Ireland is a badly run country, realitive to Europe at least, people thinking that O'Leary would be suitable to sit at the helm instead is exactly the attitude that allows parties like FF to get into power. As I have always said, FF are not the problem inself, the problem is the Irish peoples' collect inability to be rational, thoughtful and/or astute. We can only elect a manifestation of ourselves, improve as a people and we will get better governments.

Any, as to O'Leary, consider his recent opinions on social welfare. Allow me to para phrase.

"The dole should be half what it is now, and after six months people should be told to go out and get a job!"

Of course, all of that was delivered with his normal tact and eloquent manner of speaking :rolleyes:

Whilst I do not disagree that social welfare should be looked at in some form, suggestions like this show how out of touch the man is with the world. A true leader needs to be able to see what is needed on every level, O'Leary knows what's needed to run a buisness but society isn't a buisness. Thus, I deduce he should be left to run his airline and pass churlish and infantile comments when the mood strikes him.

Jaysoose

RichardAnd wrote: »

I agree. Though Ireland is a badly run country, realitive to Europe at least, people thinking that O'Leary would be suitable to sit at the helm instead is exactly the attitude that allows parties like FF to get into power. As I have always said, FF are not the problem inself, the problem is the Irish peoples' collect inability to be rational, thoughtful and/or astute. We can only elect a manifestation of ourselves, improve as a people and we will get better governments.

Any, as to O'Leary, consider his recent opinions on social welfare. Allow me to para phrase.

"The dole should be half what it is now, and after six months people should be told to go out and get a job!"

Of course, all of that was delivered with his normal tact and eloquent manner of speaking :rolleyes:

Whilst I do not disagree that social welfare should be looked at in some form, suggestions like this show how out of touch the man is with the world. A true leader needs to be able to see what is needed on every level, O'Leary knows what's needed to run a buisness but society isn't a buisness. Thus, I deduce he should be left to run his airline and pass churlish and infantile comments when the mood strikes him.

Cant agree more really its easy for a man like oleary to make sweeping statements about how the dole should be given out, the man is no doubt clever and runs his business well but the manner in which ryanair operates is not suitable to run a country.

Look at booking a flight and the purposely misleading way the different options are laid and questions phrased, they are designed to catch people out and add charges.

"select your country of residence" = Do you want travel insurance in ryanair speak.

If people want oleary in charge of the country they need their heads looked at the man is abrasive and has recently been proven to be a liar regarding an incident in luton airport. Is this the sort of person we want in charge?

not for me thanks.

Idbatterim

If the costs of doing business and welfare rates here were lower, more people would be employed it would be win, win!

Fussgangerzone

Anonymous1987 wrote: »

Aer Lingus is Ryanair's only competition for a large number of routes in Ireland. Allowing the merger would introduce a monopoly on these routes and remove the incentive to keep prices low impacting not only on consumers but also the Irish tourist industry.


http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/07/893

Stop thinking clearly, you're ruining it! I also want to put him in charge of the HSE, the ESB and my ma.

seadnamac

dan_d wrote: »

No he could not.
He is a business man and a fairly ruthless one at that. He is not a man to be let near the running of a country.

RichardAnd wrote: »

Putting O'Leary in charge is a suggestion that belongs on Live line or Front line. The man may be able to run an airline but put him in charge of the country and he would do everything possible to suit himself, not what is good for the country.

The OP suggested that O'Leary take charge of Aer Lingus and Terminal 2. I was unaware that this amounted to running the country. Someone should tell Enda Kenny that he has a couple of weeks to brush up on his knowledge of the airline industry...

Idbatterim

Dole should be cut down the longer you are on it, after maybe 18-24 months to absolute subsistence (maybe 50-60% of full rate), the money that is saved can be used to cut employers PRSI, introduce a jobs stimulus etc! the same with more money for kid 3+, I think it could be better spent on better education facilities, smaller class sizes, ensuring kids dont drop out of school etc...

Wild_Dogger

macbrada wrote: »

Michael o Leary could save ireland from this economic mess if.......


......fill this country with tens of millions ,from the Americas and all over Europe.

You need to fill the country with hundreds of thousands of millions to sort the mess out , and there's more bad news in the pipeline ...... just when you think you know the level of banking debts .......

enda1

I'd rather that he got terminal 1 to be honest. At least put the budget airline into the budget terminal.