Abolish libel laws

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:08pm #1

Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

BOHtox · 19-01-2011 7:11pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd4efSrSZfY

AckwelFoley · 19-01-2011 7:12pm

Whiteonion raped my sister.

White onion stole money from his workplace and uses it to buy drugs to slip into womens drinks

White onion killed Gerry Ryan.

White onion is in the IRA

These are all true because they were on the front page of the Indo

... i think you see where im going with this

Kiera · 19-01-2011 7:13pm

Are you for real? What if someone started a rumour about one of your parents touching kids or something like that? Do you not think they should be punished? Or is it ok for someones rep to be destroyed just cause YOU think it is?

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:13pm

snyper wrote: »

Whiteonion raped my sister.

White onion stole money from his workplace and uses it to buy drugs to slip into womens drinks

White onion killed Gerry Ryan.

White onion is in the IRA

... i think you see where im going with this

Yeah, you should be allowed to say these things.

Dravokivich · 19-01-2011 7:13pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

libel laws are there to protect people from unfounded crap being written about them unfairly...

...it's not a matter of freedom of speech.

Degag · 19-01-2011 7:14pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

Disagree. What if someone wrongly called you a pedophile? I'm sure you'd like some recourse instead of seeing your face on the front page of every paper and not being able to do anything about it.

Wolfe Tone · 19-01-2011 7:14pm

Its defamation these days, read the 2009 act, fun stuff.

The Waltzing Consumer · 19-01-2011 7:14pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

Okay, bad start to your thread. We don't have libel laws anymore. There is no Libel Act. It was replaced in 2009 by the Defamation Act. The tort of Libel and Slander were thrown in the bin and a new Defamation Tort now exists.

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:15pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

libel laws are there to protect people from unfounded crap being written about them unfairly...

...it's not a matter of freedom of speech.

I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

AckwelFoley · 19-01-2011 7:15pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Yeah, you should be allowed to say these things.

Cool.

But you dont believe that.

tommyhaas · 19-01-2011 7:15pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

Have yo thought your argument through at all?

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:16pm

tommyhaas wrote: »

Have yo thought your argument through at all?

Just the principle behind the freedom of speech and not letting politicians and rich assholes hide behind these kind of laws.

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:16pm

snyper wrote: »

Cool.

But you dont believe that.

Yes I do.

drunkmonkey · 19-01-2011 7:17pm

whiteonion wrote: »

if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

If you liked that you'll love this,
Even if you prove a politician is corrupt they can't be punished as proved last week.

It's a wonderful little Island all were missing is some Bunga Bunga party's.

Kiera · 19-01-2011 7:18pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Yes I do.

You're full of crap!

Degag · 19-01-2011 7:18pm

whiteonion wrote: »

I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

By that remark, i presume you also believe in other people being able to say whatever they want about you, regardless of how true it is?

Dravokivich · 19-01-2011 7:18pm

whiteonion wrote: »

I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

there has to be limitations to freedom. you cant go around saying whatever you want abiut people as that affects there freedom as an individual...

you know that human rights thing... that ties in with your freedom of speech...

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:19pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you liked that you'll love this,
Even if you prove a politician is corrupt they can't be punished as proved last week.

It's a wonderful little Island all were missing is some Bunga Bunga party's.

Bunga Bunga with Brian Cowen and Mary Harney :eek:

The Waltzing Consumer · 19-01-2011 7:19pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Just the principle behind the freedom of speech and not letting politicians and rich assholes hide behind these kind of laws.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Recognise this?

dRNk SAnTA · 19-01-2011 7:20pm

You can say what you want as long as you can prove it.

I agree that in Ireland our defamation laws seem to be too strict, but if we had none then how would anyone know what to believe. There would be so much disinformation.

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:22pm

dRNk SAnTA wrote: »

You can say what you want as long as you can prove it.

I agree that in Ireland our defamation laws seem to be too strict, but if we had none then how would anyone know what to believe. There would be so much disinformation.

There is so much disinformation out there on the Internet. In fact we should ban the Internet!

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:23pm

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Recognise this?

Sounds like some crappy UN Resolution about "human rights".

Kiera · 19-01-2011 7:24pm

whiteonion wrote: »

There is so much disinformation out there on the Internet. In fact we should ban the Internet!

Or ban your trollish account?

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:29pm

Kiera wrote: »

Or ban your trollish account?

Now carefull, we have Defamation laws in this country...

Kiera · 19-01-2011 7:30pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Now carefull, we have Defamation laws in this country...

Ah but its not defamation if its the truth

AckwelFoley · 19-01-2011 7:32pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Yes I do.

Jebus wept

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 7:32pm

Kiera wrote: »

Ah but its not defamation if its the truth

No it isn't. I would never engage in trolling. All these opinions I state on this site are my legitimate opinions about things.

amacachi · 19-01-2011 7:32pm

How are we compared to the UK where people can be bankrupted by claims of libel even with nothing to back it up?

Kiera · 19-01-2011 7:33pm

whiteonion wrote: »

No it isn't. I would never engage in trolling. All these opinions I state on this site are my legitimate opinions about things.

Have you had a knock on the head recently?

BizzyC · 19-01-2011 7:38pm

whiteonion wrote: »

I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

Freedom of speech is there to entitle people to have their opinion and to be able to state and ask questions about any facts they want to.

It does not entitle you to make crap up.

Freedom of speech does not protect you from telling lies.

BizzyC · 19-01-2011 7:40pm

whiteonion wrote: »

There is so much disinformation out there on the Internet. In fact we should ban the Internet!

Ah I see, a troll....
Well played troll, drew me right in....

jack presley · 19-01-2011 7:40pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Just the principle behind the freedom of speech and not letting politicians and rich assholes hide behind these kind of laws.

I don't see the problem. If you have something to say about a politician or a rich asshole, say it. It is only slander if you're full of sh1t and can't back it up.

Copper23 · 19-01-2011 8:38pm

whiteonion wrote: »

Libel laws should be abolished, if you accuse a politician of being corrupt this person can sue you for libel and get you to pay damages.

Libel laws in this country are detrimental for our freedom of speech.
Anyone who supports the current libel laws should be considered to be against the freedom of speech.

What a load of crap.
So you support freedom of speech to the point that ANYONE can say ANYTHING about ANYONE and make ANY ACCUSATIONS they like.

Sorry, but being someone subjected to unfair, unjust and downright untrue criticism and accusations of someone in the past I can not agree.

What you are saying about politicians, this law applies to EVERYONE!

What an idiotic thing to say.

People have freedom of speech, they can say ANYTHING they like if they can back it up. If you can't back it up, you can not say it.
i.e. if you have proof someone is corrupt you are free to say it. If you have no proof stfu!

humanji · 19-01-2011 8:46pm

Ignoring the whole trolling nature of this thread, is there anywhere in the world that actually has freedom of speech?

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 8:48pm

whiteonion wrote: »

I should be allowed to say whatever I like about people. I believe in freedom of speech, obviously others don't...

What about diminishing the reputation of someone knowingly and without foundation.

Kiera · 19-01-2011 8:49pm

humanji wrote: »

Ignoring the whole trolling nature of this thread, is there anywhere in the world that actually has freedom of speech?

My bedroom

humanji · 19-01-2011 8:50pm

Kiera wrote: »

My bedroom

I'm speechless!

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 8:50pm

humanji wrote: »

Ignoring the whole trolling nature of this thread, is there anywhere in the world that actually has freedom of speech?

No. It's only fair that "freedom of speech" allows people the protection from malicious and unfounded rumour mongering

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 8:50pm

Kiera wrote: »

My bedroom

giggidy

Kiera · 19-01-2011 8:52pm

humanji wrote: »

I'm speechless!

You're no use to me then! :mad:

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 8:53pm

jack presley wrote: »

I don't see the problem. If you have something to say about a politician or a rich asshole, say it. It is only slander if you're full of sh1t and can't back it up.

If you are not full of **** and can back it up then there is no problem.

humanji · 19-01-2011 8:54pm

Kiera wrote: »

You're no use to me then! :mad:

I get that a lot.

whiteonion · 19-01-2011 8:56pm

In dictatorships politicians shoot people who say things they don't like, in Ireland the politicians sue them instead.

Ireland is truly a banana republic.

smk89 · 19-01-2011 8:58pm

If we did as you want saying "WhiteOnion makes valid points" could get me sued so no

BizzyC · 19-01-2011 11:10pm

whiteonion wrote: »

In dictatorships politicians shoot people who say things they don't like, in Ireland the politicians sue them instead.

Ireland is truly a banana republic.

In order to get compensation they need to prove 2 things:
1. That the accusation is false.
2. That the person has undergone some sort of hardship, public opinion or otherwise, as a result.

It's actually not a case that you have to back it up, the person suing is the one who has to prove you've made **** up.

So op, you're all for unlawful accusations..
what say i doctored a few photos of you fiddling with kids, post them around your neighbourhood and put your photo in the newspaper as a known offender.
Do you think it's fair that i could do all of this, effectively destroying your life, without there being anything you can do to legally stop me? freedom of speech and all that....

Abolish libel laws

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