Is cowen winning good or bad for the annihilation of FF in the election?

petroltimer

Just wondering about the opinions of the above, I think it is slightly better as it won’t get the FF cores blood up to much to get out in big numbers to vote.

Myself have never voted for them, would give them a tactical vote to make sure an evil SF candidate would not get elected, but for me this is a recession worth taking if FF and be banished to the dustbin of history.

meditraitor

Its like winning the lottery, if the opposition dont make hay during the upcoming election with him as leader of FF then they deserve shooting

Thomas828

It can only be a bad thing for FF as long as Cowen remains leader. But who can they replace him with if they're to have any chance at the next election?

DJCR

Its bad thing for FF at this election, will be fantastic for them in the next.

They will be able to draw a line under this election/government and reemerge as a new invigorated party when Cowen is ousted after the abysmal performance at the coming election whereas if they had a new leader now, they would for ever be linked with FF's worst ever electoral performace.

gent9662

I think Cowen staying on is good for the annihilation of FF. The first question I will be asking a potential FF candidate is why they continue to support the man who was party to the downfall of out once great state.

Going from my own personal feelings, and especially after watching Cowen, Darrargh Calleary on prime time last night it has made my blood boil! I can't wait to do all in my power to vote in FG, Labour and possibly even Sinn Fein ahead of them.

The only thing that has me worried is the fact that many old people will still vote for Cowen and his cronies so I reckon FF will still get about 40 seats based on second third preference votes.

Agent Smith

As a Fg member, when the White smoke emerged last night, I was very happy. FF under a different leader would have a bigger bump in the polls and on polling day, with cowen, it's simplely more of the same.

zig

Yep I agree with the above, this whole debacle has done nothing but damage to the party. What does it say about the party when they are willing to stay loyal, ignore the people , and follow a man with such little support nation wide.
There really has been an "us and them" feeling developing over the past few years, and the past few weeks has only widened that gap.
Im delighted at the result, the only man to come out from this on top is Michael Martin.

That said, was anyone listening to Newstalk today? I was quite depressing listening to local Cowen supporters still giving him the thumbs up, mostly based on the fact that "hes a decent man".

gbee

I go along with the conspiracy theory that it's all a hoax. Micheál & Cowen being all jovial and friendly.

I know you are stabbing me in the back and that's all right as long as I know you know I know ............................................. :eek:

melekalikimaka

i think it was a wise move by ff. they will be able to progress with their policy making as opposed messing up all they have done to rectify the crisis, a fasttracked election would have thrown the dail and plans in turmoil for months

Liam Byrne

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i think it was a wise move by ff. they will be able to progress with their policy making as opposed messing up all they have done to rectify the crisis, a fasttracked election would have thrown the dail and plans in turmoil for months

What have they done to rectify the crisis ?

Even when the IMF arrived to give us some much needed cash (which FF will be passing on to the banks instead of the country) FF denied they were coming, so they obviously didn't even organise that!

I'm just praying that Cowen can't do any more damage over the next 8 weeks or so, because then it'll be a blessing in disguise; if he hadn't stayed, a percentage of the population would appear to be unable to join the dots and probably would have "bounced" FF, not realising that all in the party - including whoever is the new leader - will have voted confidence and voted with the despicable policies that landed us in this mess and then made it worse.

So if we can keep Cowen away from the media and the Dáil, it might be a good thing.

Unfortunately it appears to mean that we'll be paying the idiot even more in his unearned and unjustified pension.

melekalikimaka

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What have they done to rectify the crisis ?

budget?

Liam Byrne

melekalikimaka wrote: »

budget?

Which one ? The time to act was two years ago.

The actions taken to rectify the situation would involve laying blame where it should lie, taking action on that, and then instilling confidence in everyone that they were on top of it. They failed, miserably, with many of us not believing a single word they say at this stage.

And the fact that you added a question mark would seem to imply that you're not totally convinced either.

sligopark

It reminded me of the time when Benedict was pronounced pope. My immediate thought was this is the guy that hid priest raping bastards - must like the two Brians have raped the country - how could a group of right thinking adults make such a decision - then I realised they weren't a group of right thinking adults - much like fianna fail.

melekalikimaka

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Which one ? The time to act was two years ago.

The actions taken to rectify the situation would involve laying blame where it should lie, taking action on that, and then instilling confidence in everyone that they were on top of it. They failed, miserably, with many of us not believing a single word they say at this stage.

And the fact that you added a question mark would seem to imply that you're not totally convinced either.

i am convinced the budget is a positive move, maybe 2 years ago would have been better, maybe 5 years ago, but i'm happier with cowen doing positive work now rather than a pointless exercise in finger pointing ruining what (be it tiny) efforts to get us out of this hole.

whiteonion

petroltimer wrote: »

Just wondering about the opinions of the above, I think it is slightly better as it won’t get the FF cores blood up to much to get out in big numbers to vote.

Myself have never voted for them, would give them a tactical vote to make sure an evil SF candidate would not get elected, but for me this is a recession worth taking if FF and be banished to the dustbin of history.

I think they want to keep him until after the elections. After that he will get kicked out and FF will start all over and blame everything that they did wrong for years on him. They might win the election that comes after this one. Would not surprise me given the track record of the Irish electorate.

Liam Byrne

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i am convinced the budget is a positive move, maybe 2 years ago would have been better, maybe 5 years ago, but i'm happier with cowen doing positive work now rather than a pointless exercise in finger pointing ruining what (be it tiny) efforts to get us out of this hole.

Why is getting to the bottom of who was to blame a "pointless exercise" ? What makes you think it is, and who gives you the authority to suggest that we should all view it by your standards ?

The only way to learn from events is to examine them closely and avoid making the same mistakes again.

Covering up corruption and paying off those responsible to skulk off into the sunset is NOT an acceptable solution.

melekalikimaka

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Covering up corruption and paying off those responsible to skulk off into the sunset is NOT an acceptable solution.

i agree, i feel economic recover is a priority, not satisfying joe duffy listens lust for blood and blame on a figure other than themselves...

inquests are happening, work needs to be done now... not 4 months time


imo

Liam Byrne

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i agree, i feel economic recover is a priority, not satisfying joe duffy listens lust for blood and blame on a figure other than themselves...

inquests are happening, work needs to be done now... not 4 months time


imo

Action needed to be taken 2 years ago to prevent transfer of assets to wives, etc, but that wasn't done.

Anglo's reports needed to be read, but that wasn't done.

Pro-active action re bank bonuses and pensions needed to be done, but that wasn't done.

Action on false and unjustified expenses needed to be done, but that wasn't done.

How come the only "work" that's a priority for FF is the stuff that hammers ordinary people in the pocket ?

Brenireland

I believe this thread should be shut due to the wording used.

"The annihilation of FF in the election",that is rubbish the FF party will not be annihilated FF has true support not blow ins like Fine Gael/Labour/The Greens/Sinn Fein.

Fianna Fail built this country & have carried it through thick and thin,For now I will excuse your wording.

JRant

Congrats Brenireland on being the most delusional person on Boards today. Long live FF and all that ****e!

melekalikimaka

Brenireland wrote: »

Fianna Fail built this country & have carried it through thick and thin,For now I will excuse your wording.

they also allowed it go down the drain, even I'll admit that

Laminations

melekalikimaka wrote: »

they also allowed it go down the drain, even I'll admit that

But you'll still vote for them :rolleyes:

What's worse. Voting for abject failure knowingly makes you a fool. Not recognising obvious failure makes you a fool

raymon

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i am convinced the budget is a positive move, maybe 2 years ago would have been better, maybe 5 years ago, but i'm happier with cowen doing positive work now rather than a pointless exercise in finger pointing ruining what (be it tiny) efforts to get us out of this hole.

What ??? Cowen has ruined the country ? We are bankrupt ?? What positive work ?

This guy should resign , make himself a flask of tea and go cutting turf .

Seeing Cowens big gob giving it loads in the dail today was sickening .

He is a traitor to our country

Brenireland

Laminations wrote: »

But you'll still vote for them :rolleyes:

What's worse. Voting for abject failure knowingly makes you a fool. Not recognising obvious failure makes you a fool

obvious failures such as Fine gael/Labour & Sinn Fein

raymon

Brenireland wrote: »

,For now I will excuse your wording.

What ?? Who are you ??

melekalikimaka

Laminations wrote: »

But you'll still vote for them :rolleyes:

What's worse. Voting for abject failure knowingly makes you a fool. Not recognising obvious failure makes you a fool

it does not make me a fool. voting bases on facts over accusations and ill informed rumours makes you a fool. blaming ff for the countrys problems... its a global recession... they didnt help, but they certainly were not the root of the problem, opposition is a joke, personally i dont know how to vote, nothing viable

Liam Byrne

melekalikimaka wrote: »

it does not make me a fool. voting bases on facts over accusations and ill informed rumours makes you a fool. blaming ff for the countrys problems... its a global recession... they didnt help, but they certainly were not the root of the problem, opposition is a joke, personally i dont know how to vote, nothing viable

Based on accusations and ill-informed rumours ???? How about voting based on :

1) A useless regulator who ignored the banks, having been appointed nepotistically by Ahern "because he was his friend"
2) Policies while Ahern & Cowen were MoF & that fuelled the fire and made the crash impact on us far, far more than other places
3) Ridiculous delays and aversion to imposing legislative conditions to the bailout
4) Refusing to acknowledge responsibility
5) Lying about stuff like "the IMF are coming"
6) Tying up our money in the ridiculous gamble that is NAMA, and bailing out Anglo despite it being of no interest to most
7) Voting confidence in the likes of O'Dea & O'Donoghue & Ahern....and now Cowen

Those 7 alone are fact, not rumours or accusations, and they are plenty reason enough to banish FF for 20 years until they get their act together and start weeding out corruption and nepotism and put the interests of the country first.

If they do that, humbly and apologetically, recognising the hurt that the above 7 alone have caused maybe then they won't be so distasteful somewhere down the line.

"they didn't help" is too much of an understatement to be taken seriously.

Laminations

melekalikimaka wrote: »

it does not make me a fool. voting bases on facts over accusations and ill informed rumours makes you a fool. blaming ff for the countrys problems... its a global recession... they didnt help, but they certainly were not the root of the problem, opposition is a joke, personally i dont know how to vote, nothing viable

Get your head out of your fvcking arse

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0610/1224272194947.html

THE FIRST official reports into the causes of the banking crisis have concluded that home-made factors and not international financial volatility were to blame for the meltdown.

So no FF didn't help

GuanYin

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