Whats so appealing about Medicine ???

!MAVERICK!

Can someone give me valid reasons why there is such high demand for this career in the country??? Apart from the financial aspect ( which I personally dont even think is that rewarding for its work load and educational requirements) Theres loads of other careers which out pass doctors in earnings

I mean you spend half your life studying for the blooming thing and I dont see the role of a doctor as such an attractive profession. You deal with sick,vile, gruesome and diseased people every day for the majority of the day and for the rest of your life.

Id say 70 percent or more of students attending my school will have it as their first choice on their CAO. Whats with the big consensus on it like ? Pick something different for Jesus sake! Particularly the international students.

I mean is there even future employment prospects for the industry with the major HSE cuts?

Irish_Elect_Eng

Hmmmm......

I wonder why you are asking OP.....

There are so many obvious answers to your question...

• Helping others.
• Making a difference.
• Research and Development
• Social Standing.
• Good Money.
• Recession Proof.
• ETC......

!MAVERICK!

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

Hmmmm......

I wonder why you are asking OP.....

There are so many obvious answers to your question...

• Helping others.
• Making a difference.
• Research and Development
• Social Standing.
• Good Money.
• Recession Proof.
• ETC......

You seem to be another one of those platoons of goons, that dominate the industry. ''make a difference'' do you hear yourself? You say that as if they are some kind of god! Can someone else give me a real reply

Chuchoter

I'm going for it because I love science, problem solving, working hard and meeting new people. I like the idea of being able to meet someone who is sick and being able to fix them/make them feel better. Sure there are crazy hours/not so great pay but same with every job. I would never be happy in a desk job or something where you do the exact same thing with the same people year in year out.

In terms of international students, I do see where you are coming from. In my school at least its a combination of cultural expectations (my friend is Chinese, she has never expressed any interest to a large degree in science or medicine, but she's still going for it) and parents being doctors.

Rowley Birkin QC

As well from the many valid reasons listed about there is still a prestige attached to being a doctor in this country. That may also attract people to the profession.

That and the shedloads of money to be made across the course of a career.

Just Like Heaven

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Id say 70 percent or more of students attending my school will have it as their first choice on their CAO.

What School are you attending??? 70% of students?!?!? Something like 3,000 people sit the hpat every year, there will be 1 out of 90 in my year putting medicine down on their CAO in my year.

spurious

I think every year there are people who put down medicine just because they will get the points. They could do any course they want, but head for medicine. Maybe it's the money, maybe it's the prestige, but there are many other careers they could do. Sometimes I wonder what they could have achieved in other fields, had they been given the chance, or had someone suggested it was an option.

I know it wouldn't attract me in the slightest, however much it paid. I don't think I'd cope well dealing with the daily poverty and illness and realistically being unable to do anything about it.

QueenOfLeon

Some people do go for it for the "right" reasons, or at least what I would call the right reasons anyway. But since I came to college I have heard a number of reasons that, at the beginning, I was quite surprised at. I've kind of gotten used to it now, but I do have less respect for people in my class who have given reasons such as "Meh, I knew I'd get the points so I thought I may as well do it"..."Dad's a GP, sure I'll have a handy job there when I graduate"..."Theres nothing else with the same prestige and social status"...

An awful lot of people are in it because of parents, and mainly the international students. They're obviously all naturally intelligent, can take to any subject really, so its quite annoying that they have no real interest or fascination with science yet they can fly through the course and the exams. A lot of them have just been told by their parents that medicine is what they'll do and they haven't argued.

I've seen teachers put pressure on people to do medicine when they know they're capable of the points. When I was in Leaving Cert I got a lot of "well I assume you're applying for medicine then?" and they seemed shocked when other high achieving students picked a different course.

Basically, theres a whole lot of people in the course right now who have little interest in the actual helping others aspect of it, but see the chance of a high salary and prestige, and are capable of the work, so instead of making up their own minds about a course they'll go for the one that people seem to admire most.

Sorry, that was a bit of a rant

randylonghorn

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

You seem to be another one of those platoons of goons, ''make a difference'' do you hear yourself? You say that as if they are some kind of god! Can someone else give me a real reply

Firstly, try being courteous, and don't refer to another user as a goon, please.

Secondly, yes, make a difference ... doctors make a huge difference in the lives of their patients, sometimes even down to saving that life. Doesn't mean they are gods, it means they are doctors.

BostonB

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Can someone give me valid reasons why there is such high demand for this career in the country??? Apart from the financial aspect ( which I personally dont even think is that rewarding for its work load and educational requirements) Theres loads of other careers which out pass doctors in earnings....

Not everyone works solely for money. Which seems to be your primary focus. I'm not making a judgement on either approach. Each to their own.

I would say the focus on high points, and people going into medicine just for the money, or nurses focuses on degrees etc, seems to brought many people, especially doctors with no empathy into the industry.

Smartly Dressed

I've often wondered this myself. Where I come from, if you can achieve 550 comfortably, it's almost a given that you will study medicine/pharmacy/dentistry.

Obviously these people want a job that can satisfy their intellect but when you have the luxury of being able to do ANYTHING you want, why do they always do medicine? I always thought of it as a lack of creativity but now I believe it's a lack of guidance. It seems to me that guidance counselors have nothing to offer the highly intelligent besides ''You're smart. Do medicine/pharmacy. It pays well!''

BostonB

Does anyone have a decent guidance counselor in their school? From what I can see most don't.

Larianne

BostonB wrote: »

Does anyone have a decent guidance counselor in their school? From what I can see most don't.

But it looks good for the school/teachers if a percent of their kids go on to study Medicine.

unknown13

Money talks that is what is so appealing about Medicine

gaeilgegrinds1

Fascinating thread from where I'm sitting.

I got the points from medicine, was always obvious to my teachers I would. I didn't really know what I'd get but wanted to be a teacher. But my career guidance teacher kept saying to put it down. I didn't. Why would I? I didn't want it. Everyone was aghast to hear I wanted to become a teacher! Why? Do we not need intelligent teachers?!

My soon-to-be hubby was always adamant he'd be a doctor. It sucks. He said it's nothing like what he had imagined but only since moving up the line he can stick it. Be prepared to miss out on A LOT. And I mean it. Money isn't great. He makes more than me now but when I did grinds I was making far more than him and only working a few hours the odd evening. If you want to change the world and cure everyone forget it but if you are very socialable and well balanced it might work. Too many so-called geeks did it with him and had to retreat to the lab, it's quite demanding on your social skills. If all that sounds ok, do it. But if it's for money or power, do something else.

!MAVERICK!

fewtinsoffroth wrote: »

What School are you attending??? 70% of students?!?!? Something like 3,000 people sit the hpat every year, there will be 1 out of 90 in my year putting medicine down on their CAO in my year.

The Institute on Leeson street, which is overpopulated trust me, while my statement might be a bit exaggerated, I used it as an illustration, there are hundreds in my school with high aspirations for medicine. Maybe because their parents are pushing it on them... I dont know.

RMD

OP Doctors do make a difference, a huge difference. They can change the lives of many people, not just those they help but their families as well.

There is a lot of money, it's a worldwide qualification, it's constantly challenging and changing which some people strive on. If all you've got your mind set on for the future is money OP, you're more than likely going to be pretty disappointed.

!MAVERICK!

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

As well from the many valid reasons listed about there is still a prestige attached to being a doctor in this country. That may also attract people to the profession.

That and the shedloads of money to be made across the course of a career.

I dont find it in any way prestigious.

Also on the money aspect, they are far overpaid, specifically the mafia dentists in this country who rip us off every time. Has anyone compared Northern Irish prices to ROI dental charges? Big difference!

Hopefully the next cabinet that step up to run this banjaxed country will do something constructive with the health industry.

!MAVERICK!

RMD wrote: »

OP Doctors do make a difference, a huge difference. They can change the lives of many people, not just those they help but their families as well.

There is a lot of money, it's a worldwide qualification, it's constantly challenging and changing which some people strive on. If all you've got your mind set on for the future is money OP, you're more than likely going to be pretty disappointed.

Im not insulting them, I just dont know why there is such hype attached to them.

And concerning financial incentives, I actually find it a great thing to possess, take a look at Michael O' Leary, Bill Gates or Alan Sugar, they all had huge incentives to make money, its all they focused on. They would run through concrete walls to have it. Now look at them... Millions of times times richer than any normal person who receives a wage will ever be. Especially feckin doctors!

BostonB

If only things were that simple.

RMD

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Im not insulting them, I just dont know why there is such hype attached to them.

And concerning financial incentives, I actually find it a great thing to possess, take a look at Michael O' Leary, Bill Gates or Alan Sugar, they all had huge incentives to make money, its all they focused on. They would run through concrete walls to have it. Now look at them... Millions of times times richer than any normal person who receives a wage will ever be. Especially feckin doctors!

But look at what they sacrificed to become that rich. What will you spend your money on when all you do is work and work? Nothing else? What's the point of having money if you don't have the time to enjoy it. And as BostonB said, if only things were that simple. The ratio of dreamers / the success you've mentioned would be 10s of millions. A succesful Doctor earns quite a lot more than most people and are definitely at the higher level of the wage payments short of owning your own successful company.

Chuchoter

Its not easy to make money or be successful, whether you become a doctor or a business person. No matter what you choose if you want to do it well you will work your arse off and sacrifice a lot.

Irish_Elect_Eng

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

You seem to be another one of those platoons of goons, that dominate the industry. ''make a difference'' do you hear yourself? You say that as if they are some kind of god! Can someone else give me a real reply

LOL...

Well that's what I get for answering a question at face value....without checking the OP.....and I guess by "real reply" you mean a reply that reinforces your strongly held opinion of the profession.

I have no connection to the doctors dentists or even vets of this country, except as an occasional customer...I though my user-name would have been a bit of a give-away on that point

Only someone that has never had their own life or the life of loves on such as a child or partner in the hands of a doctor could be so disparaging about the whole profession, but I am sure that is something that a little life experience will teach you. I am also certain that there are good and bad eggs in all professions, but it does take a certain type of person to be a good doctor or nurse and our colleges seem to do a reasonably good job at producing well trained medics.

You seem to be very passionate about a career that you do not want to follow, I would be interested to hear what career makes you even more passionate, passionate enough to follow? And what differentiates that career from others that makes it a life choice worth following for you?

TehFionnster

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

You seem to be another one of those platoons of goons, that dominate the industry. ''make a difference'' do you hear yourself? You say that as if they are some kind of god! Can someone else give me a real reply

If you're not willing to accept other peoples opinions why are you posting?!
Seems that you'll just keep going on calling anyone who wants to do medicine a "goon".
So please, Listen to other peoples opinions and don't dismiss them just because it isn't the reply you were looking for.

IveSeenFire

Well, in Germany, all the best minds become engineers and scientists. It's in the countries interest that the best minds be involved in the creation of wealth, which is something doctors do not do. However in ireland they become doctors because, for the most part, they've no ambition/imagination. For some its just their 'calling' I suppose.

randylonghorn

IveSeenFire wrote: »

It's in the countries interest that the best minds be involved in the creation of wealth ...

It's also in the country's interest, therefore, that some of those "best minds" are involved in keeping all those other "best minds" in good physical and mental health, surely?

!MAVERICK!

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

LOL...

Well that's what I get for answering a question at face value....without checking the OP.....and I guess by "real reply" you mean a reply that reinforces your strongly held opinion of the profession.

I have no connection to the doctors dentists or even vets of this country, except as an occasional customer...I though my user-name would have been a bit of a give-away on that point

Only someone that has never had their own life or the life of loves on such as a child or partner in the hands of a doctor could be so disparaging about the whole profession, but I am sure that is something that a little life experience will teach you. I am also certain that there are good and bad eggs in all professions, but it does take a certain type of person to be a good doctor or nurse and our colleges seem to do a reasonably good job at producing well trained medics.

You seem to be very passionate about a career that you do not want to follow, I would be interested to hear what career makes you even more passionate, passionate enough to follow? And what differentiates that career from others that makes it a life choice worth following for you?

I am passionate about a career in aviation, and as soon as I finish this damned Leaving cert,I will do my best to find employment in aviation, just like my family. And how in the blue would you know that I dont want to follow it or not? Whether it be aeronautical engineering, flying for airlines or cargo corporations, air traffic controlling, airline management,or civil defense, I dont mind.

What differentiates a job in aviation from everyday job like a doctor is .... you'll enjoy a flexible schedule, thats not just the boring 9-5 every single day for your whole life!

A whole lot more responsibility in your hands at a younger age. All the responsibility a doctor has is to look after senile and sick people. And after you finish studying medicine your hairs will of gone gray, and everyone will of had at least a job before you.

Its more sociable and less stressful than health careers.

There is much higher pay to earn as being a pilot or air traffic controller, Average captain salary in Aer Lingus is currently just over €206,000 to be almost exact. When you add the extras such as performance pay, flying pay, pension contributions etc it comes to €290,000. Cant see the average doctors earning that ? And middle eastern airlines pay more believe it or not! Air traffic controllers are the highest earners and it has been said they earned up to 900,000 last year in Spain.

There are incredible travel perks. You'll also have the opportunity to work with people from all over the continent and globally in some airlines, hold a valued position, get to see the world, Learn a new language, and enjoy free travel and accommodation concessions. And be a part of one of the world's largest and most technically advanced industries.

BostonB

Its probably harder to get into flying than medicine. But good luck with that. Dunno why you've got such an axe to grind against medicine though.

QueenOfLeon

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

I will do my best to find employment in aviation, just like my family.

What differentiates a job in aviation from everyday job like a doctor is .... you'll enjoy a flexible schedule, thats not just the boring 9-5 every single day for your whole life!

There is much higher pay to earn

There are incredible travel perks.

You've pinpointed some of the exact same reasons why some people want to do medicine...so what have you got against people who use these reasons for medicine over aviation?

BostonB

What about flying doctors. Do you dislike them too?

jumpguy

Medicine is a wonderfully broad degree, there's so much you can do with it and not just be your classic GP. Sure, yes, it's hard going and you need to work very hard if you want to be successful, but that's the same for almost EVERY job. My brother is an accountant and he commonly works until 9PM, and he is reaping the rewards. So all this "but it's SOOOO hard" stuff is silly, every job where you want to be successful will require a huge amount of work. Unless you're lucky enough to have loaded parents or win the lotto or something it's always gonna be hard.

If you love science and want to apply that knowledge to help people, then medicine is a good choice, with some of the broadest ranges of specialities to choose from, or research if that floats your boat. Yes, you must work hard, as you would in any profession to be successful. If you come out the end of med school, you're gauranteed a good choice of career paths.

And of course there's loads of people who go for it for the wrong reasons. That's their problem unfortunately.

TehFionnster

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

I am passionate about a career in aviation, and as soon as I finish this damned Leaving cert,I will do my best to find employment in aviation, just like my family. And how in the blue would you know that I dont want to follow it or not? Whether it be aeronautical engineering, flying for airlines or cargo corporations, air traffic controlling, airline management,or civil defense, I dont mind.

What differentiates a job in aviation from everyday job like a doctor is .... you'll enjoy a flexible schedule, thats not just the boring 9-5 every single day for your whole life!

A whole lot more responsibility in your hands at a younger age. All the responsibility a doctor has is to look after senile and sick people. And after you finish studying medicine your hairs will of gone gray, and everyone will of had at least a job before you.

Its more sociable and less stressful than health careers.

There is much higher pay to earn as being a pilot or air traffic controller, Average captain salary in Aer Lingus is currently just over €206,000 to be almost exact. When you add the extras such as performance pay, flying pay, pension contributions etc it comes to €290,000. Cant see the average doctors earning that ? And middle eastern airlines pay more believe it or not! Air traffic controllers are the highest earners and it has been said they earned up to 900,000 last year in Spain.

There are incredible travel perks. You'll also have the opportunity to work with people from all over the continent and globally in some airlines, hold a valued position, get to see the world, Learn a new language, and enjoy free travel and accommodation concessions. And be a part of one of the world's largest and most technically advanced industries.

Sure the pay might be higher in some cases? But I've heard you have to pay something like €100,000 for training?
I could be very wrong though.

Also, being a doctor is certainly not "just the boring 9-5 every single day for your whole life!" I'm sure aviation would get incredibly boring after 5 or so years..

youtheman

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Apart from the financial aspect ( which I personally dont even think is that rewarding for its work load and educational requirements)

If you into money, and I'm not saying for a minute that all Doctors are into money, then you can become a 'Consultant'. And you can use the State's facilities to operate a handy 'nixer'. It would be like an Aer Lingus pilot borrowing an Airbus for the weekend to transport his buddies for hire and reward.

IveSeenFire

randylonghorn wrote: »

It's also in the country's interest, therefore, that some of those "best minds" are involved in keeping all those other "best minds" in good physical and mental health, surely?

Yes, some, but a minority. You don't have to be a genius to be a doctor after all. We seem to churn out the doctors and produce no great economists/engineers etc hence why Irish businesses produce almost no internationally tradable goods. The problem is bigger than people appreciate in my opinion.

randylonghorn

IveSeenFire wrote: »

You don't have to be a genius to be a doctor after all.

... but it helps! That said, I would argue that qualities like empathy etc. are at least as important to a good doctor as purely academic intelligence.

IveSeenFire wrote: »

We seem to churn out the doctors and produce no great economists/engineers etc hence why Irish businesses produce almost no internationally tradable goods. The problem is bigger than people appreciate in my opinion.

There are more factors involved than that, I suspect, but I do agree with you re: Ireland not traditionally shining when it comes to producing engineers / innovators. I don't see, however, why you're boiling it down to doctors vs. engineers (etc.) ... in my experience, the type of person and indeed the type of mind which tends to gravitate towards either option is quite different one from the other, and pushing them into the other channel would only produce round pegs in square holes.

Where I think a lot of people on this thread might agree though is that medicine seems to be seen as prestigious by people like careers guidance teachers and indeed even parents sometimes in a way which engineering etc. is not, and that that's not a particularly healthy thing. Imho, young people should be encouraged to follow up on their strengths and interests, whether that's medicine, engineering, social sciences or humanities ... NOT pressured to do some course because its "high points".

rainbowtrout

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Can someone give me valid reasons why there is such high demand for this career in the country??? Apart from the financial aspect ( which I personally dont even think is that rewarding for its work load and educational requirements) Theres loads of other careers which out pass doctors in earnings

I mean you spend half your life studying for the blooming thing and I dont see the role of a doctor as such an attractive profession. You deal with sick,vile, gruesome and diseased people every day for the majority of the day and for the rest of your life.

Id say 70 percent or more of students attending my school will have it as their first choice on their CAO. Whats with the big consensus on it like ? Pick something different for Jesus sake! Particularly the international students.

I mean is there even future employment prospects for the industry with the major HSE cuts?

Can you give some valid reasons why you are so bothered by what other people do with their lives?

Some people don't view other humans as 'sick, vile, gruesome and diseased'. Some people view humans with empathy and would like to make a difference to their lives as horrific as that sounds to you. Other people make that difference in other ways. I'm sure there are plenty of doctors out there who do get satisfaction from seeing a sick person and being able to help them.

Most of your posts seem to revolve around money or the fact that a career in medicine isn't worth the time and effort needed to qualify. It might strike you as odd but not everyone in the world is obsessed with money.

To answer your other question. Medicine has long been regarded as a career with status in Ireland. Consider many of the rural towns and villages. Places without much industry or work. All of these places at the very least had a doctor, a teacher, a priest and a guard. Many of these professions were considered to be prestigious in small communities where everyone knows everyone else. Before free education came in, if you didn't have money you didn't go to college so naturally those that entered professions such as medicine, dentistry, law etc came from backgrounds where their families were generally better off and so the cycle continues. Couple that with the fact that there are still only limited places in medicine in Ireland and you have a career with good prospects, decent wage, decent standard of life and a bit of status if you're into that sort of thing.

Free education has levelled the playing field to a large extent and opened up college to those who may have never attended otherwise. So medicine is now open to a larger pool of people making the race for places more competitive. If you're from a background where there is little or no tradition of third level education it is probably still up there as one of the most prestigious careers a person could have. Not just because of the high points and the money but the other benefits that it brings.

I myself am a teacher, I was the first of my cousins to go to third level. Not because of lack of ability but because of lack of money/college education wasn't free when older cousins were doing the Leaving/lack of interest/ no previous tradition of going to third level in family etc etc. It was big news in the family when not only did I get into college but I got into a 'University' and I was going to be a teacher! Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if I had applied for medicine?

To ask you a question: Is there even any job prospects in the aviation industry? Many airlines have gone bust in the last few years and plenty of qualified pilots are finding it hard to get work. I know one pilot who was working for an airline that went bust, only job he could get was flying internal flights in Nigeria. He was living in a compound on his days off as it was too dangerous to go outside. Hardly what you would call seeing the world.

seriouslysweet

I really don't get why people think there is a lot of money in medicine. My Dad claims he has spent well up on a quarter of a million on his education and insurance thusfar, so a lot of it goes on that!

Patri

God forbid you ever fall ill OP because you'll know what being a doctor means then.

Fad

I know med students, and despite how horrendous their course is at times, it's still quite appealing (Granted, I prefer other areas of science, so I sincerely doubt I'll ever go near it).

It is a very broad degree, and you dont necessarily have to go on and become a doctor in a hospital after, you could go on to do research in a lab environment, you could do that in conjunction with academic work and become a lecturer, you could teach second level.

Working conditions here are horrendous, the dog work you have to do here to eventually make money would negate the nice salary dream. But I really doubt the majority of people going for it are in it for the money.

!MAVERICK!

BostonB wrote: »

Its probably harder to get into flying than medicine. But good luck with that. Dunno why you've got such an axe to grind against medicine though.

No its not, you havent got a clue, Ryanair and Easyjet are recruiting pilots at huge rate at the moment, despite the deregulation of the aviation industry. Ryanair will continue to grow and grow to become the largest airline in the world. In 5-10 years time, they will be recruiting at an even higher rate. furthermore when you have a wide range of contacts that are high up in the company you want to work for, its a walk in. Only takes a year to learn to fly as well.

Contrasting to the medical career which requires 600 puntos in the LC which very few achieve, HPAT pass, 6-10 years more in college, and alot of financial backing to pay for the training which could be considered as equal as the amount paid for flight training.

So how could a career in aviation be harder to get into than medicine? your still thinking about aviation as it was 20-30 years ago, the industry has changed now. And the reason why I am grinding against medicine is because there are too many students thinking they will achieve 600 points in their LC this year which they wont, in my school anyway.

!MAVERICK!

rainbowtrout wrote: »

To ask you a question: Is there even any job prospects in the aviation industry? Many airlines have gone bust in the last few years and plenty of qualified pilots are finding it hard to get work. I know one pilot who was working for an airline that went bust, only job he could get was flying internal flights in Nigeria. He was living in a compound on his days off as it was too dangerous to go outside. Hardly what you would call seeing the world.

Yes air traffic controller exams are taking place this year which there will always be a demand for. And there will also be a demand for over 500,000 pilots throughout Europe in the next 10 years. And the only airlines that have gone bust are the high fare airlines that cant deal with the low fares they are competing with such as Aer Lingus, Lufthansa, Air France, Iberia and BA and so on.

Ryanair are the only reliable source of employment in the aviation industry in Ireland to answer your question.

!MAVERICK!

TehFionnster wrote: »

Sure the pay might be higher in some cases? But I've heard you have to pay something like €100,000 for training?
I could be very wrong though.

Also, being a doctor is certainly not "just the boring 9-5 every single day for your whole life!" I'm sure aviation would get incredibly boring after 5 or so years..

True, many pilots do become sick of their job, but they are the ones that just saw the job as highly paid and don't actually hold a passion for flying.

And yes many people will pay up to 100,000 for flight training, but they are only the expensive over priced flight training organizations such as Oxford aviation academy, and the rip off flight schools here in Ireland like PTC in waterford or the NFC in Weston. If you wanted to become a pilot tomorrow you could properly become a qualified pilot next year for around 50,000 euros at least in the UK. Maybe 45,000 euros in the states.

!MAVERICK!

BostonB wrote: »

What about flying doctors. Do you dislike them too?

My GP was once a pilot, thats the only reason why I got to him.

RMD

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

What differentiates a job in aviation from everyday job like a doctor is .... you'll enjoy a flexible schedule, thats not just the boring 9-5 every single day for your whole life!

A whole lot more responsibility in your hands at a younger age. All the responsibility a doctor has is to look after senile and sick people. And after you finish studying medicine your hairs will of gone gray, and everyone will of had at least a job before you.

Its more sociable and less stressful than health careers.

There is much higher pay to earn as being a pilot or air traffic controller, Average captain salary in Aer Lingus is currently just over €206,000 to be almost exact. When you add the extras such as performance pay, flying pay, pension contributions etc it comes to €290,000. Cant see the average doctors earning that ? And middle eastern airlines pay more believe it or not! Air traffic controllers are the highest earners and it has been said they earned up to 900,000 last year in Spain.

You know so little about Medicine it's embarassing yourself.

You talk about becoming an Air Traffic Controller yet mention one of the faults of health care being stres? ATC is arguably one of the most stressful jobs in the world if you're working in a busy airport. You make a mistake and you're potentially dooming 200+ people to death.

BostonB

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

No its not, you havent got a clue, Ryanair and Easyjet are recruiting pilots at huge rate at the moment, despite the deregulation of the aviation industry. Ryanair will continue to grow and grow to become the largest airline in the world. In 5-10 years time, they will be recruiting at an even higher rate. furthermore when you have a wide range of contacts that are high up in the company you want to work for, its a walk in. Only takes a year to learn to fly as well. ...

You should tell the guys on PPrune that. The forums over there have always been full of people who can't get into aviation. Also of people in aviation moaning about how bad it is. Of course if you can walk into it. Why are you here, giving out about medicine. It should be irrelevant to you.

BostonB

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

My GP was once a pilot, thats the only reason why I got to him.

Once a pilot. Now a GP.

RMD

BostonB wrote: »

You should tell the guys on PPrune that. The forums over there have always been full of people who can't get into aviation. Also of people in aviation moaning about how bad it is. Of course if you can walk into it. Why are you here, giving out about medicine. It should be irrelevant to you.

A close friend of mine got his pilot license in America last year and after searching for a job for 4 months there he's had to come back here to sit 9 exams here so he can apply for a job in Ireland, to which he's worried about not getting a job. Certainly sounds like a career anyone can walk into.

randylonghorn

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Contrasting to the medical career which requires 600 puntos in the LC ...

No, it doesn't.

Decent points, yes, but 600 or near it is not essential. In fact since they changed the system a couple of years ago, those extra points after 560 are of far less benefit to candidates (whether that's a good or a bad thing is a different discussion).

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

And the reason why I am grinding against medicine is because there are too many students thinking they will achieve 600 points in their LC this year which they wont, in my school anyway.

Their problem, surely?

Why is it any concern of yours, or why do you feel the need to "grind against" it quite so passionately?

I had the points for medicine in my time, but absolutely no interest in following that path. It didn't make me want to disparage those who did, though.

rainbowtrout

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Yes air traffic controller exams are taking place this year which there will always be a demand for. And there will also be a demand for over 500,000 pilots throughout Europe in the next 10 years. And the only airlines that have gone bust are the high fare airlines that cant deal with the low fares they are competing with such as Aer Lingus, Lufthansa, Air France, Iberia and BA and so on.

Ryanair are the only reliable source of employment in the aviation industry in Ireland to answer your question.

Have you got a link to back up that figure. I have never heard of any profession where it is expected that half a million jobs become available in any space of time.

There are exams taking place for jobs a whole host of professions this year which there will always be a demand for yet that doesn't mean there are any jobs in the area.

!MAVERICK!

RMD wrote: »

A close friend of mine got his pilot license in America last year and after searching for a job for 4 months there he's had to come back here to sit 9 exams here so he can apply for a job in Ireland, to which he's worried about not getting a job. Certainly sounds like a career anyone can walk into.

Thats because he got an FAA licence, which is foolish. Has he carried out all of his licences in America? there isn't just one course your know, theres about 6 licences you need to hold in order to apply for an airline. Airlines in Europe prefer to recruit pilots who carried out all of their training under a certified JAA (Joint aviaiton authority) (European) FTO (Flight training organization). Plus does he have any contacts in any airlines???

!MAVERICK!

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Have you got a link to back up that figure. I have never heard of any profession where it is expected that half a million jobs become available in any space of time.

There are exams taking place for jobs a whole host of professions this year which there will always be a demand for yet that doesn't mean there are any jobs in the area.

Do you even read the news? do you know anything?

Heres your evidence!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11328092