TD'S TO FORM NEW FF - Evening Herald

PatsytheNazi · 21-01-2011 2:54pm #1

It's the front page headline in the Herald. Conor Leniham has an article confirming this :eek: Well we all guessed it would happen sometime, the sooner the better and the Gombeen and cute hoor party that has dominated Irish politics for 60/70 years is thrown to the history dump and be a bye word for corruption, cronyism and incompetence. Great day for Ireland, hip, hip, hooray !!! So what's the strategy, FF will be splitting into bad Fianna Fail and good Fianna Fail ?

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And I'm sure their will be a big demand for FF Nua

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-01-2011 2:59pm

Typical sensationalist over the top healdine from that rag. Heard Lenihan on the radio earlier and he said no such thing. He mentioned the possibility of such an event happening if things continued as they are.

baalthor · 21-01-2011 2:59pm

What's the point?
Will it have major policy or ideological differences from seanFF ?

Pherekydes · 21-01-2011 3:00pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

It's the front page headline in the Herald. Conor Leniham has an article confirming this :eek: Well we all guessed it would happen sometime, the sooner the better and the Gombeen and cute hoor party that has dominated Irish politics for 60/70 years is thrown to the history dump and be a bye word for corruption, cronyism and incompetence. Great day for Ireland, hip, hip, hooray !!! So what's the strategy, FF will be splitting into bad Fianna Fail and good Fianna Fail ? .

And I'm sure their will be a big demand for FF Nua

How will we know the difference?

RobbieTheRobber · 21-01-2011 3:01pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

It's the front page headline in the Herald. Conor Leniham has an article confirming this :eek: Well we all guessed it would happen sometime, the sooner the better and the Gombeen and cute hoor party that has dominated Irish politics for 60/70 years is thrown to the history dump and be a bye word for corruption, cronyism and incompetence. Great day for Ireland, hip, hip, hooray !!! So what's the strategy, FF will be splitting into bad Fianna Fail and good Fianna Fail ? .

And I'm sure their will be a big demand for FF Nua

Isnt this what happened when the pd's split from the party, oh plus some fine gaelers.

Its seems we are doing a repeat of 1985

FreudianSlippers · 21-01-2011 3:05pm

Maybe I should run for the new party in Dublin Central

hotmail.com · 21-01-2011 3:18pm

Herald has no credibility with these sensationalist stories.

It's a possibility, particularly if Cowen stays on as leader, but it's a while away yet.

Devilman40k · 21-01-2011 3:30pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Herald has no credibility with these sensationalist stories.

It's a possibility, particularly if Cowen stays on as leader, but it's a while away yet.

Its about 5 days away at the rate things are going!

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-01-2011 3:31pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Isnt this what happened when the pd's split from the party, oh plus some fine gaelers.

Its seems we are doing a repeat of 1985

Not really. The PD's were a distinct new ideologically driven party. A new FF would not imo be any different, ideologicaly, from old FF

DJCR · 21-01-2011 3:39pm

Disgraceful behaviour. Why not reform FF now. They're going down, lets jump of the ship into what they see as the preverbial "lifeboat".

Nothing but an advertising scam - just because you change the label doesn't mean you change whats in the box. Would be very dissapointed in them if they did this. Its not like the PD's where a minority left the party.

In this case a major number of the party want change, so with the numbers, do us all a favour get off your asses and work to make the change instead of cutting and running and giving us another copy cat party that will win a few seats and then go into government with FF next time they get in.

Why create a new party anyway .... go join the PD's (same difference)!!

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-01-2011 3:41pm

DJCR wrote: »

Why create a new party anyway .... go join the PD's (same difference)!!

Join the PD's?

RobbieTheRobber · 21-01-2011 3:42pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Not really. The PD's were a distinct new ideologically driven party. A new FF would not imo be any different, ideologicaly, from old FF

I wasnt old enough in 1985 to know their founding idealogy, but I always saw them as FF lite, this was probably caused by the fact they were alwasy in governemtn with fianna fail.

Did some of their members not rejoin FF when the party disintergrated?

Cranky Mc Funhouse · 21-01-2011 3:45pm

Apparently its going to be called the 'I cant believe its not Fianna fail' party.

PatsytheNazi · 21-01-2011 3:46pm

DJCR wrote: »

Why create a new party anyway .... go join the PD's (same difference)!!

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I wasnt old enough in 1985 to know their founding idealogy, but I always saw them as FF lite, this was probably caused by the fact they were alwasy in governemtn with fianna fail.

Did some of their members not rejoin FF when the party disintergrated?

But the PD's weren't any different really. They joined in coalition with FF, implemeting FF policies. Enjoyed all the perks, state cars, FAS, $600 hair do's etc.

The PD's were morally bankrupt from the day they were founded as their cut from the same cloth as FF, Jackie Healy Rae etc

steelcityblues · 21-01-2011 3:47pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Not really. The PD's were a distinct new ideologically driven party. A new FF would not imo be any different, ideologicaly, from old FF

More to do with Dessie trying to get one over on his old nemesis - ideology came a distant second!

Mary Harney in particular seemed all too comfortable sitting in cabinet(s) with the very people she supposedly left behind for good in 1985.

InchicoreDude · 21-01-2011 3:57pm

There were mutterings a few months back that some FG & some FF members were considering building a new party that was not based on civil war politics. I think it may have been not long after the FG leadership battle.

But Does Ireland really need another party? Will breaking up the vote into smaller fragmented parties be helpful? I am not so sure it would and would instead advocate a overhaul of the way we do government (Voting for a national cabinet to somewhat remove local politics from national issues would be my approach).

If FF were to start a new party, I would say old FF will die - couldnt see many sticking around. So Would that mean new FF would just be the same FF?

iamwhoiam · 21-01-2011 3:58pm

We havnt heard a peep out of Conor Lenihan in years, he was invisable and as far as I know never did a thing for his "people ."
Now he suddenly raises his head and roars like a bull and thinks we are all stupid and admire his little war? I for one will run him from my door be it a New FF or an Old FF or all singing all dancing FF

PatsytheNazi · 21-01-2011 4:13pm

InchicoreDude wrote: »

There were mutterings a few months back that some FG & some FF members were considering building a new party that was not based on civil war politics. I think it may have been not long after the FG leadership battle.

But Does Ireland really need another party? Will breaking up the vote into smaller fragmented parties be helpful? I am not so sure it would and would instead advocate a overhaul of the way we do government (Voting for a national cabinet to somewhat remove local politics from national issues would be my approach).

If FF were to start a new party, I would say old FF will die - couldnt see many sticking around. So Would that mean new FF would just be the same FF?

I would say if we have a FF split, the new FF would hope some day to join as a minority party with FG ( who are just snotty FF anyway). This joining of FG in a 'temporary' coalition would evolve into a gradual swallowing up of the rump FF Nua or whatever they'd call themselves by the auld enemy FG.

As for old FF - the political dustbin, the sooner the better.

scientific1982 · 21-01-2011 4:30pm

Does anyone actually care at this stage. The sooner we get this election the better. FF are all but obsolete.

PatsytheNazi · 21-01-2011 4:49pm

scientific1982 wrote: »

Does anyone actually care at this stage. The sooner we get this election the better. FF are all but obsolete.

Well it's nice to get a glow of schadenfreude at their demise

Who could have thought when they were elected in 2007 that they would be heading for a total hammering and falling apart as a party in 2011 ? If anyone on boards.ie had said it, they would have been accused of stupid trolling or insane.

Leiva · 21-01-2011 5:19pm

NEW FIANNA FAIL

ermm the name , epic fail from the start .

scientific1982 · 21-01-2011 5:20pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Well it's nice to get a glow of schadenfreude at their demise

Who could have thought when they were elected in 2007 that they would be heading for a total hammering and falling apart as a party in 2011 ? If anyone on boards.ie had said it, they would have been accused of stupid trolling or insane.

I'm delighted they're on the way out. Its just that they arent really that important anymore. Was thinking of that today too. Who would have thought the slick machine that was FF would be in such a state in 2011.

ballsymchugh · 21-01-2011 5:35pm

what will they be called?

provisional fianna fail?
official fianna fail?
real fianna fail?
continuity fianna fail?
direct action against drugs?

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 21-01-2011 5:38pm

i thought " the green party " was the new fianna fail ????

RobbieTheRobber · 21-01-2011 5:39pm

Maybe the can borrow from a bertieism and call themselves socialist fianna fail.

Or even better in an effort to distance themselves drop the fianna part and call themselves socialist fail!

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-01-2011 5:54pm

steelcityblues wrote: »

More to do with Dessie trying to get one over on his old nemesis - ideology came a distant second!

Mary Harney in particular seemed all too comfortable sitting in cabinet(s) with the very people she supposedly left behind for good in 1985.

And why not?? They were getting their economic ploicies implemented.

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-01-2011 5:56pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

But the PD's weren't any different really. They joined in coalition with FF, implemeting FF policies. Enjoyed all the perks, state cars, FAS, $600 hair do's etc.

It wasa the other way around to a large degree, with FF implementing PD ploicy.

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

The PD's were morally bankrupt from the day they were founded as their cut from the same cloth as FF, Jackie Healy Rae etc

It's the fact a that they were completely different breed than the likes of Healy rae that was a factor in their breakaway from FF

Dirk Gently · 21-01-2011 6:04pm

is this just a "not under cowen FF". What of the other mutterings of a new party for the grassroots movement too? Is it possible there will be a 3 way split with zero idealogical difference leaving us with 4 FF parties in total, when you include FG too.

FF

The real FF (those without cowen)

The peoples front of FF (grassroots breakway)

FG (Fianna Fail in all but name who call themselves Fine Gael because of a tribal gene which stunts their natural evolution)

I do hope there is at least 1 spit in the current FF party, preferably a 50/50 membership split which would give each side electoral returns similar to what SF and the greens previously got. That would leave us with just one "big" tribal party, namely FG. A great opportunity for new movements to build new reforming and accountable politics with just one of the two stagnating parties of Irish politics left to overcome.

I am genuinely excited at the prospect of FF eating itself. I just dont trust the Irish electorate to make it permanent though.

Dyr · 21-01-2011 7:08pm

ballsymchugh wrote: »

what will they be called?

provisional fianna fail?
official fianna fail?
real fianna fail?
continuity fianna fail?
direct action against drugs?

Judean Peoples Fianna Front

unit 1 · 21-01-2011 7:20pm

ballsymchugh wrote: »

what will they be called?

provisional fianna fail?
official fianna fail?
real fianna fail?
continuity fianna fail?
direct action against drugs?

Fiannama

Biggins · 21-01-2011 7:54pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

It's the front page headline in the Herald. Conor Leniham has an article confirming this :eek: Well we all guessed it would happen sometime, the sooner the better and the Gombeen and cute hoor party that has dominated Irish politics for 60/70 years is thrown to the history dump and be a bye word for corruption, cronyism and incompetence. Great day for Ireland, hip, hip, hooray !!! So what's the strategy, FF will be splitting into bad Fianna Fail and good Fianna Fail ? .

And I'm sure their will be a big demand for FF Nua

Been away for three days but my reply would be the same as it would have been had I been near a computer for those missing days.

A LOAD OF COBBLERS!

Just more FF spin is what they are trying to dump on the public.
The underlying ingrained systemic attitudes, ideology ideas based on cronyism and modes of operating are what need changing - not another game of musical chairs with same moving already blood and brain bodies ingrained to the previous ways of doing things!

Mr.Micro · 21-01-2011 8:27pm

There is no such thing as good Fianna Fail no matter how they may try and dress it up, split or change the name. FF have had their party with the economy and the country and now do not want to pay for their bloated excessiveness, it makes me sick. Any fool who thinks that this will make them better is more deluded than FF. Not one of them stood up against all the measures that were introduced over the last few years.....they have had their screw now they do not want to pay.

Liam Byrne · 22-01-2011 2:56am

Anyone leaving FF now is conning the public.

Regardless of whether or not they form a new party, they're still the TDs who voted on crap economic policies, Anglo & NAMA.

Changing the name under their poster doesn't change what they - personally - voted to endorse.