Sheep grassland scheme

5live

The sheep grassland scheme of E10/ ewe is cleared for payment by Brussels and will commence from tuesday 1st february:D:D

metalwood

does the 2010 census form have to be returned before payment?

snowman707

5live wrote: »

The sheep grassland scheme of E10/ ewe is cleared for payment by Brussels and will commence from tuesday 1st february:D:D

I hope that's 2011

There should be an election every year around mid November , I reckon we would all receive all our payments on time.

supersean1999

is the upland sheep scheme paid on top of this, of is it a flat rate across country

iron man

how does one apply for this or does it go on your census forms or?????

snowman707

iron man wrote: »

how does one apply for this or does it go on your census forms or?????

yes it's on the census

supersean1999

coming tomorrow i hope

supersean1999

nothing yet, anyone get it

johngalway

Nope, the ould fella was just commenting on it today, hoping it'd come before election day :pac:

snowman707

nothing here either, according to today's journal €14.8m paid out with €3.2m still outstanding to query cases:mad::mad:

supersean1999

snowman707 wrote: »

nothing here either, according to today's journal €14.8m paid out with €3.2m still outstanding to query cases:mad::mad:

maybe if its paid on 1st it might be in bank by tomorrow, its unlikely 3 of us not paid judging by them figures

Box09

Nothing here either. Or Reps 4. They are all spoofers.

Username John

Box09 wrote: »

Nothing here either. Or Reps 4. They are all spoofers.

Exactly the same here :mad: :mad: :mad:

5live

Nowt yet the fekkers. Maybe the Bould Brendan is going to present each check indivually to each of us. Or they could just post it out as snail mail seems to be faster than Department E-payments:rolleyes:

snowman707

still feck all here,

got 75% of reps4 a couple of weeks ago

snowman707

In bank a/c to day, dated for 07/02/2011,


remainder of reps 4 still outstanding and forestry payments end of april

Username John

snowman707 wrote: »

In bank a/c to day, dated for 07/02/2011,

Wahoo - in my bank account as well...

Now, just me REPS4 money to chase...

foundation10

Haven't seen anything yet

tanco

I was expecting 10 euro per ewe , got 1800 but have 220 ewes and had that on census form, anyone have same issue..?

Username John

tanco wrote: »

I was expecting 10 euro per ewe , got 1800 but have 220 ewes and had that on census form, anyone have same issue..?

Were you caught by the number of hectares?

The maximum area payable per Scheme-year is 84 hectares in respect of Mountain Type Grazing and 30 hectares for all other lands. The indicative rates of aid are as follows:

• Mountain Areas (0 to 20 hectares) : €30 per hectare;
• Mountain Areas (20 to 84 hectares): €25 per hectare;
• Lowland Areas: €70 per hectare.

tanco

No, have enough hectares aswell. Dont get me wrong not complaining about the 1800 but 2200 would be nicer!

I'll give them a ring tomorrow I say.

Also got quoted 5 euro plus vat/ metre for foxwire and 1 strand of barbed from farm relief for the fencing. What do you think..?

foundation10

Response to Tanco Post

It depends where it is going, is it a straight line or will it be on top of fences. I would estimate the cost of materials here to be somewhere in the region of 2.50 per metre that would include good quality posts. Also make sure that you are getting decent posts and that they use decent strainers as some of these that are for sale are rubbish and will need replacing in a few years especially on the ground.

Where should one contact in the department for the grassland payment as nothing has arrived and all paperwork is in order?

rancher

tanco wrote: »

I was expecting 10 euro per ewe , got 1800 but have 220 ewes and had that on census form, anyone have same issue..?

Think the budget is a fixed amount, then its divided by the numbers that the census bring in, so if all the extra ewe lambs that were bought last year are put in lamb this year, the amount will be reduced again.Was never supposed to be 10euro but the budgeted amount divided by the number of ewes

johngalway

Mine arrived this morning, didn't get as much as expected ho-hum.

Username John

foundation10 wrote: »

Response to Tanco Post

It depends where it is going, is it a straight line or will it be on top of fences. I would estimate the cost of materials here to be somewhere in the region of 2.50 per metre that would include good quality posts. Also make sure that you are getting decent posts and that they use decent strainers as some of these that are for sale are rubbish and will need replacing in a few years especially on the ground.

Where should one contact in the department for the grassland payment as nothing has arrived and all paperwork is in order?

I got a quote from FRS for fencing with 2 strands of barb wire, materials only and it came to almost 3 euro / metre (ex VAT). But this was for the cresote posts, which are the grant approved ones (to qualify for the sheep fencing & handling scheme)

foundation10

Username John wrote: »

I got a quote from FRS for fencing with 2 strands of barb wire, materials only and it came to almost 3 euro / metre (ex VAT). But this was for the cresote posts, which are the grant approved ones (to qualify for the sheep fencing & handling scheme)

Yea, cresote are worth the extra bit its not too far off the mark there. I assume the wire is heavy duty for that price

basilbuster

Hi guys and dolls. Got my payment too and didnt get what i was expecting either. When the wee brown envelope came in the post i saw why. There was a Modulation Amount of 8% discounted from the payment. They kept that one quiet. Typical. Hope this explains.

5live

Just rang dept to find out why i hadnt been paid. Apparently there was a problem with my maps. I got my SFP a week or so late in both payments so i assume the map issue was dealt with before i was paid my SFP. WTF:mad:

yessam

I got a letter from the department today asking me to return some of my Grassland Sheep Scheme payment by cheque within one month.

I am supposed to be overpaid.

Anyone else get this..

tabby aspreme

yessam wrote: »

I got a letter from the department today asking me to return some of my Grassland Sheep Scheme payment by cheque within one month.

I am supposed to be overpaid.

Anyone else get this..

+1

snowman707

yessam wrote: »

I got a letter from the department today asking me to return some of my Grassland Sheep Scheme payment by cheque within one month.

I am supposed to be overpaid.

Anyone else get this..

yep got it about 2/3 weeks ago, didn't bother replying, they can keep it from this year's payments , interest charged won't be much more than the duty on the cheque

foundation10

snowman707 wrote: »

yep got it about 2/3 weeks ago, didn't bother replying, they can keep it from this year's payments , interest charged won't be much more than the duty on the cheque

I am doing the same thing couldn't be bothered returning the money as I figured the cost of me returning and paying for the cheque, the stamp, my time, and dept of ag time processing the receipt and the dept of Ag bank processing fee at the other end outweighed the benefit of the overpayment in the few euro that was demanded of me

Sunset V

snowman707 wrote: »

yep got it about 2/3 weeks ago, didn't bother replying, they can keep it from this year's payments , interest charged won't be much more than the duty on the cheque

Got the same, thought the letter was a bit OTT on the aggressive side but sure paid it and that's that!

johngalway

Yes, there were over payments, I got the letter as did the old man. Am letting them claw it back from future payments, not worth the trouble of sending it back myself tbh.

Username John

johngalway wrote: »

Yes, there were over payments, I got the letter as did the old man. Am letting them claw it back from future payments, not worth the trouble of sending it back myself tbh.

Same as you John - letting them claw it back out of my SFP. But I havent gotten SFP yet...

So, on Friday I got a letter from the Dept re the overpayment listing "my outstanding debt" :mad:
"It is necessary that these outstanding debts be cleared as soon as possible... If you do not clear the debt as requested above it will be deducted from any future grants due to you... IN ADDITION INTEREST MAY ALSO BE CHARGED."

INTEREST! :mad:

So... its grand for Joe Farmer to have to wait for his payment from the Dept. But they dont want to be kept waiting for money which is owed to them... Even though its their own mistake for the over-payment... !

Its all a bit farcical!

What's the chances even if I were to pay em now, that they would be able to update their system in time to not take amount owed in my SFP? Slim I imagine...

johngalway

Username John wrote: »

"It is necessary that these outstanding debts be cleared as soon as possible... If you do not clear the debt as requested above it will be deducted from any future grants due to you... IN ADDITION INTEREST MAY ALSO BE CHARGED."

INTEREST! :mad:

The clawback should only be a small amount, so any interest - and yes, I do share your feelings on that - will be much smaller again.

They don't joke about it though. I got unfairly fined when they digitized the commonages. Farmed according to my plan approved by the Dept based on THEIR numbers. They changed the numbers, fined me for having over claimed - that's rich, seeing as it was their numbers.

They also charged me interest on that fine, back dated five years.

Had to go to the Ag appeals office.

And to be honest, if anyone is in any was thinking they've been unfairly treated then do as I did and put it up to them. Got my fine reduced by I guess 90%, still had to pay money I will to my dying day say I didn't owe them.

razor8

Neighbour had an inspection today, he sold ewes (40) 3 weeks ago and replaced them with his own ewe lambs. inspector said ewe lambs wont count as it was only ewes he had on census last year. how is this?

ewes were only sold 3 weeks ago. can he do this. i thought once the ewes were retained for a minimum of 3 months they qualify

Cran

believe the ewes need to be over 12 months of age for the scheme. he should be fine for this years payment as based on last years census (plus previous I think), but they wouldn't qualify for next year is probably what he means

snowman707

razor8 wrote: »

Neighbour had an inspection today, he sold ewes (40) 3 weeks ago and replaced them with his own ewe lambs. inspector said ewe lambs wont count as it was only ewes he had on census last year. how is this?

ewes were only sold 3 weeks ago. can he do this. i thought once the ewes were retained for a minimum of 3 months they qualify

wondering where did he sell?

was the inspection a result of the dept monitoring movements?

razor8

snowman707 wrote: »

wondering where did he sell?

was the inspection a result of the dept monitoring movements?

wouldnt have been, i bought them and he hasnt send in pink document yet, so they wouldnt have known