still born twins-registration

babybrian

Just had a freisian cow throw out twins that are dead for awhile by the looks of it with maybe one inside out causing the other to die . Anyway there a complete mess and wondering what do I do in terms of registering them and tagging??(I dont even know where there ears are) Or can I just bury them on the farm?

whelan1

just get knackery to take them and register 1 of them give him the tag.... you will need to register the calving for milk recording/icbf data

babybrian

ok thanks

Bizzum

Went through this a number of years ago.
Officially you tag and register the twins. How long did the cow carry them do you know?

babybrian

she was due on the 4th of Feb so only 2 weeks 2day, great cow too and she hasnt shown much signs of springing but that will come back I hope. 3rd calving. I've heard of inside-out calves before but never seen it and its not too nice!!

Bizzum

It wouldn't happen a bad cow!
The dept that time with me pulled me up over having too many sets of twins and made me do DNA on them. Even though the first set were dead, the next 2 cows to calve had a live set each.
Dept vet came out and done it.

Tora Bora

If twas me there would be no registration and no knackery. I'd keep the few tags for something that deserved it, and I'd get out the auld darby shovel and give the thing a decent burial. Then with the few spondooliks saved, I'd have a few scoops :cool:

Jay_C

Tora Bora wrote: »

If twas me there would be no registration and no knackery. I'd keep the few tags for something that deserved it, and I'd get out the auld darby shovel and give the thing a decent burial. Then with the few spondooliks saved, I'd have a few scoops :cool:

I'd be the of the same opinion,Just bury them.Though officially you'd have to register them then bring them to the knackery!

LostCovey

Jay_C wrote: »

I'd be the of the same opinion,Just bury them.

Burial is only illegal - don't fret to much about that

Traceability is over-rated anyway.

We're only producing food, so it really doesn't matter that much.

Jay_C

LostCovey wrote: »

Burial is only illegal - don't fret to much about that

Traceability is over-rated anyway.

We're only producing food, so it really doesn't matter that much.

What are you actually trying to say here?

LostCovey

Jay_C wrote: »

What are you actually trying to say here?

I am trying Jay_C to say that we sell food on the basis that we have happy healthy animals in a natural mainly grass-based production system. We tell our consumers Jay_C that we have good traceability, and we farm responsibly, preserving the air quality and the safety of our groundwater.

I was suggesting Jay_C, through sarcasm, that maybe advocating that the OP commit fraud and bury the evidence is not a brilliant idea.

I was suggesting Jay_C that maybe having full traceability means that we know how many cows have twins, and how many of these are stillborn.

Having that type of data, Jay_C might mean that the authorities know just how common twinning is in cows on grass, and that the poster above might needlessly not come under suspicion for his twinning rate.

Any system can be wrecked by sabotage like your advice. People like you wreck it for the rest of us, who comply with the basic requirements.

LostCovey

Jay_C

LostCovey wrote: »

I am trying Jay_C to say that we sell food on the basis that we have happy healthy animals in a natural mainly grass-based production system. We tell our consumers Jay_C that we have good traceability, and we farm responsibly, preserving the air quality and the safety of our groundwater.

I was suggesting Jay_C, through sarcasm, that maybe advocating that the OP commit fraud and bury the evidence is not a brilliant idea.

I was suggesting Jay_C that maybe having full traceability means that we know how many cows have twins, and how many of these are stillborn.

Having that type of data, Jay_C might mean that the authorities know just how common twinning is in cows on grass, and that the poster above might needlessly not come under suspicion for his twinning rate.

Any system can be wrecked by sabotage like your advice. People like you wreck it for the rest of us, who comply with the basic requirements.

LostCovey

Oh Fair Enough

LostCovey

Jay_C wrote: »

Oh Fair Enough

Grand, so.

The_Conductor

Tora Bora wrote: »

If twas me there would be no registration and no knackery. I'd keep the few tags for something that deserved it, and I'd get out the auld darby shovel and give the thing a decent burial. Then with the few spondooliks saved, I'd have a few scoops :cool:

2 day ban for advocating illegal activity.
Irrespective of whether the farmer intended to milk the cow or not- advocating going on a tag swapping spree- is illegal, fullstop.

The_Conductor

Jay_C wrote: »

I'd be the of the same opinion,Just bury them.Though officially you'd have to register them then bring them to the knackery!

This may be your opinion- however if there are more of a similar mind to you out there- we are in serious trouble. The big thing we have going for us here- is our image of clean farming- its why the Germans buy so many of our dairy products. Advocating or agreeing with tag swapping- destroys traceability, and could cause serious harm to our image with consumers.

BeeDI

I'm all for tracability myself. However the tracability system imposes serious extra costs on farmers, which has never ever been recognized in the price we get for our produce. If you ask me its a manifesto for pen pushing beurocrats. Listened to Ireland biggest pig farmer on the radio this morning, who has now got out of the business because no money to be made. He used to supply pigs for the Denney brand. Now the processor imports cheap pork, and guess what ..... it's labeled Denney. WTF!! This tracability lark in my mind is a total fcuking joke if that's acceptable.

pajero12

LostCovey wrote: »

I am trying Jay_C to say that we sell food on the basis that we have happy healthy animals in a natural mainly grass-based production system. We tell our consumers Jay_C that we have good traceability, and we farm responsibly, preserving the air quality and the safety of our groundwater.


LostCovey

I fully agree with what your saying here,and what you just said made me think,Is any consideration taken into farms near cemeteries?. Surely there must be massive amounts of ground water pollution there?

BeeDI

pajero12 wrote: »

I fully agree with what your saying here,and what you just said made me think,Is any consideration taken into farms near cemeteries?. Surely there must be massive amounts of ground water pollution there?

Exactly. Never mind dogs, cats and other family pets. And do you suppose the activities of knackeries leave no pollution behind. This whole bullmanure is to create jobs for box tickers. What did our grandfathers do when a cow died.?

Shauny2010

smccarrick wrote: »

This may be your opinion- however if there are more of a similar mind to you out there- we are in serious trouble. The big thing we have going for us here- is our image of clean farming- its why the Germans buy so many of our dairy products. Advocating or agreeing with tag swapping- destroys traceability, and could cause serious harm to our image with consumers.

Why dont you ban Jc as well, give him 3 days:D

whelan1

correct me if i am wrong but if you are burying an animal you need to get a licence of your dvo

pajero12

Shauny2010 wrote: »

Why dont you ban Jc as well, give him 3 days:D

Shauny...3 days for days for back seat modding :P

whelan1 wrote: »

correct me if i am wrong but if you are burying an animal you need to get a licence of your dvo

Does this refer to small animals like, I thought burial of all animals was illegal?