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Anyone get the rest of their SFP??

  • 25-01-2011 10:07am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭


    I didn't. Can only assume that they're still digitising the maps. Haven't got all the DA payments either. Just wondering if anyone who was waiting for theirs to be digitised has got their money.

    Tired of ringing the Dep. and getting the same answer.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    also any word on the remainder of fwms , the interest payment , that was due the 3rd week of JANUARY:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    JUST RANG FWM OFFICE , they have just finished paying the 20% balancing payment last week , they have gotten no word of the interest percentage or when it is being paid , she said to ring back next week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭funny man


    reilig wrote: »
    I didn't. Can only assume that they're still digitising the maps. Haven't got all the DA payments either. Just wondering if anyone who was waiting for theirs to be digitised has got their money.

    Tired of ringing the Dep. and getting the same answer.

    i suggest you contact your local IFA office they i believe have a system where they will go into the Dept. with a list of applicants who havn't got paid and try to resolve them or speed them up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    reilig wrote: »
    I didn't. Can only assume that they're still digitising the maps. Haven't got all the DA payments either. Just wondering if anyone who was waiting for theirs to be digitised has got their money.

    Tired of ringing the Dep. and getting the same answer.

    No DA payment for 2010, so far, still fighting the *insert appropriate insult*.

    No second part of SFP either.

    Done with being nice at this stage, car tax, car insurance up this month, NCT due March, lambing approaching, regular bills etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    funny man wrote: »
    i suggest you contact your local IFA office they i believe have a system where they will go into the Dept. with a list of applicants who havn't got paid and try to resolve them or speed them up!

    Been there and done that. It still made no difference :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    get your wife to ring them , that you are on the breadline , no mortgage paid etc , child going hungry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭fastrac


    Got the 20% FWM .No interest.No part 2 of sfp and no Reps. Maybe the election will speed things up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭JohnBoy


    Not, but supposed to be this week.

    Supposedly.


    On one call a few weeks ago we were told maps were digitised and just needed to be signed off, but they would be left for a few weeks yet and to stop ringing all the time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    stop ringing all the time.

    I wonder if they had part of their wage packet with held for a number of months, how happy they'd be about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    As I posted before all these delays are Department POLICY. What are the IFA doing about it? nothing is the answer. Might be a good idea to ask the IFA this question when they come looking for their annual renewal for membership.
    Until the IFA starts gets it's act together Irish farmers are going to be facing this scenario year in, year out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭grizzlyadams


    :):mad:
    fastrac wrote: »
    Got the 20% FWM .No interest.No part 2 of sfp and no Reps. Maybe the election will speed things up.

    Yeah , ditto here , as ye can imagine really pissed !!!!!!:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    As I posted before all these delays are Department POLICY. What are the IFA doing about it? nothing is the answer. Might be a good idea to ask the IFA this question when they come looking for their annual renewal for membership.
    Until the IFA starts gets it's act together Irish farmers are going to be facing this scenario year in, year out.
    Its obvious you do nothing for IFA, There is farmers in every county working for all farmers, putting pressure on politicians to get this sorted, IFA are not an anonymous body on the naas road, you are criticising your neighbours with this rant, go to your local county executive meetings or maybe you'd rather remain anonymous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    .Just giving my opinion based on my experience of the IFA. They used to be a strong voice for farmers but for whatever reasons have become neutored. All they do is release press statements which are like songs in the wind; instead of organising ACTION and putting real pressure on the Department of Agricultur who are making life very difficult for farmers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    .Just giving my opinion based on my experience of the IFA. They used to be a strong voice for farmers but for whatever reasons have become neutored. All they do is release press statements which are like songs in the wind; instead of organising ACTION and putting real pressure on the Department of Agricultur who are making life very difficult for farmers.

    Agreed, what happened to protest marches? Jesus, there's not even a tractorcade in sight...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    .Just giving my opinion based on my experience of the IFA. They used to be a strong voice for farmers but for whatever reasons have become neutored. All they do is release press statements which are like songs in the wind; instead of organising ACTION and putting real pressure on the Department of Agricultur who are making life very difficult for farmers.
    yea right!! and santa claus organised the sheep grassland scheme, sheep fencing grants, AEOS, FWM & FWM interest, suckler scheme, or maybe minister smith is the good fairy!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    Rancher, if you think that the IFA organised all those schemes then you have very little understanding of modern-day economics and bureaucracratic machinery. Your point infers that the officials in Brussels had no input into all these schemes!
    My point is that the IFA is not the strong organisation it used to be and it is only reacting (tamely) to the Department of Agricultures implementation of EU subsidised schemes.
    Unfortunately I am not high enough within the IFA organisation to answer why this is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭kfk


    Anyone know how long it takes for a reps 3 payment to clear after an inspection. I had the inspection in the middle of December and I submitted my record sheets and receipts after Christmas. There were no problems with the farm part of the inspection and there should be no problems with the record sheets.
    Thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    kfk wrote: »
    Anyone know how long it takes for a reps 3 payment to clear after an inspection. I had the inspection in the middle of December and I submitted my record sheets and receipts after Christmas. There were no problems with the farm part of the inspection and there should be no problems with the record sheets.
    Thanks

    not in Reps 3 anymore, but as far as I can remember it used to take 4 to 6 weeks after the inspection.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Second SFP in today. Am told my DAP is also in my account, but haven't checked that out yet, believe it when I see it :pac:

    Now I just need to fight them on the AEOS front, one war is better than three I 'spose....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    Rancher, if you think that the IFA organised all those schemes then you have very little understanding of modern-day economics and bureaucracratic machinery. Your point infers that the officials in Brussels had no input into all these schemes!
    My point is that the IFA is not the strong organisation it used to be and it is only reacting (tamely) to the Department of Agricultures implementation of EU subsidised schemes.
    Unfortunately I am not high enough within the IFA organisation to answer why this is.

    All these schemes were organised by the dept agr in negotiation with IFA and sanctioned by Brussels eg aeos was proposed at 1200 euros per farmer and would have been left at that but for the sterling work of voluntary officers of IFA, some of them maybe your neighbours,
    You give the impression that you think there should be more protests, if that’s the view of all members why does only 1 to 5% of them attend, surely that gives out a message that 95 to99% of farmers are satisfied with the way things are!!!! All credibility gone.
    Finally, I presumed you were not actively involved in IFA and you’ve confirmed it now, how can you be sure how things work if you’re not involved, our motto is ‘’strength in unity’’ and your negativity is no help, as for the sfp delay we have got them to take on more staff and bar we go and give them a hand there’s not a lot more we can do, the impossible we can do immediately but miracles I’m afraid take a bit longer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    "There is none so blind as those that will not see"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭agcons


    kfk wrote: »
    Anyone know how long it takes for a reps 3 payment to clear after an inspection. I had the inspection in the middle of December and I submitted my record sheets and receipts after Christmas. There were no problems with the farm part of the inspection and there should be no problems with the record sheets.
    Thanks
    Depends on the inspector. Nothing will happen until he/she processes the file. It is then sent back to the local office and they send it on for payment.There are no delays with REPS 3 payments at present, in the local offices. No harm to give the inspector a call and encourage him to move the file along!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭lanod2407


    Got my letter for the second part of SFP today - must check the account tomorrow.
    I'm told that REPS 4 payment should be along shortly - my SFP was delayed for digitising.

    Rancher is a funny guy -


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Great what elections can do isn't it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    johngalway wrote: »
    Great what elections can do isn't it!
    isnt it just


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭JohnBoy


    We got the letter on tuesday and the money arrived last night!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    I'm actually quite angry about this carry on. In December I sent in documentation that, according to advice I got, other farmers got paid their Disadvantage Area payment with. I had previously rang the DAP section and was told in no uncertain terms these documents simply would not do.

    In January those documents were returned to me. Following on from that I received two sets of forms from different people in the DA section still arguing the same point and still looking for more information from me.

    Between having my documentation returned to me, and receiving these extra forms in January I had no further communication with the Department.

    The only thing that changed was an election was called.

    Hey fcuking presto I get paid with zero hassle, without these two sets of extra forms needing to be sent in........

    So, monies I was rightly owed, some since September 2010, some since December 2010, are now paid with great haste in the final week of this awful government.

    That's just sick. The sheer amount of stress and worry that has caused me is immense. Car insurance, car tax due this month, NCT March, Income tax bill to be paid. So why was my money with held all this time??????????????????????????????????????

    :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    lanod2407 wrote: »
    Got my letter for the second part of SFP today - must check the account tomorrow.
    I'm told that REPS 4 payment should be along shortly - my SFP was delayed for digitising.

    Rancher is a funny guy -
    thanks for that, everyone just has to be patient, the money is safe,not many places you can say that these times, in the north the payment is delayed plus the farmers are getting a penalty as well!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    johngalway wrote: »
    Agreed, what happened to protest marches? Jesus, there's not even a tractorcade in sight...[/QUOTE/ Not sure if you are being serious or not ,John. Protest marches etc have to be balanced between the potential positives and negatives of protest and disruption of business in towns. We are the first to complain when a bunch of townies come into our patch throwing their weight around on our farms. How do you choose which fights to pursue? Every minor one or just the big ones like SFP reform and AEOS? How do you motivate people to protest every week? How many protests have the ifa critics been on? I am only a minor flunkey in the ifa but after i was elected, i realised i would have to go to every protest if possible as that was ,imo, one of the responsibilities with holding office. It is time consuming on farm and family life but i dont want to look back and say i did nothing to help myself. Yes there are difficulties with the ifa (and icmsa and icsa)but imagine the scenario if they were not there:confused:. 'Ni neart go cur le cheile' as they say round here. Strength in unity


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    5live wrote: »
    johngalway wrote: »
    Agreed, what happened to protest marches? Jesus, there's not even a tractorcade in sight...[/QUOTE/ Not sure if you are being serious or not ,John. the big ones like SFP reform and AEOS? Strength in unity

    Little bit of both to be honest :)

    Protest the important matters, such as farmers payments being with held for no good reason, or the madness of digitization that could never possibly have been completed the way it had been organised.

    I do have a bone to pick with "Strength in unity". That is well and good when there's unity, but often there isn't. O'Cuiv humbled Connemara IFA at a meeting about the cancellation of REPS. Proposals were submitted that a scheme be left in place for the less well off areas of the country. O'Cuiv made the point, yeah, great, but will the rest of the IFA up the country support you?

    As much as I dislike the man, he was right.

    So strength comes when everyone is affected, but this is Ireland, where often the less well off sections of whatever group get brushed aside if the better off in that group aren't affected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    you have a point, up the country we could not support that, not only because reps was a huge loss to EVERY farmer, but also we many small farms in every county and a lot of them not in a disadvantage area


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    rancher wrote: »
    you have a point, up the country we could not support that, not only because reps was a huge loss to EVERY farmer, but also we many small farms in every county and a lot of them not in a disadvantage area

    Yes, except it was an "environmental" not "agricultural" scheme. It was allowed to become too broad in it's take up, which was one aspect of it's downfall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    johngalway wrote: »
    5live wrote: »

    Little bit of both to be honest :)

    Protest the important matters, such as farmers payments being with held for no good reason, or the madness of digitization that could never possibly have been completed the way it had been organised.

    I do have a bone to pick with "Strength in unity". That is well and good when there's unity, but often there isn't. O'Cuiv humbled Connemara IFA at a meeting about the cancellation of REPS. Proposals were submitted that a scheme be left in place for the less well off areas of the country. O'Cuiv made the point, yeah, great, but will the rest of the IFA up the country support you?

    As much as I dislike the man, he was right.

    So strength comes when everyone is affected, but this is Ireland, where often the less well off sections of whatever group get brushed aside if the better off in that group aren't affected.
    I cant argue with that,john. It just annoys when people think you are making something out of giving up your time and then complain that their representatives are doing nothing. Meanwhile the reps are in meetings all over the place while the complainers are holding fort in the local pub complaining about giving money to that shower of wasters. You just cant win really:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    5live wrote: »
    I cant argue with that,john. It just annoys when people think you are making something out of giving up your time and then complain that their representatives are doing nothing. Meanwhile the reps are in meetings all over the place while the complainers are holding fort in the local pub complaining about giving money to that shower of wasters. You just cant win really:(

    Genuinely, I do sympathize with that position! I'm all too familiar with the hurlers on the ditch, plenty of them in every parish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    johngalway wrote: »
    Yes, except it was an "environmental" not "agricultural" scheme. It was allowed to become too broad in it's take up, which was one aspect of it's downfall.
    Again you're right, I'm a humble sheep farmer like yourself and am aware there's a huge wedge of reps 4 gone to large dairy farmers


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