Are we going to fly on chinese aircrafts?

zom

Ryanair may spend billions on cheap Chinese jets:
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ryanair-may-spend-billions-on-cheap-chinese-jets-2527367.html

They are talking about Comac C-919:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Comac_C-919.jpg

Run_to_da_hills

Russian made aircraft. :eek:

Aeroflot fly Airbus for a reason. .

kippy

I suspect, like all ryanair do, its a ploy for a bit more free advertising and doubles up as a nice little bargaining stick to use with Boeing/Airbus to get them to reduce their prices.

Plowman

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Garseys

No one knows how much the aftersale price is on these Chinese/Russian jets whereas the 737-800's are a valuable commodity amongst Airlines and don't depreciate that quickly.

In other words, It's Ryanair talking a load of ****e hoping to get Boeing back on the negotiation table.

kippy

Garseys wrote: »

No one knows how much the aftersale price is on these Chinese/Russian jets whereas the 737-800's are a valuable commodity amongst Airlines and don't depreciate that quickly.

In other words, It's Ryanair talking a load of ****e hoping to get Boeing back on the negotiation table.

As well as the post I made above, just one thing to remember.
We probably fly on 50% "made in china/india/far east/ planes already when you think of where most of the electronics were more than likely manufactured.

tfitzgerald

Chinese aircraft maybe but I would not be thrilled about flying in a Russian aircraft

Zyox

jimmycrackcorm

Having remembered Ladas being here I don't think that for a second that Ryanair will be buying russian aircraft. At least we know the chinese aircraft will be copies of the Boeings.

David086

God help us! :eek::eek: *blesses self*

Steyr

Zyox wrote: »

What a failure whoever made that MEME, A-10 ftw.

Tenger

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Chinese aircraft maybe but I would not be thrilled about flying in a Russian aircraft

These new aircraft will undergo the same testing and certification as any other manufacturer to be allowed operate in the EU. Also these 2 designs are not pushing any boundaries, there are essentially copies of the current A320/B737 design philosophy. It shouldn't be too hard for Russia/PRC to do so with their native talent/experience.

One of the reasons we do not see Soviet era aircraft in Europe is that they do not comply with EU regulations so are not permitted here. Thus Aeroflot have B767/A320/A310s etc for flights to EU/USA but they still have their Illuyshin/Tupolov's on their domestic routes.

Garseys wrote: »

No one knows how much the aftersale price is on these Chinese/Russian jets whereas the 737-800's are a valuable commodity amongst Airlines and don't depreciate that quickly.

This to my mind is a big thing.
Looking at the current FR model we see them selling on their B738s relatively quickly. In 2018-2020 will there be a market for 100-200 used MS21's/C919's?

I don't think this is just a negotiating ploy against Boeing. In truth if the C919 has sufficient cost benefits over the B738/A320NEO/Boeing Y1 then FR would be right to go for it.

Who knows what their fleet policy will be in 5-8 years?

In 2014-2020 we will also see the A320NEO in the market, Boeing should be working on their new design (Y1) to replace the B737NG. But you never know, by 2018 the MS21/C919 may be a proven design with more variants enroute.

bladeruner

Rule 1 : Never ever believe anything you read in the independent newspaper.
It stopped being a credible broadsheet years.

Full of wasters opinions and zero facts.
Just give me the facts and I'll make up my own mind thanks...

mickdw

Its all crap IMO. Regardless of certification etc, the public opinion of chinese aircraft would be that they are cheap & untried and they would therefore question safety. Of course the public would be right when it comes to the cheap bit of their assumption thus reinforcing their opinion. I think it would kill the ryanair business.
Its surely just a stick to hit boeing with though.

CACC are not the best initials for an aircraft maker either.

Plowman

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mayotom

mickdw wrote: »

CACC are not the best initials for an aircraft maker either.

CACC is not used by them they are known as ComAC.

When the boeing negotiations broke down I had a discussion with somebody along the lines of this article, I certainly think that it would make sense for Ryanair to go down this route, I would have no concerns about getting on one of these aircraft, certainly no more than getting on a DC/MD aircraft.

My only concern would be weather the could produce enough of them to meet Ryanairs demand. Both aircraft are not due for delivery until 2016 and have quiet a few orders to fill already the Irkut MS-21 has 146 orders and 39 options since June 2010 which is up there with Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 the MS-21 is also closely linked to the Sukhoi superjet 100 which is been introduced this year, These aircraft are built to the highest standards with the same technology as Airbus and Boeing, with the same engines and the same Avionics but for half the price and

The designer plans that the MS-21 will be 10-15% more efficient than Airbus and Boeing aircraft in the same class and it will have a 15% structural weight efficiency advantage, 20% lower operating costs, and 15% lower fuel consumption than the Airbus A320 with an initial target price of 35 Million US$.

As for the C919 it is also built using technology from the wests leading aviation suppliers no less than 19 US and European suppliers

Comac of China and United Aircraft Corporation РУССКИЙ english of Russia are a force to be reckoned with in future civil aviation manufacture

mayotom

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Having remembered Ladas being here I don't think that for a second that Ryanair will be buying russian aircraft. At least we know the chinese aircraft will be copies of the Boeings.

That was the 80's remember the Fiats/Kia/Hyundai/Renault/Datsun(Nissan) of the 80's yes they were crap and people wouldn't have been seen dead in them, move on a few years things have changed

in those days the Russia had some of the most tecnologically advanced Aircraft/Spacecraft/Weapons in the world, now they have taken the best of their own and the best of the west to come up with high quality aircraft.

in fact they own large chunks of airbus, Renault, Fiat, Opel to name a few

The Chinese company Geely own Volvo(Motor and Aviation) often known as the safest cars in the world

xflyer

Still wouldn't be seen dead in any of the car manufacturers mentioned except Volvo whose reputation was gained when it was a Swedish company, now it's a trade name in a multinational company.

As for Ryanair buying Chinese, well they already do. Every Boeing has components manufactured in China right now. So it's no big jump. However it will be largely aimed at the Chinese market and no doubt people will hold off ordering until it's established in service with internal Chinese airlines.

Bearcat

smoke and mirrors folks, O'Leary hates not to be invited to the bargaining table....Boeing got shafted in the post 9/11 deal and Michael gloated on it......Boeing will never forgive him for this. John Leahy director of sales at airbus is a wiley and cunning fox. He aint going to play Michaels game of giveaway 320's, his order book is full with margains thrown in.....no margains with what Michael has to offer so until MO'L comes back to the table with an offer that satifies the manufactuers he'll be talking to the chinese/russians all right.....will he buy russian aircraft? no