Am I suitable to have a dog?

DeVore

I know *nothing* about having a pet. Prior to now I have always lived with people in rented accom but I just got a new house and it has a big big back yard, enough to throw a tennis ball from one end to the other for example.

the house is small enough with two large rooms downstairs and three bedrooms upstairs. I wouldnt have any problem having the dog sleep in the house.
I wouldnt have any issue with spending money on the dog and its kennel etc, if I decide to do it I'll commit the cash to back the decision, but I have some questions about me and the whole set up.

If you can give me some insight, that would be great.

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week.

2. I have no idea about dogs. I very much like the idea of having one but I've no idea what that would really entail.

3. I travel a good bit, often a month at a time... however, my sister who has a family is very keen on the idea of looking after the dog and she has even more space than I do. He would only suffer from over spoiling in her house ... but is it ok to leave a dog for a month in a different, albeit known house?

4. My day can be wildly different from day to day. Most days I would be in the house for the vast majority of the day but there would be other days when I would be out from morning till midnight. I am concerned about how the dog gets fed on those days though I have heard of "free feeding" where the dog simply eats as he wants from a generous supply of food? (this is probably the area I need most expertise on!)

5. I'd like to rescue a pup if I was going to, and I would look for something with character and small enough (I'm perfectly well endowed thank you ). Something like a cocker-spaniel? Any recommendations?? Would have to be placid with kids for the 8 year old nieces...

6. I would prefer a pup so that I am there for him (or her I guess) from an early age. That means training them which isnt something I would be looking forward to... how long does that take generally??


So, am I bonkers?

DeV.

liquoriceall

Hi I can only advise you from my experience with one dog
My toilet training took months but hes a basset and they do have a reputation for difficulty with toilet training
If you are going to be out all day some days is there a pet walking service in your area which you could use? (really eases the guilt)
Is it rented accomadation? What if you move in 2 years?
Would recommend something like a cavalier not a cocker as they are very high drive dogs and need tons of exercise
Would you consider rescue? loads of young dogs out there who are over the puppyhood stage!!
Good luck and I hope you find your new best friend

RubyGirl

Wow it's a tough one:-

If you can give me some insight, that would be great.

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week. - Good one

2. I have no idea about dogs. I very much like the idea of having one but I've no idea what that would really entail. - It's all about research on the dog that will be right for you.

3. I travel a good bit, often a month at a time... however, my sister who has a family is very keen on the idea of looking after the dog and she has even more space than I do. He would only suffer from over spoiling in her house ... but is it ok to leave a dog for a month in a different, albeit known house? - Good to have back up and support, can she help out on your long working days, walks, toilet breaks etc?

4. My day can be wildly different from day to day. Most days I would be in the house for the vast majority of the day but there would be other days when I would be out from morning till midnight. I am concerned about how the dog gets fed on those days though I have heard of "free feeding" where the dog simply eats as he wants from a generous supply of food? (this is probably the area I need most expertise on!) - I think this is where things get tough, I would'nt free feed (especially a pup), it may cause bloat. Could your sister not help here. It's along time to leave any dog on their own, again especially a pup.

5. I'd like to rescue a pup if I was going to, and I would look for something with character and small enough (I'm perfectly well endowed thank you ). Something like a cocker-spaniel? Any recommendations?? Would have to be placid with kids for the 8 year old nieces... Only my opinion but I dont think rescue would be suited to you with your work schedual. Most rescues prefer someone at home for some part of the day, who would take over walking, feeding, socialising a pup when your not home.

6. I would prefer a pup so that I am there for him (or her I guess) from an early age. That means training them which isnt something I would be looking forward to... how long does that take generally??


So, am I bonkers?

It is a tough one Dev, but I'm sure someone else might be able to give you a better insight.

Zapperzy

DeVore wrote: »

I know *nothing* about having a pet. Prior to now I have always lived with people in rented accom but I just got a new house and it has a big big back yard, enough to throw a tennis ball from one end to the other for example.

the house is small enough with two large rooms downstairs and three bedrooms upstairs. I wouldnt have any problem having the dog sleep in the house.
I wouldnt have any issue with spending money on the dog and its kennel etc, if I decide to do it I'll commit the cash to back the decision, but I have some questions about me and the whole set up.

If you can give me some insight, that would be great.

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week.

Thats good, on the days you aren't at home all day would there be anyone nearby that could pop in to check on him and feed him and bring him for a quick walk?

2. I have no idea about dogs. I very much like the idea of having one but I've no idea what that would really entail.

Well with a puppy you have housetraining, that can mean getting up 2 or 3 times during the night to bring him outside to go to the toilet. With a pup you'l probably have to deal with things like nipping your hands/feet/trousers, chewing things around the house, stealing your favorite pair of socks and eating them, barking, whining at night, peeing and pooing inside the house etc. You could be lucky and get a quiet pup that does none of the above but there is the possibility that he/she does all of the above (which would be the norm moreso than not).

3. I travel a good bit, often a month at a time... however, my sister who has a family is very keen on the idea of looking after the dog and she has even more space than I do. He would only suffer from over spoiling in her house ... but is it ok to leave a dog for a month in a different, albeit known house?

It depends on the dog, my own dog I know would be fine with it but others might get too attached to their owners and would be wildly confused as to who their owner is and why do they keep giving him to someone else. I wouldn't reccomend it for a pup definitely, it would be way too confusing. Even for an older dog your sister would need to be well used to him, she would need to be sticking by the same rules as you do (if you allow him up on the couch she will have to, she has to know the exact same commands as you use eg. for recall). If your dog has any behavioural problems would she still be willing to take him (eg. if he turns out to be dog aggressive) and work out his problems in the same way you are. Would she still walk him if he's a big strong dog that pulls on the lead? I think by depending on her you are counting on her a lot. If she lets you down are there any other options? Dog boarding can be expensive (about €15 a day depending on area and size of dog) and unless you find someone who boards dogs in their house it wouldn't really be fair to have him locked in kennels all day for that length of time when he's used to home comforts.

4. My day can be wildly different from day to day. Most days I would be in the house for the vast majority of the day but there would be other days when I would be out from morning till midnight. I am concerned about how the dog gets fed on those days though I have heard of "free feeding" where the dog simply eats as he wants from a generous supply of food? (this is probably the area I need most expertise on!)

Feeding would be the least of your concerns in this situation, there are devices you can put on timer to feed your dog. It wouldn't really be fair to have no contact from morning til midnight, he will become extremely bored and occupy himself by whatever means necessary (barking non-stop the whole length of time, digging his way out under the fence, chewing his way through your door, digging a hole through your couch in hope of digging to china, chewing skirting boards off the walls, eating through the walls, the list is endless). You could look into doggy day care (as funny as it sounds they are a lifesaver in some situations for some people) but I don't know what opening hours would be like, Id imagine they wouldn't be able to hold onto your dog until midnight but even if they could hold onto him until 7 or 8 could someone else (your sister?) pick him up and either hold onto him or drop him home? They say a dog should never be on it's own for more than 4 hours at a time, some would say you could stretch this to 7 or 8 hours depending on the dog and where it will be kept for that length of time. I would agree though that a pup should never be left for more than 4 hours at a time.

5. I'd like to rescue a pup if I was going to, and I would look for something with character and small enough (I'm perfectly well endowed thank you ). Something like a cocker-spaniel? Any recommendations?? Would have to be placid with kids for the 8 year old nieces...

Staffordshire bull terriers are mean to be brilliant with kids. Don't be mistaken to believe that small dogs like terriers need less exersize than bigger dogs, not true in most cases! To be able to reccomend a breed we need to know more, how much exercise are your willing to give each day, do you want something that would be happy with an hour's stroll a day or do you want a jogging companian? I presume you have no experience with training dogs?

6. I would prefer a pup so that I am there for him (or her I guess) from an early age. That means training them which isnt something I would be looking forward to... how long does that take generally??

Depends on the dog and what sort of training your thinking of. Training is really an ongoing process that lasts all their lives. Housetraining can take anything from 2 or 3 weeks to 6 months. You can start from an early age things like sit, recall (calling back when offlead), don't jump up on people, leave it etc. and generally when dogs hit about 6-7 months they hit puberty (like teenagers) and start to 'forget' some of their training and they get selective hearing, so your perfectly well behaved dog that when you said jump he asked how high now begins to ask why and what's in it for me? Your constantly teaching your dog new things, ironing out any flaws and improving on whats already there. When their fully grown you can start to think about things like teaching them agility, flyball or heelwork to music. The possibilitys are endless.
For now you can just research training techniques, look up reward-based training techniques as opposed to punishment based. Training classes are brilliant, even for the socialisation aspect of them, pups need to be socialised with other dogs so that he knows how to react and behave around them, and a good trainer will teach you how to train your dog yourself. Avoid any training camp type things where you send your dog away for 2 weeks to be trained.

So, am I bonkers?
As bonkers as us? Well you will be when you start discussing your dog's poo consistency and colour and other similar topics on here like most people here do!

DeV.

I apologize if all of the above points have already been made but I had to stop and have dinner in the middle of writing it!

Lexie_Karas

Heya DeV,

You're starting of on the right foot anyway, stopping to ask the question 'is a dog right for me?' is a pretty good sign that the person has the right level of interest so it's a good start! The more research and information the better.

My opinion (for what its worth!) is that you could very well offer a good home to a dog if you are willing to do your homework before hand and then put in the work with the dog. The main issues that your circumstances raise are the travel and sometimes long days. The travel is sorted if your sister is able to help... I think most dogs would manage to adjust to staying at another house that is familiar to it, with people it knows well and if this became a regular thing I can't see it being a problem. It is something you could build up on gradually... plenty of daytime visits with and with out you progressing onto over night and then build up to longer before your first big trip away.

There are options there aswell for days that you have to work away from home for long hours... there are some very reputable petsitting/dogwalking companies nowadays, as well as doggie day care centres that can help break up a day and help with feeding/toileting etc. This is something that you can look into now and decide a course of action before getting a dog.

Personally I wouldn't recommend a puppy, but again that's just my opinion. Puppy's require a lot more work and routine is also quite important for them when it comes to house training and feeding etc. You also couldn't leave a puppy alone for as long as you could an older dog. You might also find it easier if this is your first time getting a pet to get one that already has some of the hard work done by someone else, it would be less of a learning curve!!

Rescue is a great way to go whatever dog you're looking to get, they'll be able to match you with a dog that suits. Some may be sticky about you working away from home somedays but really it is worth while to go in and talk to them about it... bring information about what sort of set up you'll have for them while you're away ie- if you're going to have someone come into them or if you're going to drop them off at a dog daycare centre.

I agree with liquriceall about cockers being high energy dogs, as far as I know most spaniels are pretty energetic and need a good amount of excersise and mental stimulation... they are working dogs and don't always seem to have an 'off' switch!!

When you mention training do you mean house training or just general obedience training? It really depends on the individual dog how long it takes, the main thing is to be consistant! Especially with toilet training (which may be difficult with a puppy if you don't have a regular routine). As for general training I'd suggest joining a dog training class with your dog, it's a great way to create a bond between owner and dog and it can really be a lot of fun. As it'll be your first time it'd be good to have someone experienced on hand to help with any issues that may arise.

Anywho, I'm sure there are plenty of much more experienced people here who can give their advice so I'll shush now

Oh one more thing... have you considered fostering at all? It's a great way to figure out if your situation is right for a dog, it helps out the wonderful rescues who are crying out for fosterers, and you get to 'try out' differant dogs to find out exactly what you're looking for and maybe meet the right dog.

(PS: if you do get a dog, can I come and play?)

daenerysstormborn3

DeVore wrote: »

I know *nothing* about having a pet. Prior to now I have always lived with people in rented accom but I just got a new house and it has a big big back yard, enough to throw a tennis ball from one end to the other for example.

the house is small enough with two large rooms downstairs and three bedrooms upstairs. I wouldnt have any problem having the dog sleep in the house.
I wouldnt have any issue with spending money on the dog and its kennel etc, if I decide to do it I'll commit the cash to back the decision, but I have some questions about me and the whole set up.

If you can give me some insight, that would be great.

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week. - That's great but you have to consider what will happen on the days when the dog is alone during the day. Will you keep him indoors? Will you employ a dog walker for during the day or will you be able to return home yourself to entertain him during the day for a short period? Dogs can be very destructive when left alone even for short periods of time, you'd be surprised by how much damage they can do.

2. I have no idea about dogs. I very much like the idea of having one but I've no idea what that would really entail. - Ask yourself why you want a dog. Do you want a companion? A friend? A guard dog? A dog is a lifetime commitment, it's not like once the training is out of the way (which it never really is) that they just look after themselves.

3. I travel a good bit, often a month at a time... however, my sister who has a family is very keen on the idea of looking after the dog and she has even more space than I do. He would only suffer from over spoiling in her house ... but is it ok to leave a dog for a month in a different, albeit known house? - That's great that you already know someone who is willing to look after the dog in your absence, bear in mind that there may come a time when she won't be able to for many different reasons, also, it may not work out, the dog may not like her, she may not like the dog or be able to cope with the dog. If this happens, is there someone else who could look after the dog? Is there a good kennel nearby? Would you be able to afford such a thing?

4. My day can be wildly different from day to day. Most days I would be in the house for the vast majority of the day but there would be other days when I would be out from morning till midnight. I am concerned about how the dog gets fed on those days though I have heard of "free feeding" where the dog simply eats as he wants from a generous supply of food? (this is probably the area I need most expertise on!) - Dogs benefit from a routine. This helps with their training (particularly a feeding routine helps with toilet training if you catch my drift) and also helps with their behaviour and them not thinking that they monopolise your time when you are in the house. On days that you are out from morning till midnight will you have a dog walker or will the dog be left to his/her own devices for the entire time? Bear in mind the dog may become resentful and destructive during such a long time on its own.

5. I'd like to rescue a pup if I was going to, and I would look for something with character and small enough (I'm perfectly well endowed thank you ). Something like a cocker-spaniel? Any recommendations?? Would have to be placid with kids for the 8 year old nieces... - Your best bet here would be to go to a rescue and chat with the people there. Bear in mind that you may not be successful with a rescue because of your schedule, they probably would not look favourably on a dog being left on its own from morning until midnight if indeed that will be the case. Also, any dog can be placid, it doesn't depend on the breed, it depends on the upbringing. If you are getting a rescue dog who you want to be around young children try and get as much background as possible on the dog.

6. I would prefer a pup so that I am there for him (or her I guess) from an early age. That means training them which isnt something I would be looking forward to... how long does that take generally?? - There is no time limit on training, training is an ongoing thing and needs to be kept up throughout a dog's life because if you're not willing to put the time in then they won't bother either. My pup took to his training brilliantly but like a lot of dogs went through his teenage phase and picked up selective hearing, the consistency with his training and his attachment to me helped avoid any behavioural problems during that period. A pup needs to be toilet trained like a little soldier. In my experience, I found if I dropped the ball with the toilet training even once it was a big setback. I got my pup in January 2010 and had to walk home from work, this took 3 hours and set back his toilet training a week as he panicked. Also, when he was a young pup I practically gave up my social life.


So, am I bonkers?

DeV.

My typical day goes like this - bear in mind my dog is fed a raw diet so this takes a bit more time to prepare.

Out at 8am or so to take the dog out, give him a brush, 30 minute walk, play with him for about 30 minutes, he then has a little nap, about an hour and a half later I feed him and he then has another nap, I use this time to tidy up and prepare the rest of his meals for the day, measuring things out etc. We then play a "mental" game for a short while and then lounge around together for a while. My dog is a great dane and just wants to be with me, all dogs in my experience are social creatures and just want to be part of your family, this does not mean "babying" them. We then take another 30 minute walk and about an hour and a half later he gets a large bone to occupy him while I do my own thing. In the evening he goes for another 30 minute walk and has his dinner, at this stage he is usually really tired, he gets tired quickly and has another sleep. We play another "mental" game about an hour before he is put to bed. This is just an outline, obviously there is other stuff that crop up some days like bathing him, going to the beach, going to meet other dogs, socialisation is very important.

You need to consider if you end up with a dog with behavioural problems, and this may happen regardless of whether you get a dog from a breeder or a rescue, if you will be able to put the time into working on these issues or if you will look to have him rehomed. If your dog has health issues will you be able to afford these, will you get insurance or will you put money into a savings account towards expenses for the dog. Is there a vet nearby or would it be a significant distance to travel in the event of an emergency?

I know these are a lot of what ifs and some people may think I am going over the top but these are the things that a lot of people don't consider and end up with a sad dog stuck in the back yard with no human interaction whatsoever.

DeVore

Wow, thats all really incredibly helpful.... you've given me a lot to think about and I'm going to have to sit and give some serious consideration as to whether *I* right for a dog rather then which dog is right for me.

Few quick responses, more for the giggles than anything. Lexie, of course you could come play with him
Zapperzy... PUBERTY!??! WTF? hahah... um. I did not know that. lol... wouldnt put me off but thanks for the heads up hah.
Pixiebean, its no wonder your dog gets tired, wow thats a lot of exercise haha... i'd sleep too if you made me walk that much. Boy, he really sounds like a time sink your dog.

The money aspect isnt a huge problem, I'm single after all , but i'm going to have to think about affording things like "time" and "energy/focus". I absolutely do not want to take on a pet and shortchange them.... I am not the worlds most organised person so keeping to a schedule is a huge task for me sometimes as my life tends to be pretty topsy turvy.

On the plus side I have supportive family near me, on the down side some of them arent big fans of dogs

To answer one question, my desire for a pet is to have a companion. Someone happy to see you when open the door at the end of the day.

Its not going to happen this month or next but maybe this year, i'll see how it goes. Terrific responses and hopefully other people will get as much help from this as I have. Thanks for the time and effort you all put in... anything else, do please post...

DeV.

Hellrazer

DeVore wrote: »

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week.

No problem there then.

2. I have no idea about dogs. I very much like the idea of having one but I've no idea what that would really entail.

Dev--As long as you can look after it and give it the exercise,feeding and are willing to pay sometimes expensive vets bills if it gets sick then you`ll have no problems.

3. I travel a good bit, often a month at a time... however, my sister who has a family is very keen on the idea of looking after the dog and she has even more space than I do. He would only suffer from over spoiling in her house ... but is it ok to leave a dog for a month in a different, albeit known house?

Put it this way.I was in a similar situation a few years back albeit over a health problem and it never hurt the dog to be away for 4-6 weeks at a time.

4. My day can be wildly different from day to day. Most days I would be in the house for the vast majority of the day but there would be other days when I would be out from morning till midnight.

The same thing can happen here.Its no problem to the dog as long as the minute you walk in the door the dog gets the attention it requires ie a walk,a play etc.

I am concerned about how the dog gets fed on those days though I have heard of "free feeding" where the dog simply eats as he wants from a generous supply of food? (this is probably the area I need most expertise on!)

Feed in the morning before you leave,let it out to do its thing and if youre going to keep it in the house,leave it in with lots and lots of playthings.A few extra hours without food is ok as long as youve fed it in the morning and leave a fresh bowl when youre walking out the door.

5. I'd like to rescue a pup if I was going to, and I would look for something with character and small enough (I'm perfectly well endowed thank you ). Something like a cocker-spaniel? Any recommendations?? Would have to be placid with kids for the 8 year old nieces...

Cockers are great with kids..personally Ive never had much luck with any of the terrier group--snappy little fookers--a bit like yourself so

Seriously the only dog that ever bit me for no apparent reason was a Westie and I dont see them on the restricted breeds list

6. I would prefer a pup so that I am there for him (or her I guess) from an early age. That means training them which isnt something I would be looking forward to... how long does that take generally??

You could get a trainer in to train the dog for you or with you.Id recommend this as for a first dog.

So, am I bonkers?

Yep--but all dog owners are in fairness.See my answer to number 2 above and try find the thread about dogs destroying things--Ive had money eaten,a drill, a wall,3 sets of tabkes and chairs,a briefcase etc etc.But yep I wouldnt change a thing--its well worth it especially for this reason

my desire for a pet is to have a companion. Someone happy to see you when open the door at the end of the day.

Hellrazer

Dev,

Read these threads and if you can put up with this then go for it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056069539&highlight=drill


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055359389&highlight=drill&page=1

SuperInfinity

Also do NOT EVER neuter your dog.

If you love your dog you'll do your best to find him/her a mate at some point.

Cherry Blossom

Lots of great advice here! <ETA>^^^ Except this one!

Don't really want to echo what has been said all ready so I have this to add:

There is no need to be in hurry to make a decision on this either way. Lurk on this forum as much as you can and jump in on any points you would like clarification on . Get out as much as you can and talk to as many dog owners as you can, if you have some spare time on a Saturday head off to a dog park and watch how different people interact with their dogs. If you are unsure if you want to rescue or source from a breeder go along to an IKC show and local pet shows are full of rescue dogs and their owners so don't dismiss those. Get yourself a decent book on canine behaviour and psychology written by someone who advocates positive reinforcement training methods. I agree that you wouldn't be seen as an ideal candidate by rescue centres but there are places (like the rehoming thread on this fourm).

You will find that a lot of people once approached will happily talk about their dogs for hours on end so I wouldn't worry about feeling awkward approaching people or anything like that. All of this might seem like a lot of effort, but being responsible for the life of another living creature is a also a lot effort so you might as well put the time into looking in to it.

One last point, there are a few breeds of dog that bond very closely with their owners (e.g. Chihuahua's) that definately wouldn't be in the best situation moving between 2 houses but it doesn't sound like any type of lapdog or toydog would really suit anyway but just to make you aware of it as there are one or two larger breeds that would be of similar mentality.

Best of luck!

Daniel S

I'd say get an easy to train dog as a first dog, ie, don't get a Springer Spanial or a small dog that's known to bark, run after cars and jump around/ chase people. There's too many of these dogs in my neighbourhood, Springers in particular. Something like a Lab, Golden Retriever (I love these dogs) etc, something relaxed. My Golden took about a month to house train and maybe six weeks to get good at travelling in the car, although we probably started her too early. Also don't let a freak wave come near them when there a pup or they won't want to swim, but she's getting over that :rolleyes: Lots of people will recommend going to a shelter and getting a dog, not a bad idead, but I'd say go to a good breeder and get a pure-breed dog (I know I sound like a Nazi.... :rolleyes:).

EDIT: Watch a ton of the Dog Whisperer, he'll give you some advice :P Remember, don't be put off because the breed has a bad name.

xoxyx

It sounds like you're in a far better position to get a dog than many people are seeing as how you work from home so much. The worry would be the occasional day where you have to be away for large periods of time. The ideal in this situation would be a neighbour who could call in and give the dog a bit of attention, even better if they can take it out for a walk. Especially when the dog is a puppy - it wouldn't be great to leave it alone for long. And, it is going to make noise left alone. Would this be an issue with neighbours?

There are loads of people here who have way more expertise, but I can tell you that there's no going back after you get yourself a doggy companion. They are the best in the world and you'll find it hard to imagine how you went without one for so long.

Seeing as how you're giving the matter so much thought already, I'd say you will be a great owner. Go for it I say!!!

The Sweeper

On the face of it, personally, I'd say no puppy for you.

However, if you can find an older dog, say 2-3 years, whose temperament is a fit for your lifestyle, there's no reason you can't have a dog.

Puppies are a lot of hard work. Gus is nearly nine months old now and I can't tell you how relieved I am that his intense puppyhood is over. It's so much work (in my case especially because Gus was animal number 7 and dog number 1, so I had a lot of expectations from owning cats that I had to change etc. etc.) There's the toilet training, the destruction, the insistence - puppies aren't that far off small children, except of course that social services won't come around if you lock your pup in the bathroom overnight. There will be the time when you come home and something nice and new that you picked for your house has been chewed into insensibility and is now strewn across a number of rooms. Or he's eaten the wires on your computer.

Also, given what I know of your personality, when you commit to something you immerse yourself in it body and soul, so it's not that I think you'll give the pup back to the pound - God no. What'll happen, Tom, is in three months time you'll be living in your house with a dog crate in each room, six beds, Nina Ottosen toys, Kongs, four training DVDs, a home appointment with a third behaviouralist, and you'll be writing your own thesis on the techniques of Caesar Milan versus Victoria Stilwell, and you'll be eating, breathing, sleeping and thinking nothing but dog, while your empire crumbles around you from neglect.

Plus, with a puppy, there is an issue with potential inconsistency of training between you and your sister's house.

I think you should be able to find a young adult dog in foster who's a chilled out, happy fella, loves a game of ball and a walk, loves the kids at your sisters but who's also happy to be a couch potato with you at home. That dog IS out there already, somewhere, in foster or rescue in Ireland, as we speak. The problem with a pup is that you have to put the work in to make him into that dog, and puppies all have their own personalities, and there's no guarantee with a pup that he or she will have the personality to become a good fit in your life, and you may end up spending some time trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole.

So I suppose it depends entirely, if you think about it, on how much time you can commit to shaping a puppy before you may have to go away on a trip and so on.

Cherry Blossom

DeVore wrote: »

Wow, thats all really incredibly helpful.... you've given me a lot to think about and I'm going to have to sit and give some serious consideration as to whether *I* right for a dog rather then which dog is right for me.

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Terrific responses and hopefully other people will get as much help from this as I have. Thanks for the time and effort you all put in... anything else, do please post...

DeV.

To be fair, this forum is the best dog resource I have found on the internet, despite the opinion some people elsewhere on Boards have about us

Wolfe Tone

Dev, get a dog. Id recommend a placid one which will be content lazing around the place while you work to a large degree(like a golden retriever, thats what I have, when im on the computer she lies beside me, or on my feet) I wouldn't recommend a cocker spaniel as they are very energetic dogs. I would deffo get a pup from a reputable breeder so you know its history.

The fact that you are actually putting this much thought into it tells me you are good for a dog.


The only thing would be the travel, you probably wont want to leave the dog for a month! I only see mine at the weekends when Im in college, and she spends a lot of the day siting in my empty room when Im gone, they deffo miss you.


And as for training, well that can take a lot of time. House training isnt that hard, but other things like not jumping on the back door, barking all the time etc etc take time. Its not hard, it just takes ages. If you have a smart dog you can teach it a billion things as they get older.

To answer one question, my desire for a pet is to have a companion. Someone happy to see you when open the door at the end of the day.

I know the feeling, mine knows what time I get home at goes and waits by the hall door a half hour before I arrive.

Zapperzy

DeVore wrote: »

Wow, thats all really incredibly helpful.... you've given me a lot to think about and I'm going to have to sit and give some serious consideration as to whether *I* right for a dog rather then which dog is right for me.

Few quick responses, more for the giggles than anything. Lexie, of course you could come play with him
Zapperzy... PUBERTY!??! WTF? hahah... um. I did not know that. lol... wouldnt put me off but thanks for the heads up hah.
Pixiebean, its no wonder your dog gets tired, wow thats a lot of exercise haha... i'd sleep too if you made me walk that much. Boy, he really sounds like a time sink your dog.

The money aspect isnt a huge problem, I'm single after all , but i'm going to have to think about affording things like "time" and "energy/focus". I absolutely do not want to take on a pet and shortchange them.... I am not the worlds most organised person so keeping to a schedule is a huge task for me sometimes as my life tends to be pretty topsy turvy.

On the plus side I have supportive family near me, on the down side some of them arent big fans of dogs

To answer one question, my desire for a pet is to have a companion. Someone happy to see you when open the door at the end of the day.

Its not going to happen this month or next but maybe this year, i'll see how it goes. Terrific responses and hopefully other people will get as much help from this as I have. Thanks for the time and effort you all put in... anything else, do please post...

DeV.

Haha yes puberty, pretty much the same as in teenagers! Both males and females mature around that age, I guess it's the hormones getting to them that makes them have selective hearing and push their boundaries a bit.

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Also do NOT EVER neuter your dog.

If you love your dog you'll do your best to find him/her a mate at some point.

Is this serious? I take it your not a regular here? OP please ignore this comment, there are loads of benefits to neutering for both males and females. Dogs are not humans so don't give them human feelings such as needing to find a mate, sex is purely instinct to reproduce for them.

toadfly

DeVore wrote: »

Zapperzy... PUBERTY!??! WTF? hahah... um. I did not know that. lol... wouldnt put me off but thanks for the heads up hah.

Ha ya I brought my dog to the vet when she was under a year, she has spots on her belly and thats what they were..pimples from puberty!

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Also do NOT EVER neuter your dog.

If you love your dog you'll do your best to find him/her a mate at some point.

Don't ya just love a troll

daenerysstormborn3

DeVore wrote: »

Pixiebean, its no wonder your dog gets tired, wow thats a lot of exercise haha... i'd sleep too if you made me walk that much. Boy, he really sounds like a time sink your dog.

DeV.

He's a great dane and the general rule is 5 minutes of exercise per month old they are (I don't know if this applies to all dogs). This is what I was told by his breeder (who is one of the most well known breeders in the UK, many people have guessed just by looking at him where he's from) and this is what I've heard from a lot of breeders. He is 15 months old, therefore he gets around an hour and a half walk everyday. He is also very very energetic so the playtime and "mental" games take the "boldness" out of him and I've never had a problem with him chewing or being destructive.

I agree with one of the other posters. My dog was like a clock when we lived on our own together. He knew exactly what time I got in the door and would be waiting just inside the door for me when I got home, if I was late he would be peeping out between the blinds looking for me. I used to leave the radio on for him and my theory is that he got used to the different voices at different times (I always left on the same radio station) so knew what voice would be on when I got home

sligopark

DeVore - good man - good start to ask on here too!

What about doing some hands on stuff first?

Perhaps nip over to DSCPA or Dogs trust and take a few dogs for a walk, perhaps chat to the staff explaining your situation and you might be surprised with a dog for adoption or the staff keeping you and your situation in mind for a dog coming into their premises.

http://www.dogstrust.ie/dogs-for-rehoming/

http://www.dspca.ie/cat_animals_need_homes.jsp

some great dogs in there - one waiting for a great owner like you!

All The Very Best!

SuperInfinity

Ah now hold on a second.

I'm not a troll. I didn't "know what the common opinion was around here" on neutering.

I think neutering animals is a bad thing to do to them... that's just my opinion. We never neutered any of our cats or dogs and they did just fine. My dog used to try to "hump" me yes, so what. I would rather that than take away his fertility.

I am totally against neutering them. What's wrong with that? I am entitled to my opinion based on my experiences am I not?

SuperInfinity

TillyGirl wrote: »

Don't ya just love a troll

I'm not a troll. How dare you.

I am against all mutilation of animals. If you want to do that to your pets, that's your perogative. People who have more respect from animals and love their pets aren't just trolling.

Bitch.

Hellrazer

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Ah now hold on a second.

I'm not a troll. I didn't "know what the common opinion was around here" on neutering.

I think neutering animals is a bad thing to do to them... that's just my opinion. We never neutered any of our cats or dogs and they did just fine. My dog used to try to "hump" me yes, so what. I would rather that than take away his fertility.

I am totally against neutering them. What's wrong with that? I am entitled to my opinion based on my experiences am I not?

Well you should have stated that in your first post in this thread.In the context it looked like a troll.And besides the debate for neutering is a whole other thread in itself and should not overtake the issue of the OPs questions in this thread.

Hellrazer

I'm not a troll. How dare you.

I am against all mutilation of animals. If you want to do that to your pets, that's your perogative. People who have more respect from animals and love their pets aren't just trolling.

Bitch.

For that attack on a poster you can have a small holiday from the forum.

SuperInfinity

Okay fine then. I guess I've been hanging around forums with a different sort of people. I thought people would agree with me or at least understand the point.

DeVore

It's not your point that is unacceptible, it's the manner in which you put it.

DeV.

CL32

Just get the damn dog man!

Your set up is about as good as it can get. You said yourself that you wanted a dog for companionship and to me thats the most important thing. Too many people get a dog for the kids, or to put off thieves etc and have no real interest in them. Most dogs are built for one thing only and thats unconditional love for their family, so if you put in the effort with them you get it back ten fold.

I can't wait to get home each day to wrestle mine. Shes asleep (snoring) on the couch beside me after a good run with another bloke who posts here. Content is the hound and content is the master.

Pups are hard work at the start. At some stage you will wonder what you have gotten yourself into, but its always worth it in the end. I was pulling my hair out about a year ago but now I wouldn't change a thing.

This is her when we got her, and apart from weighing about four stone now not much else has changed..

Cherry Blossom

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I am against all mutilation of animals. If you want to do that to your pets, that's your perogative. People who have more respect from animals and love their pets aren't just trolling.

Fair enough to parts of this post I've quoted. There are no shortage of threads on this forum in which to express your views on castrating and spaying as long as you are respectful of other posters they will be respectful of you. The OP here has only started thinking about considering a pet, he doesn't have a dog to neuter as of yet. If and when the time comes to consider it I'm sure he will look at all the pros and cons and make his decision accordingly.

toadfly

Sorry OP that your thread is gone OT because of something I said.

For what it's worth I think a dog as opposed to a puppy would suit you. Best of luck hope it works out.

andreac

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Okay fine then. I guess I've been hanging around forums with a different sort of people. I thought people would agree with me or at least understand the point.

Sorry but the majority of people in this forum are involved with rescues and pounds and see how many dogs are pts every year through irresponsible breeding and then all the unwanted pups dogs that are dumped.

Neutering is not mutilation at all. Sure most farm animals are castrated too, do you think that is mutilation? Horses are gelded, bullocks are castrated. If they werent then the animal world would be a nightmare.

Neutering and spaying is also done for health reasons and cuts down the risks of getting such thing as mammary cancer, pyometra and so on, so its actually beneficial for the animals in the long run.

Glowing

A rescue greyhound could be a suitable choice, they're fantastic pets!

Google it and you'll see so many fantastic reasons for rescuing one

koneko

Few things beat the unconditional love and joy pets bring, when you can provide a good home for one.

They make good iPad stands too.


(my Husky is a lapdog who loves cuddles)

daenerysstormborn3

CL32 wrote: »

Just get the damn dog man!

Your set up is about as good as it can get. You said yourself that you wanted a dog for companionship and to me thats the most important thing. Too many people get a dog for the kids, or to put off thieves etc and have no real interest in them. Most dogs are built for one thing only and thats unconditional love for their family, so if you put in the effort with them you get it back ten fold.

I can't wait to get home each day to wrestle mine. Shes asleep (snoring) on the couch beside me after a good run with another bloke who posts here. Content is the hound and content is the master.

Pups are hard work at the start. At some stage you will wonder what you have gotten yourself into, but its always worth it in the end. I was pulling my hair out about a year ago but now I wouldn't change a thing.

This is her when we got her, and apart from weighing about four stone now not much else has changed..

That's a great pic, any chance you'd post an up to date one in the pics thread? pleeease

CL32

Oh alright then

seamus

DeV, +1 on everything The Sweeper says. Knowing you, this dog will become your life and you'll start finding your trips away becoming shorter or restricted purely to places where the dog can come with you! It'll also start coming into work with you...

I have no doubt that any dog would be well looked after by you, and no-one will do more research or reading about dogs than you will

I too would advise a youngish rescue dog, 1-2 years old, preferably having been out to foster for a little while. This means the dog is young enough to take training and rehoming in its stride without being so young that you have to teach it basic stuff like "pee outside" and "sleep at night".

If you are going for a rescue dog, my only concern would be abandonment issues. These are fairly common in rescue dogs - many end up in the rescue because the owner doesn't give it attention or because it was dumped somewhere. Abandonment issues can of course be worked on and gotten rid of, but if it's a case that you go away for a month at a time, the dog needs to be comfortable with that and you would need to be working on it from day one.
It's also important that the dog knows your sisters family like it knows you too. If the dog considers your sister and her family to be its family, then it will be happy to live with them for a month or more.

This is where the puppy gets a +1; your sister and her family making regular visits to a puppy in the first few months of its life will allow it to bond with them very quickly. But I don't think it's that important to warrant the hassles of a pup.

I know you don't drive (right?); if you want to take a trip up to the DSPCA at any stage, I'll bring you, it's about half a klick from my house.

Toulouse

Hey DeV, long time to see! Not bonkers no There's nothing better than having a dog, fantastic company and unconditional love but they are an awful lot of work and not something to be entered into lightly.

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week. Sounds ideal but what about weekends? Routine is very important for a dog, it makes them feel secure, helps them to know what to expect.

2. I have no idea about dogs. I very much like the idea of having one but I've no idea what that would really entail. You wouldn't believe how much there is to learn when you have a dog but there is loads of help out there. I would suggest that you spend a bit of time on some doggy boards, they are eye openers. Try http://petsireland.invisionzone.com/ http://www.irishdogs.ie/community-forum.html http://www.topdog.ie/ and of course this one! To start off with you should be considering how the dog will fit into your life, you won't be able to come and go as you please anymore, you will now have another life depending on you to make the right decisions in it's best interests. Factor in vet visits, training, exercising, grooming, feeding and then you'll have just the basics covered.

3. I travel a good bit, often a month at a time... however, my sister who has a family is very keen on the idea of looking after the dog and she has even more space than I do. He would only suffer from over spoiling in her house ... but is it ok to leave a dog for a month in a different, albeit known house?No problem there really, just make sure that the dog is treated consistently as if it's allowed to do one thing in your house but not in the other or vice versa then it can be a bit confusing for the dog and frustrating for you if you've spent time training it one way you could come home to all your work undone.

4. My day can be wildly different from day to day. Most days I would be in the house for the vast majority of the day but there would be other days when I would be out from morning till midnight. I am concerned about how the dog gets fed on those days though I have heard of "free feeding" where the dog simply eats as he wants from a generous supply of food? (this is probably the area I need most expertise on!)
This is the part that would really ring alarm bells for me. I don't agree with leaving dogs all day on their own. They are pack animals, they live for company and leaving a dog all day on it's own can leave to behavioural problems and some very annoyed neighbours. You can get around this by having someone call in during the day to walk the dog but really it's something you should strongly think about.

5. I'd like to rescue a pup if I was going to, and I would look for something with character and small enough (I'm perfectly well endowed thank you ). Something like a cocker-spaniel? Any recommendations?? Would have to be placid with kids for the 8 year old nieces... Again this is where you need to do your research. Cockers are a hunting breed, that's what they were bred to do and so they can be fairly high energy dogs. Also some cockers are not great with kids. There are thousands of adorable rescue dogs out there, both purebred and crossbred that would fit the bill just make sure that you get full back up from the rescue. Again, take your time, visit the other boards and have a look at what is out there. Here's just a glimpse http://www.irishanimals.ie/homes.html

6. I would prefer a pup so that I am there for him (or her I guess) from an early age. That means training them which isnt something I would be looking forward to... how long does that take generally?? Training takes as long as it takes, it all depends on the dog, the routine and the amount of effort you put into it. Typically I would expect a dog to be housebroken in a month but young pups cant hold it overnight or for long periods of time and so you will need to be patient and consistent. Training doesn't just stop with housetraining, there's also socialistaion which is epically important if you are to have a well adjusted dog, lead training, obedience training and then training for any other behavioural issues that raise their heads. Dogs love to learn and imo training never really stops, I'm always teaching my girl something new and she constanly evolves.

Someone sbove mentioned a greyhound and it's a good option for you. Greyhounds are known as 40mph couch potatoes! They don't need huge amounts of exercise, couple of short walks a day and they are happy. They are good on the lead and good in the car and excellent with children. They also fold up small and make the most fantastic pets. I know an excellent home-run rescue with full back up and loads of advice for a novice owner. As the dogs have lived in the house they come housetrained so if you are interested in visiting then just let me know. I've brought people there who have been scared or wary when it came to greyhounds and they've left different people.

boomerang

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Also do NOT EVER neuter your dog.

If you love your dog you'll do your best to find him/her a mate at some point.

How I LOLed!

nikobyrne

koneko wrote: »

Few things beat the unconditional love and joy pets bring, when you can provide a good home for one.

They make good iPad stands too.


(my Husky is a lapdog who loves cuddles)

hahaha thats brill, but seriously i think you should get the dog too, you sound like you are sincere and you had enough cop on to ask people for advice first before you went ahead, go for it mate and have fun, p.s really hope you are not house proud though:D

sligopark

Toulouse wrote: »

Someone sbove mentioned a greyhound and it's a good option for you. Greyhounds are known as 40mph couch potatoes! They don't need huge amounts of exercise, couple of short walks a day and they are happy. They are good on the lead and good in the car and excellent with children. They also fold up small and make the most fantastic pets. I know an excellent home-run rescue with full back up and loads of advice for a novice owner. As the dogs have lived in the house they come housetrained so if you are interested in visiting then just let me know. I've brought people there who have been scared or wary when it came to greyhounds and they've left different people.

would this be the same for 'lurchers' Toulouse?

Whispered

I know of a gorgeous little staffie boy who is currently in foster, and will be for the forseeable future. But will be looking for a good home in time. He's 10 months now.:D Couldn't meet a sweeter boy!

seamus wrote: »

I too would advise a youngish rescue dog, 1-2 years old, preferably having been out to foster for a little while. This means the dog is young enough to take training and rehoming in its stride without being so young that you have to teach it basic stuff like "pee outside" and "sleep at night".

If you are going for a rescue dog, my only concern would be abandonment issues. These are fairly common in rescue dogs - many end up in the rescue because the owner doesn't give it attention or because it was dumped somewhere. Abandonment issues can of course be worked on and gotten rid of, but if it's a case that you go away for a month at a time, the dog needs to be comfortable with that and you would need to be working on it from day one.
It's also important that the dog knows your sisters family like it knows you too. If the dog considers your sister and her family to be its family, then it will be happy to live with them for a month or more.

This is where the puppy gets a +1; your sister and her family making regular visits to a puppy in the first few months of its life will allow it to bond with them very quickly. But I don't think it's that important to warrant the hassles of a pup.

I know you don't drive (right?); if you want to take a trip up to the DSPCA at any stage, I'll bring you, it's about half a klick from my house.

sligopark

Any pics?

Toulouse

sligopark wrote: »

would this be the same for 'lurchers' Toulouse?

The majority that I've met, yes, same applies. Although it does depend on how much sighthound is in the mix. I've met a few bull lurchers too and the ones I've met have been very very sweet dogs.

Cherry Blossom

OP - Here's a new thread for you which is currently a work in progress, inspired by some of the posts on this one. Hopefully it help you in the young adult vs puppy aspect of your decision.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056151882

Trojan

Toulouse wrote: »

1. I live alone but I often work from home so the dog wouldn't be on his own all day during the week. Sounds ideal but what about weekends? Routine is very important for a dog, it makes them feel secure, helps them to know what to expect.

Don't want to hijack but interested in this point - how important is routine in the grand scheme? I hate routine but would love a dog at some point, and have similar working arrangements to Tom I think

Discodog

Dogs love routine & it makes life much easier for them - less to worry about. But they are not slaves to it & a bit of adventure can be fun. I loaded a Boxer & a Saluki into a campervan & toured for nearly 6 months & the dogs loved it.

One of the main reasons that we love dogs is because of the way that they have evolved to understand us - we are not so good at understanding them. The key to easy dog ownership is confidence & trust. Once a dog trusts you & becomes confident then they can take pretty much anything in their stride. By making the effort to understand what they are telling you it makes the whole process easier.

The only part of Dev's questions that would concern me is the 12 hour away bit. We all differ here about whether you should leave a dog & how long for. I leave mine for up to 9 hours but they have each other for company. I would not be happy leaving a single dog for a day. Two are so much easier that one.

Vets refer to dogs as companion animals & they need our companionship just as much as we need theirs. I have three dogs in a very small house with an insecure garden. I can get away with this by giving them two good off lead walks every day. This is where the routine bit becomes important. They get their two walks every day rain or shine. Routine also plays a part in that most here will agree that dogs appear to be able to tell the time without a watch. Mine are usually fed at about 4 pm & they will wake up & be looking for food at about 3.50pm !.

Perhaps the most difficult part of the question to answer is the "I have no idea about dogs" bit. Many of us grew up loving dogs & having ones of our own was just a natural progression. I would urge you to spend some time with dogs & also learn a bit about how they communicate. Do you have friends with dogs who would help out ?. For example my neighbours were unsure so I lent them one of mine for a few hours over a couple of weekends. Their kids were nervous of dogs so I showed them how to talk to a dog & how to listen. They now have a dog of their own & it's going really well.

The dog programs featuring Martin Clunes on ITV were some of the best that I have ever seen at explaining why we connect with dogs. I haven't read it but I have heard that the accompanying book is excellent & a fun read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dogs-Life-Martin-Clunes/dp/0340977043

You've been around enough to know that we get pretty passionate about dogs & their welfare. In the past you may have been able to take a detached impartial view & maybe wonder what all the fuss is about. If you get a dog & really bond with it, then life will never be the same again.

DeVore

I've decided its not right, just at the moment, to take in a dog but later in the year or a year or two from now I will, im pretty sure of it. Its gone from "is a dog right for me" to "am I right for a dog" and the answer is "not just yet".

Many thanks for all the feedback folks, I'll come back when I decide to proceed, you can be sure of that hahah...

DeV.

LucyBliss

When it feels right, you'll just know it. Good for you for thinking long and hard about it. And be sure you do come back and tell us when you do get a dog and don't forget the pictures!

NeedaNewName

This was a really nice thread to have read.

Thx people

reeta

mtb_kng wrote: »

I'd say get an easy to train dog as a first dog, ie, don't get a Springer Spanial or a small dog that's known to bark, run after cars and jump around/ chase people. There's too many of these dogs in my neighbourhood, Springers in particular. Something like a Lab, Golden Retriever (I love these dogs) etc, something relaxed. My Golden took about a month to house train and maybe six weeks to get good at travelling in the car, although we probably started her too early. Also don't let a freak wave come near them when there a pup or they won't want to swim, but she's getting over that :rolleyes: Lots of people will recommend going to a shelter and getting a dog, not a bad idead, but I'd say go to a good breeder and get a pure-breed dog (I know I sound like a Nazi.... :rolleyes:).

EDIT: Watch a ton of the Dog Whisperer, he'll give you some advice :P Remember, don't be put off because the breed has a bad name.

Springer Spaniels are NOT known to bark,they are fantastic with kids, so please get your facts right !!!!

reeta

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Also do NOT EVER neuter your dog.

If you love your dog you'll do your best to find him/her a mate at some point.

I am shocked at this reply, it must be the most irresponsible I have seen on Boards.ie ..... if you love your dog you will get him/her spayed/neutured rather than go through birth and having to give her pups away... Any vet will agree and feel they very strongly about getting them spayed/neutered. It is so irresponsible to let them mate with any dog and then have pups, it is so unfair on the dog !!!

reeta

boomerang wrote: »

How I LOLed!

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Also do NOT EVER neuter your dog.

If you love your dog you'll do your best to find him/her a mate at some point.

I cant believe someone would say this !! how ignorant and irresponsible are you ???