reporting bfor going abroad?

merlinwizard

i might as well ask my question in a more delicate way as some people are just impossible.

someone nicely told me that if u r on jobseekers allowance, u r entitled to 12 days holidays, may be taken abroad, now does this rule apply to the dependent? can the dependent take more than 12 days? if i was to take up to 3 or 4 weeks holidays and not entitled to the 1 or 2 week pay, no problem. ill be much happier spending another week with my relatives abroad.

thx in advance for all ur kind replies

Victor

I don't think there is a problem with a few days, but I imagine they would want to know if it went over a week or if you missed a collection / signing date.

blossom180

merlinwizard wrote: »

hi,

my husband is receiving jobseekers allowance at the minute, and im the dependent. if i was to go abroad on my own to visit relative etc, do i have to let the welfare know? is there a limit of duration for me to leave ireland? ive asked the welfare if as a dependent i need to attend the signing every month, she said no just my husband as the claimer.

in the case where my husband does go abroad with me, does he have to let the welfare know?

share pls, thx in advance

your husband is allowed 12 days holidays.he has to let the welfare know when he is going and his money will be there when you come back.

merlinwizard

Victor wrote: »

I don't think there is a problem with a few days, but I imagine they would want to know if it went over a week or if you missed a collection / signing date.

since it takes about 20 hrs to get to where im going and i havent been for nearly 2 yrs, im planning to stay for a month. as i have stated, i did ask welfare office if i need to attend the signing on (i am a dependent, my husband is the claimer, so his signature only), they said no, only my husband as the original claimer. as for collection, my husband collects it (providing he doesnt go abroad with me).

since i dont need to sign, i should be alright shouldnt i

merlinwizard

blossom180 wrote: »

your husband is allowed 12 days holidays.he has to let the welfare know when he is going and his money will be there when you come back.

thx for the info, what if he was to go more than 12 days? is that impossible or?

eastbono

merlinwizard wrote: »

since it takes about 20 hrs to get to where im going and i havent been for nearly 2 yrs, im planning to stay for a month. as i have stated, i did ask welfare office if i need to attend the signing on (i am a dependent, my husband is the claimer, so his signature only), they said no, only my husband as the original claimer. as for collection, my husband collects it (providing he doesnt go abroad with me).

since i dont need to sign, i should be alright shouldnt i

how long are you going abroad for... tbh your husband should let welfare know your are going for a month...and he should provide evidence that you have come back into the country... for all welfare know you are resident in the other country and your husband is claiming illegally for you in ireland

merlinwizard

eastbono wrote: »

how long are you going abroad for... tbh your husband should let welfare know your are going for a month...and he should provide evidence that you have come back into the country... for all welfare know you are resident in the other country and your husband is claiming illegally for you in ireland

the place im going to is 20 hrs away, and i havent been for 2 yrs. so it would be nice to stay for abt a month. if i have to let them know, no problem. if i have to show my face when i come back, no problem at all. i am a resident in ireland - i have all the docs to prove it - i can tell u A to Z about being a resident in Ireland - do u think id even get as little as a PPS number if i wasnt a resident here?, i always go to sign every month, eventho i dont do anything and im not needed as im only the dependent, i just want to visit some relatives abroad, jeez.

i havent done anything illegal in any country and im not about to. thats y i even asked for advice in the first place.

eastbono

merlinwizard wrote: »

the place im going to is 20 hrs away, and i havent been for 2 yrs. so it would be nice to stay for abt a month. if i have to let them know, no problem. if i have to show my face when i come back, no problem at all. i am a resident in ireland - i have all the docs to prove it - i can tell u A to Z about being a resident in Ireland - do u think id even get as little as a PPS number if i wasnt a resident here?, i always go to sign every month, eventho i dont do anything and im not needed as im only the dependent, i just want to visit some relatives abroad, jeez.

i havent done anything illegal in any country and im not about to. thats y i even asked for advice in the first place.

im not saying ur doing anything illegal ok...and tbh a pps number does not mean that your are an irish citizen and dont jump on me for that i dont see any problem with you going abroad but i do think you should let welfare know... i cant understand why u have to go and be there every month when ur oh signs... can you explain this

mrsbyrne

merlinwizard wrote: »

the place im going to is 20 hrs away, and i havent been for 2 yrs. so it would be nice to stay for abt a month. if i have to let them know, no problem. if i have to show my face when i come back, no problem at all. i am a resident in ireland - i have all the docs to prove it - i can tell u A to Z about being a resident in Ireland - do u think id even get as little as a PPS number if i wasnt a resident here?, i always go to sign every month, eventho i dont do anything and im not needed as im only the dependent, i just want to visit some relatives abroad, jeez.

i havent done anything illegal in any country and im not about to. thats y i even asked for advice in the first place.

merlinwizard i think something is being lost in the translation, or maybe you should take a chillpill?eastbono is giving you excellent advice. your husband gets a payment for you every week based on the assumption that you are living in ireland, and at least to some degree, dependent financially on him. if you disappear for a while and your disappearance comes to the attention of sw it may cause some grief. simples. nowhere does eastbono accuse you of doing anything illegal1 RELAX!

merlinwizard

eastbono wrote: »

im not saying ur doing anything illegal ok...and tbh a pps number does not mean that your are an irish citizen and dont jump on me for that i dont see any problem with you going abroad but i do think you should let welfare know... i cant understand why u have to go and be there every month when ur oh signs... can you explain this

i didnt say pps number means irish citizen, i said do u think theyd give me one if i wasnt a resident, resident and citizen r very different fyi. be where every month?? the dole office?

merlinwizard

mrsbyrne wrote: »

merlinwizard i think something is being lost in the translation, or maybe you should take a chillpill?eastbono is giving you excellent advice. your husband gets a payment for you every week based on the assumption that you are living in ireland, and at least to some degree, dependent financially on him. if you disappear for a while and your disappearance comes to the attention of sw it may cause some grief. simples. nowhere does eastbono accuse you of doing anything illegal1 RELAX!

i think u r lost and u should take a noneofyourbusiness pill. if some1 gives me an actual advice, instead of judgment, ill make sure its greatly appreciated. but if its not an advice, ill make sure they know that too. i asked first time, do i have to let them know if i go abroad, MEANING i do hv the intention to let them know if its required. now u RELAX and take some of ur period pill

eastbono

merlinwizard wrote: »

i didnt say pps number means irish citizen, i said do u think theyd give me one if i wasnt a resident, resident and citizen r very different fyi. be where every month?? the dole office?

pps does not mean you are a resident and fyi it just means your can work in the country once you have a stamp 4....you still have not explained why you have to be with your husband when he signs on every month... you did say you have to be there.. why???....

merlinwizard

eastbono wrote: »

pps does not mean you are a resident and fyi it just means your can work in the country once you have a stamp 4....you still have not explained why you have to be with your husband when he signs on every month... you did say you have to be there.. why???....

oh god spare me, i know all abt stamps, immigration regulation and all.

i never said i had to be there. i said i was always there. why do u really wanna know anyway.

eastbono

merlinwizard wrote: »

oh god spare me, i know all abt stamps, immigration regulation and all.

i never said i had to be there. i said i was always there. why do u really wanna know anyway.

you were the person who said day one you were there when your oh signed on... it was a presumption that you had to be there... you are a very aggresive person.. tbh i refuse to answer any more of your questions as i feel you are trying to defraud the state and will report your for this.

merlinwizard

eastbono wrote: »

you were the person who said day one you were there when your oh signed on... it was a presumption that you had to be there... you are a very aggresive person.. tbh i refuse to answer any more of your questions as i feel you are trying to defraud the state and will report your for this.

do what u want. i havent done anything wrong and will not, so ull be seen as wasting government time. as u said urself, u presump.......... so happy reporting

eastbono

what goes around comes around.. end of my comments... good luck

Balagan

merlinwizard wrote: »

i might as well ask my question in a more delicate way as some people are just impossible.

someone nicely told me that if u r on jobseekers allowance, u r entitled to 12 days holidays, may be taken abroad, now does this rule apply to the dependent? can the dependent take more than 12 days? if i was to take up to 3 or 4 weeks holidays and not entitled to the 1 or 2 week pay, no problem. ill be much happier spending another week with my relatives abroad.

thx in advance for all ur kind replies

You may receive Jobseeker's Benefit or Jobseeker's Allowance for two weeks holidays (i.e. 12 days excluding Sundays) in any calendar year. These holidays may be taken abroad.

If you intend going on holidays abroad, you should inform the Local Office two weeks in advance of your departure and complete form UP 30. All holiday payments will be made retrospectively when you return. If you go on holiday for longer than two weeks, you may be paid in respect of the first two weeks, but will not receive payment for any period abroad in excess of this.

The qualified adult of a person in receipt of Jobseeker's Benefit may take up to two weeks' foreign holiday. A disqualification in respect of the increase for a qualified adult will be imposed in respect of any period in excess of 2 weeks. It is not necessary to complete a UP30 in respect of a qualified adult.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/jajbfaq.aspx#q22

merlinwizard

Balagan wrote: »

You may receive Jobseeker's Benefit or Jobseeker's Allowance for two weeks holidays (i.e. 12 days excluding Sundays) in any calendar year. These holidays may be taken abroad.

If you intend going on holidays abroad, you should inform the Local Office two weeks in advance of your departure and complete form UP 30. All holiday payments will be made retrospectively when you return. If you go on holiday for longer than two weeks, you may be paid in respect of the first two weeks, but will not receive payment for any period abroad in excess of this.

The qualified adult of a person in receipt of Jobseeker's Benefit may take up to two weeks' foreign holiday. A disqualification in respect of the increase for a qualified adult will be imposed in respect of any period in excess of 2 weeks. It is not necessary to complete a UP30 in respect of a qualified adult.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/jajbfaq.aspx#q22

thx balagan. this is a great help

m'lady

Why did you post a question and then totally rip a person apart for trying to give you advice? It's people like you who turn off the likes of me and many more from giving advice.

I actually think your comments were the most rude and aggressive I have ever seen on Boards, which is a shame as its a great,informative site, really more like a community than a site.

I just hope you have not turned the poor person who was trying to advise you from helping others as he/she seemed to know what they were talking about, unlike you sadly.

billy the squid

Moderator intervention time

First, use correct spellings, or at least try, this text speak gobbleddegook is nigh on impossible to read. any more gibberish and there will be bans.

merlinwizard: There is a requirement to inform the social welfare if you are leaving the country temporarily. This is what people are telling you - don't be getting all offended bout being told this. they are not judging you.

merlinwizard

billy the squid wrote: »

Moderator intervention time

First, use correct spellings, or at least try, this text speak gobbleddegook is nigh on impossible to read. any more gibberish and there will be bans.

merlinwizard: There is a requirement to inform the social welfare if you are leaving the country temporarily. This is what people are telling you - don't be getting all offended bout being told this. they are not judging you.

thx for all input and advise, my questions been answered. i do apologise if i was too sensitive on some issues. i probably misunderstood some words and wasnt in the best mood.

i have been judged and smirked at for being on the dole, its not something i choose to do but i havent been fortunate in getting work. this is probably why i was so worked up.

thanks again

Kathy Jane

Hi, I am interested in the same question of holiday allowance specifically for JSA (not JSB) adult dependants. I could not find any definitive info on that, so I dropped into the closest SWO branch (which happened to be not the branch I am registered in) for a general enquiry.

The receptionist did not know for sure, so she went in and consulted with case officers, came back and said that JSA adult dependants do not have holiday restrictions and can travel as they like. That the restriction is only for the recepient. But she also said that I would have to let my office know anyway.

So, I went and let know my office. They asked me for travel dates, made me sign the form, even though I was not travelling myself, only my dependant, and said that the JSA adult dependant also have 2 weeks restriction, the rest they do not pay because the person is not in the country. And when he is back, he has to report to the SWO next day with his id.

So, now I am more confused then before. I wonder, does anyone here have a first hand experience with this when your dependant is travelling, you inform the office and what do they tell you? Because it seems to me that the opinion varies from branch to branch, so who has the right information? Thanks for all your replies to this.

cee_jay

Balagan wrote: »

You may receive Jobseeker's Benefit or Jobseeker's Allowance for two weeks holidays (i.e. 12 days excluding Sundays) in any calendar year. These holidays may be taken abroad.

If you intend going on holidays abroad, you should inform the Local Office two weeks in advance of your departure and complete form UP 30. All holiday payments will be made retrospectively when you return. If you go on holiday for longer than two weeks, you may be paid in respect of the first two weeks, but will not receive payment for any period abroad in excess of this.

The qualified adult of a person in receipt of Jobseeker's Benefit may take up to two weeks' foreign holiday. A disqualification in respect of the increase for a qualified adult will be imposed in respect of any period in excess of 2 weeks. It is not necessary to complete a UP30 in respect of a qualified adult.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/jajbfaq.aspx#q22

Kathy Jane, see the link Balagan has quoted above from www.welfare.ie. The 2 weeks holiday is for qualified adult also. Your own office is correct.

Kathy Jane

Yes, thanks. It is just that the guideline speaks particularly about JSB and not JSA. And this makes it somewhat unclear. But then it is apparent from my case that it in fact probably apply to both.

cee_jay

Generally the same conditions apply for both schemes. The only difference is one is based on contributions, and the other is means tested.

Balagan

Kathy Jane wrote: »

Yes, thanks. It is just that the guideline speaks particularly about JSB and not JSA. And this makes it somewhat unclear. But then it is apparent from my case that it in fact probably apply to both.

The guideline specifies both.

You may receive Jobseeker's Benefit or Jobseeker's Allowance for two weeks holidays (i.e. 12 days excluding Sundays) in any calendar year. These holidays may be taken abroad...

lemarquis

Can anyone confirm what is meant by 2 weeks in any calendar year? Does that mean that if you are on benefit you could have 2 weeks in November and then 2 weeks in January?

I had 2 last Easter in late April 2011 - but with it being a moveable feast next Easter will be less than 12 months afterwards. I would like to be able to book another family holiday but cannot risk having my benefit stopped

eastbono

lemarquis wrote: »

Can anyone confirm what is meant by 2 weeks in any calendar year? Does that mean that if you are on benefit you could have 2 weeks in November and then 2 weeks in January?

I had 2 last Easter in late April 2011 - but with it being a moveable feast next Easter will be less than 12 months afterwards. I would like to be able to book another family holiday but cannot risk having my benefit stopped

Holiday year for SW if January-December. As you have already taken the 2 weeks paid holidays for 2011 you will be unable to take paid holidays again until January 2012.