Mary Lou McDonald (SF) Radio Controversy (mod warning: post 56)

Monty Burnz

Saw this on another board:

Yesterday on Pat Kenny, Sinn Feins, Mary Lou McDonald repeatedly lied about voting for the the bank guarantee. She insisted SF didnt vote for the bank guarantee. Eventually Pat Kenny had one of his researchers go and check the Dail record and it was found that Sinn Fein DID vote for the bank guarantee.

The arrogant little bitch was caught lying through her teeth on national radio. Check the replay, its repugnant to listen to her.

http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2011/pc/pod- ... tkenny.mp3

Start listening at about 17:30 minutes for the initial denial. They take a break and come back to it at around 24:30. She isn't exactly made to squirm.

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1777&start=9060

What do we think folks? This is one of my concerns about Sinn Fein - their Fianna Failure-like flexible attitude towards the truth.


(mod warning posted in post 56: read it before posting on this thread please folks)

InchicoreDude

Was she lying or was she making a simple innocent mistake?

It is hard to know which would be worse actually!

super_furry

Sinn Fein lying? I won't believe it! Next thing you'll be telling me they're robbing banks.

LordSutch

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Was she lying or was she making a simple innocent mistake?

mistake? Oh please :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Was she lying or was she making a simple innocent mistake?

I think she knows very well which way her party voted for the most important/disastrous decision made in this country in living memory - but I take your point. How could she not know?

aujopimur

If I was the only person in Ireland with a vote and S.F. were the only party I would not vote for them.
It will be a sad day for us all when S.F. start calling the shots. (Pardon the pun)

Bottle_of_Smoke

LordSutch wrote: »

mistake? Oh please :rolleyes:

Definitely a mistake. That's the kind of lie you just can't get away with. One would have thought she'd have some sort of squirm reasoning planned for that question but clearly not.

She now looks far worse than she would have if she gave any explanation of why they voted for it.

zig

thats a weird one, it wasnt exactly a lie you can in any way get away with so its hard to say really.

Rosahane

Now, now, we don't do condemnation :rolleyes:;):D:p

InchicoreDude

mistake? Oh please

Well I find it hard that she would willingly lie about this when people could so easily find out. You could probably check this on the internet as I am sure it was common knowledge at the time and would have been reported in the various news stations.

Whatever about SF lying about other issues, it does not seem likely she would have knowingly lied about this.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think she knows very well which way her party voted for the most important/disastrous decision made in this country in living memory - but I take your point. How could she not know?

She's not a TD, she probably wasn't paying much attention. She's a SF candidate for being middle class, appearing passionate/likeable on camera, but certainly not for political or economic competency.

Monty Burnz

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Whatever about SF lying about other issues, it does not seem likely she would have knowingly lied about this.

Unless it's an ingrained habit - SF supporters will often shout you down in situations like this.

If we say it wasn't a lie (we can't know that of course) it was certainly a mistaked of astonishing foolishness. That would be akin to Brian Cowen not knowing whether his party had voted for or against the Good Friday Agreement.

Monty Burnz

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

She's not a TD.

I'm not a TD, and I know which way all of the parties voted. I wasn't even in the country at the time.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

If we say it wasn't a lie (we can't know that of course) it was certainly a mistaked of astonishing foolishness. That would be akin to Brian Cowen not knowing whether his party had voted for or against the Good Friday Agreement.

Yeah that sounds spot on when you consider its Mary-Lou McDonald we're talking about!

Bottle_of_Smoke

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm not a TD, and I know which way all of the parties voted. I wasn't even in the country at the time.

There was another few words in that sentence mate. And the next sentence explained it too. I'm not defending her actions I just believe this was more to do with ineptness than lying

Tipp Man

One of the most important votes ever to come before Dail Eireann and she "forgot" which way her party voted??

Please can the sympatisers do us all a favour and stop playing us for mugs any longer

If these guys get a sniff of power it will be exactly the same - they will ruin this country

InchicoreDude

Unless it's an ingrained habit - SF supporters will often shout you down in situations like this.

If we say it wasn't a lie (we can't know that of course) it was certainly a mistaked of astonishing foolishness. That would be akin to Brian Cowen not knowing whether his party had voted for or against the Good Friday Agreement.

I agree that it is a huge mistake for a politician to make (See my original reply). But I really dont see how she could expect to get away a lie like this - she couldnt. So she wouldnt have attempted it. It was perhaps just a slip in the interview. The interview does go on to state how SF claimed shortly after the bank bailout that they were misled so they regretted backing it. In that context, the mistake was probably easier to make.

But I do agree that it is a mistake that an experienced politician should not be making

whywonder

If she didn't know, she should have admitted she didn't know and not just taken a stab at it and guessed.

Now, she has only succeeded in making herself appear foolish. But in a situation where the best case scenario was that she was forgetful, maybe foolish isn't too terrible and outcome.

Wolfe Tone

Lol, what a fool, I say it was a mistake she couldnt be so idiotic to lie about that!

InchicoreDude

One of the most important votes ever to come before Dail Eireann and she "forgot" which way her party voted??

Please can the sympatisers do us all a favour and stop playing us for mugs any longer

I'm no SF sympathiser. I'm a logical thinker. And thinking logically, it would not make sense that she would knowlingly say something like that on national radio

johngalway

I heard it live, Pat Rabbitte was adamant and she was all bluster and talking over people - as usual. Fair play to Plank for checking it out. Even after that, instead of saying she'd made a mistake (I'm being diplomatic) she waffled on around the subject, caught rotten Mary Lou.

Tipp Man

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I'm no SF sympathiser. I'm a logical thinker. And thinking logically, it would not make sense that she would knowlingly say something like that on national radio

Are you a SF supporter? Or a member of SF??

Leiva

johngalway wrote: »

I heard it live, Pat Rabbitte was adamant and she was all bluster and talking over people - as usual. Fair play to Plank for checking it out. Even after that, instead of saying she'd made a mistake (I'm being diplomatic) she waffled on around the subject, caught rotten Mary Lou.

She is a pompus git ..I would say it was more her been inept than lying .

InchicoreDude

Are you a SF supporter? Or a member of SF??

Not at all

I do not support any one party above another party

LostinKildare

Gosh, this far into the thread, everyone having great fun calling McDonald nasty names, and no one checked to see whether she was telling the truth? tsk tsk people

Sinn Fein voted against the bank guarantee scheme. It is just as she explained it:

The Dáil has approved the terms of the bank guarantee scheme by 114 votes to 22.
The measure was opposed by Labour and by Sinn Féin, who had earlier supported the Credit Institutions Bill.
Sinn Féin's Arthur Morgan said the party chose not to offer its support to the terms and conditions of the document because the detailed scheme did not give enough protection to the taxpayer.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1017/economy.html

RobbieTheRobber

Tipp Man wrote: »

Are you a SF supporter? Or a member of SF??

Are you a member of any political party who may have something to gain by discrediting SF?

Mental Mickey

mixednuts wrote: »

She is a pompus git ..I would say it was more her been inept than lying .

100% agree. Can't ****ing abide her.

Tipp Man

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Are you a member of any political party who may have something to gain by discrediting SF?

Not at all - I have outlined this before on here but will save you the bother of looking through my history

Not a member of any party, a suporter of any party, canvassed for any party, or donated to any party

In fact I have never actually voted so I am a blank canvas

PomBear

LostinKildare wrote: »

Gosh, this far into the thread, everyone having great fun calling McDonald nasty names, and no one checked to see whether she was telling the truth? tsk tsk people

Sinn Fein voted against the bank guarantee scheme. It is just as she explained it:

Says it all that people are willing to slam SF without knowing the facts and vote for two sides of the same coin in FG.

Subservience, maybe?

largepants

Again I'm no SF voter but I'm a little confused about some of the comments about them.

Ireland as a country has moved on. Certain sector of the GAA were considered dinosaurs for not being in favour of 'foreign games' in Croke Park. They were told to move on and forget the past. Irish people who shout against England (in any sport) are told to wise-up and that English rule was now history. I'm sure when the Queen visits our country later in the year we'll have the usual demonstrations. These demonstrations will be ridiculed right, left and centre by everyone. Again people will be told to move on as we're being petty.

Are SF not attempting to move on? When will SF be considered acceptable?

Leiva

LostinKildare wrote: »

Gosh, this far into the thread, everyone having great fun calling McDonald nasty names, and no one checked to see whether she was telling the truth? tsk tsk people

Sinn Fein voted against the bank guarantee scheme. It is just as she explained it:

Will the Plank apologise ? ..like shoite he will .

InchicoreDude

That link to rte says they earlier supported the credit institutions bill - is that what they were talking about on the radio?

johngalway

mixednuts wrote: »

She is a pompus git ..I would say it was more her been inept than lying .

I don't agree with much of what she says, and her tone/accent just grates on me :rolleyes: But anyway...

As Plank said, when something like that is so easily verifiable, you'd think if she wasn't sure she'd have said as much. Not exactly a mortal sin that.

When in a hole, stop digging, but even after it had been checked she was still throwing dirt from the pit :pac:

Leiva

PomBear wrote: »

Says it all that people are willing to slam SF without knowing the facts and vote for two sides of the same coin in FG.

Subservience, maybe?

Excuse me I did not slam SF , in fact they have a few good candidates , but that weapon needs to brought down a peg or 7 .

RobbieTheRobber

mixednuts wrote: »

Excuse me I did not slam SF , in fact they have a few good candidates , but that weapon needs to brought down a peg or 7 .

Surely though you dont intend to use disinformation to discredit her?

Leiva

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Surely though you dont intend to use disinformation to discredit her?

Had my mind made up about her long before she decided to dig herself a unnecessary hole .

RobbieTheRobber

mixednuts wrote: »

Had my mind made up about her long before she decided to dig herself a unnecessary hole .

An unnessecary hole how?

By being right and getting accused by an over paid RTe correspondant who should definetly get his facts right before accusing someone of lying on live broadcast?

PomBear

mixednuts wrote: »

Excuse me I did not slam SF , in fact they have a few good candidates , but that weapon needs to brought down a peg or 7 .

She was an elected MEP and has a good chance of being elected a TD and vice prez of the party, very committed to her constituency and very passionate. She's a good politician and would make a good TD, I just see the anti-Mary lou sentiment being a sentiment being an part of Anti-SF sentiment by the opposition.

Leiva

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

An unnessecary hole how?

By being right and getting accused by an over paid RTe correspondant who should definetly get his facts right before accusing someone of lying on live broadcast?

I didnt write the title of this thread .
I never said she lied ..I said if anything she is inept .
I have seen plenty of her wind & piss before today to make my assumptions.
I have gone off thread .
I think the thread should be closed as proven now not to be facts
I will stop now.

Nodin

LostinKildare wrote: »

Gosh, this far into the thread, everyone having great fun calling McDonald nasty names, and no one checked to see whether she was telling the truth? tsk tsk people

Sinn Fein voted against the bank guarantee scheme. It is just as she explained it:

The Dáil has approved the terms of the bank guarantee scheme by 114 votes to 22.
The measure was opposed by Labour and by Sinn Féin, who had earlier supported the Credit Institutions Bill.
Sinn Féin's Arthur Morgan said the party chose not to offer its support to the terms and conditions of the document because the detailed scheme did not give enough protection to the taxpayer.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1017/economy.html

Well done Sir.

I trust this will remind some to keep their pitchforks on 'safety'.

Dempo1

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Saw this on another board:

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1777&start=9060

What do we think folks? This is one of my concerns about Sinn Fein - their Fianna Failure-like flexible attitude towards the truth.

Not terribly surprising, Mrs Loooooooo along with her VBF Gerry Adams, have not got a clue about the Irish Economy or what their own party has done south of the Boarder. It amazes me to see Mrs Loooo, a failed politician turning up at every press conference both north and south and yet has not been elected to any political office, I suppose Gerry gifted her the VP position of sinn fein to keep her in the Public Eye!

Jesus wept, its bad enough with the shower elected without having this whining, negative and quite Dim individual elected again! Eeeek:eek:

Wolfe Tone

LostinKildare wrote: »

Gosh, this far into the thread, everyone having great fun calling McDonald nasty names, and no one checked to see whether she was telling the truth? tsk tsk people

Sinn Fein voted against the bank guarantee scheme. It is just as she explained it:

lol well done!

Gunsfortoys

This is more embarrassing work from Plank and his RTE staff.

Can't even verify something properly without messing up.

LOL at people still posting saying she was wrong.

Tipp Man

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

An unnessecary hole how?

By being right and getting accused by an over paid RTe correspondant who should definetly get his facts right before accusing someone of lying on live broadcast?

Maybe you should get your facts right. Pat Kenny accused her of nothing, it was Pat Rabbitte who accused SF of voting for the bank guarantee not Pat Kenny.

LostinKildare

InchicoreDude wrote: »

That link to rte says they earlier supported the credit institutions bill - is that what they were talking about on the radio?

No, they specifically said the bank guarantee. When Kenny comes back, having had the charge factchecked by a factchecker who should lose his/her job, he repeats that accusation that Sinn Fein voted for the bank guarantee, and McDonald explains about the two separate votes. She is completely correct.

I posted about this here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69476088&postcount=27

Don't believe everything you hear on Pat Kenny, people.

Leiva

LostinKildare wrote: »

Don't believe everything you hear on Pat Kenny, people.

:rolleyes:
Suppose your gonna tell me not to believe anything on Joe Duffy either

Dempo1

LostinKildare wrote: »

Gosh, this far into the thread, everyone having great fun calling McDonald nasty names, and no one checked to see whether she was telling the truth? tsk tsk people

Sinn Fein voted against the bank guarantee scheme. It is just as she explained it:

Yes apologies, Just like Paul Gogarty, the mere mention of Mrs Loooo's name inducing extreme nausea and Vomiting!:rolleyes:

LostinKildare

Tipp Man wrote: »

Maybe you should get your facts right. Pat Kenny accused her of nothing, it was Pat Rabbitte who accused SF of voting for the bank guarantee not Pat Kenny.

Maybe you should get your facts right. Kenny calls her duplicitous and repeats the accusation at 24:30 in the podcast the OP links to.

RobbieTheRobber

Tipp Man wrote: »

Maybe you should get your facts right. Pat Kenny accused her of nothing, it was Pat Rabbitte who accused SF of voting for the bank guarantee not Pat Kenny.

:rolleyes: indeed he did!
Pat kenny at about 25 minutes into that recording in the first post post says and i quote

"let me tell you were you were being duplicitous"
refering to marys denial of a SF vote for the blanket bank guarantee

Now if accusing someone of being duplicitous isnt calling them a liar what is it?

hotmail.com

Mary Mac = major chancer. She's been exposed many times.

PomBear

LostinKildare wrote: »

Maybe you should get your facts right. Kenny calls her duplicitous and repeats the accusation at 24:30 in the podcast the OP links to.

Think Pat Kenny would have learned from when he tried to pin the whole North's budget on SF, Pearse Doherty schooled him on it.

Kenny just came across as a tool.