So we pay for a tv license ... a toll bridge? - whats the future?

LighterGuy

Was just thinking there about the ridiculous taxes and licenses we have to pay. Such as:

- tv license
- water charges
- toll bridge charge
- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax?
- tax for plastic bags.

Im sure you see the common theme. A large percentage of the population uses the above ...


So whats the future going to be like

License for a pc?
License for smoke in your own home?

whoopdedoo

daylight robbery? :eek:

reddevilfan

LighterGuy wrote: »

Was just thinking there about the ridiculous taxes and licenses we have to pay. Such as:

- tv license
- water charges
- toll bridge charge
- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax?
- tax for plastic bags.

Im sure you see the common theme. A large percentage of the population uses the above ...


So whats the future going to be like

License for a pc?
License for smoke in your own home?

Wow, i totally agree... we have tax on everything right down to the cent inc universal social charge..... i bet next is the air we breathe and then a tax on how many time a week/month we have sex... its ridiculous....

hondasam

reddevilfan wrote: »

Wow, i totally agree... we have tax on everything right down to the cent inc universal social charge..... i bet next is the air we breathe and then a tax on how many time a week/month we have sex... its ridiculous....

please NO I could not afford it

Professey Chin

reddevilfan wrote: »

Wow, i totally agree... we have tax on everything right down to the cent inc universal social charge..... i bet next is the air we breathe and then a tax on how many time a week/month we have sex... its ridiculous....

Like we have to worry about that one :pac:

AnonoBoy

I don't know about you guys but plenty of ladies tell me I should have a licence.....

... A Licence To Thrill!!!!

W.Shakes-Beer

Dog licence.

Wtf! Are the pigeons in the back garden licenced?

Dravokivich

Path Tax!

:eek:

Fart tax

merlie

The tax for the plastic bags is actually supposed to be a deter people from buying them as they are filling up landfills and take years to disintegrate, so I think it s a good idea.

"The charge was introduced to encourage the use of reusable bags and to change people's attitudes to litter and pollution in Ireland.

Revenue generated from the Plastic Bag Environmental Levy will go into the new Environmental Fund. This fund is used to support waste management, litter and other environmental initiatives."

dark crystal

Birth tax, payable before you're allowed to leave the hospital. This tax will rise with every new addition to your family, as each child will inevitably take up more oxygen.

patwicklow

BLINK, tax now that would bring in a few bob

poppyvalley

LighterGuy wrote: »

Was just thinking there about the ridiculous taxes and licenses we have to pay. Such as:

- tv license
- water charges
- toll bridge charge
- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax?
- tax for plastic bags.

Im sure you see the common theme. A large percentage of the population uses the above ...


So whats the future going to be like

License for a pc?
License for smoke in your own home?

these are indirect forms of taxation. Then they have the cheek to say we pay the lowest income tax in Europe

Kimono-Girl

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Like we have to worry about that one :pac:

i do :eek:

deathrider

Air in a can is next one the list, I'd reckon.

The TV license one really pisses me off though. Why do I need a license to own a telly? It's not like it's a lethal weapon. When was the last time someone got mugged by a guy wielding a flatscreen?

WindSock

Cart ax pays for the roads you use and everything else like lights and motorways and maintenance. In fact, that's what all taxes do. If you think about all the **** you use everyday that your taxes pay for, it actually ads up to a lot. I'm sick of people whining about their taxes and blah blah as if they shouldnt have to pay for any damn privileges. Yeah of course lots have been wasted, but most has been put to good use for things. You know. Things we like. and use.

dxhound2005

Idiot tax.

DCUlad

LighterGuy wrote: »

Was just thinking there about the ridiculous taxes and licenses we have to pay. Such as:

- tv license
- water charges
- toll bridge charge
- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax?
- tax for plastic bags.

Im sure you see the common theme. A large percentage of the population uses the above ...


So whats the future going to be like

License for a pc?
License for smoke in your own home?

People actually pay TV license and Car tax?

I thought they were optional

dubtom

In the US some states charge a Rain Tax, basically they measure the amount of water that falls from your roof,into the drains and into their system.
It's only a matter of time before we're being taxed for it too.

stoneill

Don't forget the other taxes.
DIRT tax - on YOUR savings
Capital Gains tax.
Inheritance tax.
Tax on Redundancy pay. (Just pure evil that one)
Social Welfare tax.
Plus all the duties and levies on petrol, diesel and alcohol.


So when the VAT went up by 1% at the last budget did anyone notice the hike in prices? So if an item costs €1 - mathematically the price should have risen by 1c? Seems to me that items rose by 10c or 20c at the till.

Property tax - tax on your house, that you bought through your hard earned money that was previously taxed as income.

Sticky_Fingers

stoneill wrote: »

Property tax - tax on your house, that you bought through your hard earned money that was previously taxed as income.

And previously paid tax on already through stamp duty:mad:

MadameGascar

Sitting and pooping














Tax free if you don't avail of the 'sit-poop' facility.

johnmcdnl

Was just thinking there about the ridiculous taxes and licenses we have to pay. Such as:

- tv license - to pay for RTE, might be complete ****e most of the time but better managers and it could be good
- water charges - because the water gets to your house for free yes???
- toll bridge charge - because the road built itself but yes I'll agree it's ridiculous that only some motorways/bridges are tolled and other's aren't
- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax? - it's a good way to bring in money but yes it is a sneaky tax as you seem to be implying - but since it's been changed to carbon emmisions i think it's a kind of fair way to tax big engines to try to reduce the country's carbon footprint - don't like it but yes I'll agree that's it's a hidden tax
- tax for plastic bags. - to reduce litter?? how many plastic bags have you seen flying round the place since this tax was brought in..

Im sure you see the common theme. A large percentage of the population uses the above - because if only a minority of people used them well then there'd be no money in the public coffers at all - that's how taxation works.. a lot of small little taxes and they all add up..

yes they are snakey the way they say we have the lowest tax rates but then we have all the hidden taxes - but at the end of the day we could have more tax on our salary and it'd be the same thing really - I prefer this way because i can choose not to buy a plastic bag, choose a car with a really fuel effiecent engine, use a non toll road if possible etc etc etc

yes a lot of our taxes are hidden but if they weren't hidden they'd just have to be there straight up or else as a country we couldn't operate at all..

KylieWyley

Tax tax.

A tax on the tax you pay.

hondasam

WindSock wrote: »

Cart ax pays for the roads you use and everything else like lights and motorways and maintenance. In fact, that's what all taxes do. If you think about all the **** you use everyday that your taxes pay for, it actually ads up to a lot. I'm sick of people whining about their taxes and blah blah as if they shouldnt have to pay for any damn privileges. Yeah of course lots have been wasted, but most has been put to good use for things. You know. Things we like. and use.

people never want to talk about the positives. we have become a nation of moaners.

double GG

Internet Tax.

LighterGuy

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- tv license - to pay for RTE, might be complete ****e most of the time but better managers and it could be good

Lets talk about the context of it. A license fee for an electrical item. I dont see no washing machine licenese or microwave license. But lets just accept that one. Its in what can you do. But why does it have to go solely to RTE? why arent tv3 getting a cut? ... In the uk BBC gets all the license fees but at least they are advertisement free. But RTE makes money of its advertisment too. best of both worlds for them.

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- water charges - because the water gets to your house for free yes???

It has for the last few decades. Im still living in a non-water charge area. But ok, they filter the water etc. So this can be seen as reasonable.

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- toll bridge charge - because the road built itself but yes I'll agree it's ridiculous that only some motorways/bridges are tolled and other's aren't

unreasonable. your tax, weather its from buying something in the shop or tax deducted from your wage pays has always paid for roads. Every cent of tax that goes to the government in turn goes to funding of different departments. So the tax payer alread paid for the m50.

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax? - it's a good way to bring in money but yes it is a sneaky tax as you seem to be implying - but since it's been changed to carbon emmisions i think it's a kind of fair way to tax big engines to try to reduce the country's carbon footprint - don't like it but yes I'll agree that's it's a hidden tax

Dont have to pay tax on a bike. But its one of those things in and all over the world. what can you do.

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- tax for plastic bags. - to reduce litter?? how many plastic bags have you seen flying round the place since this tax was brought in..

A tax is a tax man. This one can be spinned into "whats good for the enviroment" - but at the end of the day the money is going to the govenment. Why doesnt the entire 22c goto various charities?

LighterGuy

double GG wrote: »

Internet Tax.

I think thats the next thing.

Eircom, NTL etc will be forced to charge a tax to its customers for the service of broadband.

zuroph

They're actually going to phase in a hand tax.

starts next year with Thumb tax :pac:

I'll get my coat.

zuroph

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Idiot tax.

you mean thick tax?!?!

macquarie

Travelling community tax,


a tax on being a member of the "Travelling community"

deathrider

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- tv license - to pay for RTE, might be complete ****e most of the time but better managers and it could be good

See, that's what really gets my goat here. RTE want cash off me because I own a telly, yet the said telly as never been tuned into RTE. Not once. In fact, it has never been tuned into any TV channel. It's used exclusively for gaming purposses. Yet, RTE want a cut of this? I find that a complete pain in ass, personally.

LighterGuy wrote: »

I dont see no washing machine licenese or microwave license.

Ssssshhh! They'll hear you.

chillin_penguin

LighterGuy wrote: »

Was just thinking there about the ridiculous taxes and licenses we have to pay. Such as:

- tv license
- water charges
- toll bridge charge
- Even car tax. Understandably car insurance being mandatory makes sense. But tax?
- tax for plastic bags.

Im sure you see the common theme. A large percentage of the population uses the above ...


So whats the future going to be like

License for a pc?
License for smoke in your own home?

I know a PC tax was being considered at one stage. People who don't have a tv but do have a pc and a internet connection can use rte player stream the news and watch other shows a hour or two after everyone else.

During the world cup i watched all the matches on the pc at work online for free at a cost rte. So i really can see that coming in at some stage.

Hank_Jones

I would think we will be saddled with some sort of electricity/gas/emissions tax, with regards to homes and businesses.

Apologies if there already is one, wasn't sure.

chillin_penguin

Hank_Jones wrote: »

I would think we will be saddled with some sort of electricity/gas/emissions tax, with regards to homes and businesses.

Apologies if there already is one, wasn't sure.

Ya there is one already PSO Public service obligation. Its for the esb keeping the peat powered stations open.

They are kept open in the interest of security of supply.

Butch Cassidy

Many people pay up to and in some cases in excess of 100Euro to see a GP. There's a hefty charge on attending an A&E. We pay a helluva lot for medicines. This is just the tip of the iceberg but go back to the 50s in Britain and they initiated a health service that was free to everyone on the basis of their need. Meanwhile in Ireland, a supposed republic based on equality and all the stuff written about in previous years, a similarily ambitous scheme was veto'd by the hierarchy - ambitious in its own context not compared to the NHS.

Today still in Britain you can see a GP with no charge on you. Your medicines are paid for by the state - there is a nominal prescription fee which are to be phased out, in the countries with deveolved powers anyway. Anyone belowed a threshold, in reciept of a social welfare payment etc. does not have to pay this cost. Access to A&E is without a charge.


In Ireland people should view any monies handed over for health services as a tax.

Indirect taxation as mention disproportionally hits those at the lower end on average, below average wage and in poverty. Direct taxation would be linked to income.


With regards to "what next?", we have a bank bailout tax which was in the form of an income levy now the USC. I don't know how much more creative the mandarins or the reps can get but I'm sure we've not seen the end of such taxes.

Super-Rush

WindSock wrote: »

Cart ax pays for the roads you use and everything else like lights and motorways and maintenance. In fact, that's what all taxes do. If you think about all the **** you use everyday that your taxes pay for, it actually ads up to a lot. I'm sick of people whining about their taxes and blah blah as if they shouldnt have to pay for any damn privileges. Yeah of course lots have been wasted, but most has been put to good use for things. You know. Things we like. and use.

If car tax is supposed to be for the upkeep of roads then i want my money back.

UglyBolloxFace

LighterGuy wrote: »

A tax is a tax man. This one can be spinned into "whats good for the enviroment" - but at the end of the day the money is going to the govenment. Why doesnt the entire 22c goto various charities?

There is something that I don't understand about the plastic bag tax;

Who pays to manufacture the bags? Say Tesco bags, do they pay for them? But then when they take in the 22 cent for the bag, it goes straight to the government, doesn't it?

What are Tesco et al. getting out of this? I don't think I'm explaining myself properly but do ya get me?

THall04

Why do we have to pay an annual tax on the use of Credit and Debit cards???:mad:

The goverment don't provide the service and more electronic transactions does the treasury a favour as it reduces the ammount of paper/coin money needed in circulation and the costs associated with it.

Irish Guitarist

Door tax maybe. Britain already had window tax, which is where the phrase "daylight robbery" comes from. There was also wallpaper tax and brick tax.

I don't think being charged for plastic bags is that bad an idea by the way. There's a lot less bags littering the place now. I think they should cost a lot less though. It's ridiculous the way the price keeps going up.

Mackman

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

There is something that I don't understand about the plastic bag tax;

Who pays to manufacture the bags? Say Tesco bags, do they pay for them? But then when they take in the 22 cent for the bag, it goes straight to the government, doesn't it?

What are Tesco et al. getting out of this? I don't think I'm explaining myself properly but do ya get me?

They gave them away for free before the bag tax came in. Its part and parcel of the service of the supermarket. Im sure the cost of manufacture is made up from another source within the store.

Osgoodisgood

johnmcdnl wrote: »

- tv license - to pay for RTE, might be complete ****e most of the time but better managers and it could be good

My toaster has nothing to do with Brennan's
My TV should have nothing to do with RTE

bstards

Osgoodisgood

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

There is something that I don't understand about the plastic bag tax;

Who pays to manufacture the bags? Say Tesco bags, do they pay for them? But then when they take in the 22 cent for the bag, it goes straight to the government, doesn't it?

What are Tesco et al. getting out of this? I don't think I'm explaining myself properly but do ya get me?

They get the same as before there was a tax. Nothing. It's one of the costs of doing business for them.

edit:Just saw Mackman's post. Back to sleep then.

oooomy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsNTk59exI

tallaghtmick

KylieWyley wrote: »

Tax tax.

A tax on the tax you pay.

yo dawg i heard you like tax so we put tax on your tax so you can get taxed while u tax :pac:

galwayrush

shaaane wrote: »

Fart tax

That would be the straw that breaks the camel's back regarding me.

STForSale

merlie wrote: »

The tax for the plastic bags is actually supposed to be a deter people from buying them as they are filling up landfills and take years to disintegrate, so I think it s a good idea.

"The charge was introduced to encourage the use of reusable bags and to change people's attitudes to litter and pollution in Ireland.

Revenue generated from the Plastic Bag Environmental Levy will go into the new Environmental Fund. This fund is used to support waste management, litter and other environmental initiatives."

BS, a biodegradable bag was proposed but the government refused to exempt it from the tax. This is a source of revenue dressed up as an environmental measure.
On a similar note, will the county council need my permission to install a water meter on my house? It is my property after all?

Gulliver

galwayrush wrote: »

That would be the straw that breaks the camel's backside regarding me.

FYP :pac:

bonerm

Governments usually enjoy taxing things that stupid people think they cannot do without eg alcohol, tobacco and television. Therefore the next taxes will obviously be on 'complaining without purpose' & 'begrudgery'.

blackdog2

Bear Tax

Gulliver

STForSale wrote: »

...On a similar note, will the county council need my permission to install a water meter on my house? It is my property after all?

It is your peoperty, but you need their permission to make any modifications to it.

KylieWyley wrote:

Tax tax.

A tax on the tax you pay.

They have this. It's called VRT.


I'd like to see a truthful breakdown of the tax take vs what was spent on services etc. Our local hospital lost cancer services, our roads look like bombs were dropped on them etc.