22-250 or 243

declan1980

a mate of mine is looking into getting into deer stalking, and is unsure of which caliber would be best.
he wants a dual purpose rifle for both deer and foxes, and doesn't want to spend a fortune running it.
can anyone with experience of either caliber give me an idea of the price of the rounds for each caliber, and tell me if there would be a difference in price between calibers of the same model gun

stick shooter

Your friend would be best go with the .243 in my opinion , Talking around 33euro for a box of hornady 100 gr btsp .

Tackleberrywho

declan1980 wrote: »

a mate of mine is looking into getting into deer stalking, and is unsure of which caliber would be best.
he wants a dual purpose rifle for both deer and foxes, and doesn't want to spend a fortune running it.
can anyone with experience of either caliber give me an idea of the price of the rounds for each caliber, and tell me if there would be a difference in price between calibers of the same model gun

Get the .243 as he has options of a lease.
The .22-250 is a dying breed
Very few use it for hunting Deer these days.

Duffy in Galway http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_15_47_48&products_id=183&zenid=676c639632aa430881aa999477a9751c for .22-250 €30.87
Hornady .243 €33

rugerman

both have same ammo price from 27-35euro if hes going at the deer better off with the 243 great round but as for the 22-250 id dissagree of it being a dying breed as i have one myself but they will be fazzed out for deer shooting in the next year or 2 i cant get over the accuracy of the 22-250 and ive got plenty deer with mine all headshots i mite add as ive seen deer run a long way after 180grain 30-06 at the end of the day its all down to shot placment not the calibre. (legal calibre)

Tackleberrywho

rugerman wrote: »

both have same ammo price from 27-35euro if hes going at the deer better off with the 243 great round but as for the 22-250 id dissagree of it being a dying breed as i have one myself but they will be fazzed out for deer shooting in the next year or 2 i cant get over the accuracy of the 22-250 and ive got plenty deer with mine all headshots i mite add as ive seen deer run a long way after 180grain 30-06 at the end of the day its all down to shot placment not the calibre. (legal calibre)

Only a handfull of ammo is legit for Deer in .22-250, whereas all ammo is legit in .243 for deer.

I'm not sure was it last year or this year I first saw the 1700ft/lbs being mentioned

rugerman

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Only a handfull of ammo is legit for Deer in .22-250, whereas all ammo is legit in .243 for deer.

I'm not sure was it last year or this year I first saw the 1700ft/lbs being mentioned

ye it was a 69 grain bullet they wanted for deer shooting and with the 1-14 twist wouldnt stabilise imo

stick shooter

rugerman wrote: »

ye it was a 69 grain bullet they wanted for deer shooting and with the 1-14 twist wouldnt stabilise imo

Most 1/14 twist 22-250 wont stabilise the 69gr . Looks like very soon the wont be a deer calibre but in some was thats good news if they bring it down to a varmint calibre . One of the most accurate rounds i ever fired at 300 yards was a 22-250 with a varmint barrel.

ejg

Rather a bit of overkill on fox than a bit of underkill on deer.
Even the 243 would be regarded too small on Sika in Germany for example.
edi

stick shooter

ejg wrote: »

Rather a bit of overkill on fox than a bit of underkill on deer.
Even the 243 would be regarded too small on Sika in Germany for example.
edi

Not being smart, but thank god we are not in germany noting wrong with the .243

It wasn't me!

The 1700 ft/lb demand has been in law since 1976, so it's not a new thing.

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

The 1700 ft/lb demand has been in law since 1976, so it's not a new thing.

It's a new thing on the application.

My first application was in the late 90's and I have only seen it in the last year or so.

Prior to this it only stated min of .22-250 with 55grain on application form which was never queried.

You would notice most guys only had issues in the last couple of seasons with .22-250

stick shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

It's a new thing on the application.

My first application was in the late 90's and I have only seen it in the last year or so.

Prior to this it only stated min of .22-250 with 55grain on application form which was never queried.

You would notice most guys only had issues in the last couple of seasons with .22-250

There is a few new things on applications and section 42s . On section 42s it states from .243 and above .

FISMA

rugerman wrote: »

both have same ammo price from 27-35euro if hes going at the deer better off with the 243 great round but as for the 22-250 id dissagree of it being a dying breed as i have one myself but they will be fazzed out for deer shooting in the next year or 2 i cant get over the accuracy of the 22-250 and ive got plenty deer with mine all headshots (legal calibre)

RugerMan,
I was agreeing with you wrt to the 22-250. In my day they were known as a barrel-burner, I still love them.

However, then you went on to say

rugerman wrote: »

i mite add as ive seen deer run a long way after 180grain 30-06

Having owned, shot, and loved both, the only place I have seen any deer hit by any 180gr 30-06 run to was their grave, usually within a few yards.

Tackleberrywho

stick shooter wrote: »

There is a few new things on applications and section 42s . On section 42s it states from .243 and above .

Last section 42 i had was 2 years ago and as far as i remember there was no mention back then, however it was 2 years ago.

I may be the nominated stalker again this year as my man is sowing Winter barley as we speak!

ejg

stick shooter wrote: »

Not being smart, but thank god we are not in germany noting wrong with the .243

We all know that a 22lr can put down a deer, is it the right tool? no
When rules about calibers are made all variables must be put in to account, statistics must be looked at, also from other countries.
Who guarantees that the 4000 Irish hunters for example are all perfect marksmen who will always choose the best shotplacement for the situtation? One has to be realistic and say it will not always happen and that's why we have to forget about talking about shotplacement and rather look at where did all the bullets actually hit the deer.

World wide the 243 is in discussion of being on the light side for larger deer, 22cf's are not in discussion as they are known to be unsuitable.


edi

stick shooter

ejg wrote: »

We all know that a 22lr can put down a deer, is it the right tool? no
When rules about calibers are made all variables must be put in to account, statistics must be looked at, also from other countries.
Who guarantees that the 4000 Irish hunters for example are all perfect marksmen who will always choose the best shotplacement for the situtation? One has to be realistic and say it will not always happen and that's why we have to forget about talking about shotplacement and rather look at where did all the bullets actually hit the deer.

World wide the 243 is in discussion of being on the light side for larger deer, 22cf's are not in discussion as they are known to be unsuitable.


The .243 calibre is excepted and regarded as quiet a good choice for deer stalking . There are many reasons why 22 cfs are not regarded as suitable not just because of muzzle energy. There is no calibre large enough to make up for an incorrectly placed shot. A deer will run off if not hit right even with a 300win mag . So its not down to a shooter not being a marksman its down to knowing limits. This gets back to ethical shooting and people taking shots they are not capable or sure of . So getting back to the op question for deer stalking the .243 is a better choice over the 22-250.