what bulls for spring

tismesoitis

what beef bulls are ye thinking of using for d spring. going to try breed more replacements so think i'l use more lim. have some tko six and wil get fl21 and haltclife underwriter

bogman_bass

ADX and FL25 are two fine looking bulls.
Fl21 I'm hearing excelent reports about
CVV has good maternal traits

on the blue front, a blue that has been forgotten about but is in the top 1% for weaning is NOV and he is average for calving.

I saw some excellent pedigree calves from the parthenaise CBQ recently so might use a couple of straws of him

Bodacious

bogman_bass wrote: »

ADX and FL25 are two fine looking bulls.
Fl21 I'm hearing excelent reports about
CVV has good maternal traits

on the blue front, a blue that has been forgotten about but is in the top 1% for weaning is NOV and he is average for calving.

I saw some excellent pedigree calves from the parthenaise CBQ recently so might use a couple of straws of him

The parthenaise tickle my fancy too please see attched Part X heifer i think they are class

johnpawl

Bodacious wrote: »

The parthenaise tickle my fancy too please see attched Part X heifer i think they are class

Ya, i like them as well. I've two pedigree heifers comin later in the year hope they as good as they seem. In relation to bulls I was thinking of trying a couple of straws from the parthenaise - sire X (IRX) on a couple of my cows. Anyone know anything about him or see any calves??

cowman

Sirex is lovely bull, throwing calves that develop plenty of muscle however if you have very muscly cows i would stay away if your are not around all day to supervise...parthenaise are a breed i have been looking at alot recently and am very impressed! if looking at parthenaise probably safer to use on a milkier cow to start with incase the resulting cross hasnt adequate milk herself...wot type cows have you?? also sansonnet (snx) is a serious bull for show cattle and is sold by eurogene

johnpawl

cowman wrote: »

Sirex is lovely bull, throwing calves that develop plenty of muscle however if you have very muscly cows i would stay away if your are not around all day to supervise...parthenaise are a breed i have been looking at alot recently and am very impressed! if looking at parthenaise probably safer to use on a milkier cow to start with incase the resulting cross hasnt adequate milk herself...wot type cows have you?? also sansonnet (snx) is a serious bull for show cattle and is sold by eurogene

I've heard that sansonnet is hard calved, thats why I'm avoiding him..Cows arent muscley, I've 3 piemontese x cows that usually have decent calves and was thinkin of tryin on them..Worth a shot anyway! Wonder will parthenaise become more popular in next few years...I plan to breed off those pedigree heifers, they have excellent bloodlines so we'll see what happens...

cowman

johnpawl wrote: »

I've heard that sansonnet is hard calved, thats why I'm avoiding him..Cows arent muscley, I've 3 piemontese x cows that usually have decent calves and was thinkin of tryin on them..Worth a shot anyway! Wonder will parthenaise become more popular in next few years...I plan to breed off those pedigree heifers, they have excellent bloodlines so we'll see what happens...

With the quality of their stock its hard to believe they havent a big presence already...a board member told me that the limousin society is putting them down alot and that isnt helping but I'd take that with a pinch of salt! I have a relation who has crossbreds and alothough he prefers them to the limo still thinks you need a top bull...

Bizzum

We have some smashing calves off Brigadeer the Lim, so he is being used again this year.
We are using Archibeau FL22 on heifers.
We have used the Simm Newry.
On the Charolais We used last year, Excellent, Roundhill Doc, Alkazar and Fury Action.

Pat the lad

I use alot of AI in recent years - frequency and use of bull has changed from year to year but in general these are the bulls I have used since moving to AI 100%.
On the Limousin front I have used Archibeau FL22, Fieldson Alfy & Queenshead Altea and Teddy on heifiers, have been using Vivaldi, Panda. Lino,Brigadeer & Milbrook Dartangon on some cows - have used Haltcliffe Dancer this year - son of Sympa - so should bring good shape.

On the Simmental front, I have used See view Tommy , DRU, TSO (Next years calves) and Samark Superman - have some lovely X Lim cows after him, then on the rest of the cows I use BB - the usual more popular ones - ELZ, BBQ,SPX, AVD,EDJ,ETB, GAU (next years calves) and a Blonde bull Whitefield Leader (Next years claves).

The Father and I used to keep a stock bull, but very hard to get one to match all types of cows - that why I have gone 99% AI - Its expesive enough - although you can deal with them when buying a large number of straws - plus take out the cost of keeping a bull or 2!!!! I have found the quality of stock - both weanlings and cows has improved greatly.

pakalasa

Bulls used so far
Limousin - MBU, NIN,SIX,FL21,NHL
Simm - HKG, IS4
Char - PTE, HWN
BB - FHZ

I mix them around a bit. If I get a great weanling from a particular bull, I use him again on the cow. Bit of a hobby, I guess.

iano93

Bizzum wrote: »

We have some smashing calves off Brigadeer the Lim, so he is being used again this year.
We are using Archibeau FL22 on heifers.
We have used the Simm Newry.
On the Charolais We used last year, Excellent, Roundhill Doc, Alkazar and Fury Action.

Howd ya find FL22 i'v a heifer, shes has a fine huge mother so she should be wide and milky too:D, (SIM X AA) in calf to him supposed to very easy calved but good?
Then the plan is BB what BB bull ye using which are reasonably easily calved?:rolleyes:

Bizzum

We only used FL22 for the first time last backend so won't have calves 'till autumn. Heard good things about him too, maybe someone on here has calves on the ground?
Prior to last backend we were using on heifers, Landais, Sterling, and Sirex on one.
It's several years since I've used a BB now, I found they lacked consistency both calving and quality wise, but did have some smashers!

Bodacious

iano93 wrote: »

Howd ya find FL22 i'v a heifer, shes has a fine huge mother so she should be wide and milky too:D, (SIM X AA) in calf to him supposed to very easy calved but good?
Then the plan is BB what BB bull ye using which are reasonably easily calved?:rolleyes:

Same as yourself are waiting on heifers to calve to this Archibeau FL22, heard nothing but good things about him, easy calved and meant to come into good weanlings.

For second calf id go for the easier calving blues to be safe... the likes of EDJ, CGG AVD, ETB should do the finest:)

Bizzum

Bodacious wrote: »

The parthenaise tickle my fancy too please see attched Part X heifer i think they are class

Will you bull this heifer?

ceannfort

Bizzum wrote: »

We have some smashing calves off Brigadeer the Lim, so he is being used again this year.
We are using Archibeau FL22 on heifers.
We have used the Simm Newry.
On the Charolais We used last year, Excellent, Roundhill Doc, Alkazar and Fury Action.

What do you think of the charolais bulls you've used. use Dovea a lot and the most constistent bull i find is NAP but haven't tried any of the above.

Bizzum

ceannfort wrote: »

What do you think of the charolais bulls you've used. use Dovea a lot and the most constistent bull i find is NAP but haven't tried any of the above.

We have no calves from Roundhill Doc or Fury Action yet. I bought straws of both for their bloodlines, their Eurostar rating, and Calving ease, in the case of R Doc.

We have several calves off Alcazar. Again I bought him on his lines. Sire and dam are impressive and 5* for milk.
I like his calves. He seems to bring a little size. Plenty of thickness and body. Interesting to see how they go, particularly 2 very good heifers.
His calves are very very docile. In the shed they nearly want you to come over to them for a scratch, very easily handled.

johnpawl

Bizzum wrote: »

We only used FL22 for the first time last backend so won't have calves 'till autumn. Heard good things about him too, maybe someone on here has calves on the ground?
Prior to last backend we were using on heifers, Landais, Sterling, and Sirex on one.
It's several years since I've used a BB now, I found they lacked consistency both calving and quality wise, but did have some smashers!

How'd Sirex work out for you?Easy calved?

Bizzum

We only have one Sirex calf, out ot a Newry(Simm) heifer. Calved unassisted. Lovely shapey thick little calf. I will certainly try him again.

Bodacious

Bizzum wrote: »

Will you bull this heifer?

Hi Bizzum,

She is not my heifer she in the cross bred section of the parthenaise society's photos on facebook a guy in kilrush co. clare has her and in answer to you question if i had bought her would i bull her? Yes.. she on the muscley side but easy calving lm like FL22 to start. Would you bull her?;)

Juniorhurler

Bodacious wrote: »

Hi Bizzum,

She is not my heifer she in the cross bred section of the parthenaise society's photos on facebook a guy in kilrush co. clare has her and in answer to you question if i had bought her would i bull her? Yes.. she on the muscley side but easy calving lm like FL22 to start. Would you bull her?;)

Don't know about Bizzum but I'd throw a limosin on her too and see how she calved. Be hoping for a heifer as a replacement too.

Bizzum

Why I asked was because we had a very similar looking Lim heifer by Navarin out of a BAX cow and I thought long and hard about bulling her. But I didn't.
We have 2 serious Jaguar LIm heifers both out of BA Landais Cows and they are going to the bull soon!
It's a fine point knowing where to stop with these muscled type heifers from the breeding point of view!
For me it's important to retain milk. A cow that can't rear her own calf is no good to me.

Bodacious

Bizzum wrote: »

Why I asked was because we had a very similar looking Lim heifer by Navarin out of a BAX cow and I thought long and hard about bulling her. But I didn't.
We have 2 serious Jaguar LIm heifers both out of BA Landais Cows and they are going to the bull soon!
It's a fine point knowing where to stop with these muscled type heifers from the breeding point of view!
For me it's important to retain milk. A cow that can't rear her own calf is no good to me.

I'll come clean I contacted the owner of this heifer through facebook once i saw her to see was she for sale ... i get mad notions at times but i would want to see her in the flesh and the dam's type, size, pelvis, milkiness etc before i'd definitely buy her to bull.

Anyways he took weeks to come back to me but said by all means to come to a mart where he'd have 20 of them for sale - Date/time didnt suit would have preferred to take a roadtrip at the weekend and see cow she out of etc!

Will have to breed my own parthenaise rep heifer instead!:)