New celebration of the history of the Tri-colour

comeraghs

Happening in March in Waterford.

www.1848tricolour.com

anything that increases peoples knowledge of the real meaning of our flag is a great idea I think.

CDfm

“The white in the centre signifies a lasting truce between the ‘Orange’ and the ‘Green’, and I trust that beneath its folds, the hands of the Irish Protestant and the Irish Catholic may be clasped in generous and heroic brotherhood”

,– Thomas Francis Meagher

comeraghs

It's a terrible shame that the flag has been hi-jacked by the Sinn Fein/Brits out element to such as extent especially considering its original meaning of reconciliation & peace.

comeraghs

anybody planning on heading down to this in March?

brianthebard

comeraghs wrote: »

It's a terrible shame that the flag has been hi-jacked by the Sinn Fein/Brits out element to such as extent especially considering its original meaning of reconciliation & peace.

To what extent? The flag still means the same thing.

jonniebgood1

That is an interesting point. I think it is possible for a flag or symbol to be hijacked for a cause that would eventually effect how people view its display. It might mean the same but be viewed differently by the majority. A good example would be the Confederate flag of the southern states of America which is associated with racism. It was originally a flag of unity. I'm not so sure that this has happened with our tri-colour though- it would be well recieved in most places in the world. Perhaps in the North and some parts of UK cities is the only place it would have negative conotations.

mathepac

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

That is an interesting point. I think it is possible for a flag or symbol to be hijacked for a cause that would eventually effect how people view its display. ...

That is certainly the case for the swastika, for example. Hijacked by the Nazis as a symbol for the national socialist party, but still having revered and mystical meaning in certain Eastern religions and cultures, AFAIK it is illegal to display it in places like Germany.

However, I would differentiate between party political symbols and national symbols like our tricolour.

Notorious97

comeraghs wrote: »

It's a terrible shame that the flag has been hi-jacked by the Sinn Fein/Brits out element to such as extent especially considering its original meaning of reconciliation & peace.

The ‘Brits Out’ mentality isn’t designed to mean protestants out, any genuine republican or nationalist seeks a united Ireland including protestants in this new state, if any refer to Brits out it is generally referring to a British military presence and also the end of London’s interference in all things Irish.

I don’t think it has been hi-jacked by anybody, the IRA used it in the rising and war on independence, both pro and anti treaty used it in the civil war, republicans to this day still use it as they see it as a symbol of Ireland for which they are fighting for (even if the majority of people on this island do not want them to do it in their name)

I think anyway alot can be learned from our past, especially the United Irishmen and their ideals, even as recent as Michael Collins.

Sounds like a good weekend anyway, i might see if i can head down to this, something interesting anyway.

mcko

The Naval Service Reserve are providing a Guard of Honor

comeraghs

Notorious97,

I wasn't referring to people who actually think about what their politics entail but rather the uneducated Celtic Jersey wearing thugs who are all to common in many parts of Ireland these days ..

& I think it should be a great weekend .... anybody else planning on heading?

Notorious97

comeraghs wrote: »

Notorious97,

I wasn't referring to people who actually think about what their politics entail but rather the uneducated Celtic Jersey wearing thugs who are all to common in many parts of Ireland these days ..

& I think it should be a great weekend .... anybody else planning on heading?

I agree with you on the usual suspects who are out for trouble without a cause, im a Celtic fan myself, occasionally wear the jersey lol, but it does really bother me to see somebody in a Celtic jersey claiming to be a republican / nationalist simply because they wear a Celtic shirt lol, never got that myself! Also it is embarrassing to hear these eejits rattling on about Ireland and the troubles, the majority of these eejits are very quick to round on Protestants as the source of all evil in Ireland, but if they actually bothered their hole to read up on it then they might see things alot more clearly!!

Back on topic though, im thinking of just driving down the Sunday for it, trying to get a few to go down, would be a good day out, i knew the history of the flag but was interesting to see on the website the use of the red hand on the white part, i doubt alot of people are aware of that.

bitter

Notorious97 wrote: »

The ‘Brits Out’ mentality isn’t designed to mean protestants out, any genuine republican or nationalist seeks a united Ireland including protestants in this new state, if any refer to Brits out it is generally referring to a British military presence and also the end of London’s interference in all things Irish.

I don’t think it has been hi-jacked by anybody, the IRA used it in the rising and war on independence, both pro and anti treaty used it in the civil war, republicans to this day still use it as they see it as a symbol of Ireland for which they are fighting for (even if the majority of people on this island do not want them to do it in their name)

I think anyway alot can be learned from our past, especially the United Irishmen and their ideals, even as recent as Michael Collins.

Sounds like a good weekend anyway, i might see if i can head down to this, something interesting anyway.

What about Irishmen who cherish their British Heritage all over the Island "catholic & protestant"? Ireland is more comlex than you think.. I personally think the flag should be changed with the Harp or a shamrock as an emblem.

comeraghs

IRISH TIMES.

Emigrants 'on loan' to Canada

Ireland is “only loaning its young people” to countries such as Canada as a result of emigration, the Canadian ambassador to Ireland, Loyola Hearn, said yesterday.
Mr Hearn said about 5,000 people were expected to emigrate from Ireland to Canada this year and previous generations of Irish “went on to build the world”.
The ambassador was addressing about 2,000 people in Waterford city for a commemoration to mark the raising of the Tricolour by Young Irelander Thomas Francis Meagher in the city more than 160 years ago.
The Tricolour flag was first raised by Waterford-man Meagher at the Wolfe Tone Confederate Club in the city on March 7th, 1848.
It was presented in Dublin a month later and would go on to become the national flag.
The Mayor of Waterford city, Cllr Mary Roche, and Charles Gautier, who is the mayor of Waterford’s twin town, St Herblain in France, also addressed the gathering.

KeithAFC

bitter wrote: »

What about Irishmen who cherish their British Heritage all over the Island "catholic & protestant"? Ireland is more comlex than you think.. I personally think the flag should be changed with the Harp or a shamrock as an emblem.

Should be green with the harp on it. The Orange takes the piss out of it when most Protestants on the island don't even agree with the flags meaning.

Adrian009

Notorious97 wrote: »

The ‘Brits Out’ mentality isn’t designed to mean protestants out, any genuine republican or nationalist seeks a united Ireland including protestants in this new state, if any refer to Brits out it is generally referring to a British military presence and also the end of London’s interference in all things Irish.

I don't know if that is true. Many of those killed by Irish republicans in the 20th century were Protestant. And coming from a very republican background, I can testify to how republicans viewed Irish Protestants, as un-Irish, pro-Brit and in need of a good beating. Incredibly sectarian, and all based on fear and ignorance.

Northern Ireland was a cold house for Irish Catholics.
Ireland too was a cold house for Irish Protestants.

Adrian009

bitter wrote: »

What about Irishmen who cherish their British Heritage all over the Island "catholic & protestant"? Ireland is more comlex than you think.. I personally think the flag should be changed with the Harp or a shamrock as an emblem.

I don't have a problem with the tri-colour (we should'nt let Sinn Fein monopolise use of it) but the idea of a new flag may not be a bad idea.

The Flag of the President of Ireland is a golden harp on a blue background (blue is just as much an Irish 'colour' as green) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_President_of_Ireland.svg - it is also the Coat of Arms of the entire Island - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_ireland.

Surely we should feel free to swing both of them?

sensibleken

KeithAFC wrote: »

Should be green with the harp on it. The Orange takes the piss out of it when most Protestants on the island don't even agree with the flags meaning.

most protestants dont think there should be peace and unity between orange and green traditions? News to me. Also I didnt know you spoke for most protestants. Tell me what do protestants think of the batman reboot?