how long would a primarily left government last in ireland?

ArtSmart

supposing , supposing. as things stand a LAB. SF/ IND (+ prob Green) coalition is not impossible

how long would it last?

pigeonbutler

ArtSmart wrote: »

supposing , supposing. as things stand a LAB. SF/ IND (+ prob Green) coalition is not impossible

how long would it last?

About 6 weeks because they'd refuse to make the cuts demanded under the IMF/EU assistance package and so would lose all access to funds on the international markets. Pretty soon public servants pay cheques would bounce.

Wolfe Tone

ArtSmart wrote: »

supposing , supposing. as things stand a LAB. SF/ IND (+ prob Green) coalition is not impossible

how long would it last?

10 million years.


How are we supposed to answer that?

Anytime up to seven years.

ArtSmart

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

How are we supposed to answer that?
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with a hint of rational thought.

FreudianSlippers

Not long really. I think people like the idea of leftist policies, but they aren't really viable in reality.

sligopark

hopefully not long - we'd have abortion and euthanasia on demand, work avoiders given an increase on their dole, none of the managers in the HSE given the shove, quangos increased and then the IMF walk in to finish us off as an Irish nation

OhNoYouDidn't

sligopark wrote: »

hopefully not long - we'd have abortion and euthanasia on demand, work avoiders given an increase on their dole, none of the managers in the HSE given the shove, quangos increased and then the IMF walk in to finish us off as an Irish nation

Abortion and euthanasia now, is it? :rolleyes:

Other than those two canards, everything you listed has been brought to us by FF.

I think the only core difference will be that a left leaning government will put the people first rather than the international financial markets. There is no reason they couldn't go two or three terms, especially if they attempt to fundamentally reform the Republic

OhNoYouDidn't

OisinT wrote: »

Not long really. I think people like the idea of leftist policies, but they aren't really viable in reality.

Unlike of course the centre right who have done a sterling job lately....

sligopark

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Abortion and euthanasia now, is it? :rolleyes:

Other than those two canards, everything you listed has been brought to us by FF.

sorry you are right and given ff's european allegiances they would have brought it in too - FG have similar allegiances despite what they wil say on the doorsteps

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I think the only core difference will be that a left leaning government will put the people first rather than the international financial markets.

except of course when it would come to voting off our sovereignty via the likes of the Lisbon Treaty

it seemed as if Labour couldn't get us to do so quick enough

johnnyskeleton

How long will any government last, to be honest?

As regards the poster who says that they would refuse to make the cuts, this is patently untrue. Labour's budgetary proposals were for more cuts to the current budget than FF actually made. Labour have refused to comment on whether they will stick to the croke park agreement or not - if they really were looking for the popular vote they would give this guarantee.

Besides, since the two centre right parties FF and FG supported the policies which lead to the collapse of our economy and our inability to borrow money on the open market, it is somewhat rich to seek to use these fiscal restraints against the party who would have avoided that situation arising in the first place by not bailing out the banks.

I think the left have fairly good policies and this thread is proof of that. Why, I hear you ask? Because when given an opportunity to say what is wrong with Labour/SF/United Left Alliance, all their detractors can do is point to straw man arguments about unsustainable public spending without looking at what is actually proposed.

A culling of the quangos is an essential policy of most left wing parties but not of FF/FG. This is because FF have appointed their cronies to these positions, FG are dying to do just the same (they would lose support if they didn't) but the left aren't beholden to these groups. Sure, the left are more interested in not cutting frontline staff's wages, but that isn't really a bad thing if they cut out the huge bureacracy and actually run the things efficiently rather than the layers of buck-passing that FF have put in place and FG would keep in place.

The left are also targeted for proposals to increase taxes. But the reality is that taxes have to go up, such is the nature of our budgetary problems.

There is no party that will solve all problems, but one of the main problems is that there is a lack of honesty in government. I'm not saying that our current crop of left wing parties are completely honest, but they are much more honest than FF/FG.

OhNoYouDidn't

sligopark wrote: »

sorry you are right and given ff's european allegiances they would have brought it in too - FG have similar allegiances despite what they wil say on the doorsteps

But they haven't. No political party in Ireland supports euthanasia. Spare us the red scare nonsense.

sligopark wrote: »

except of course when it would come to voting off our sovereignty via the likes of the Lisbon Treaty

it seemed as if Labour couldn't get us to do so quick enough

The three main political parties are all pro Europe. Why are you using this as a stick to pick on the left only?

sligopark

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But they haven't. No political party in Ireland supports euthanasia.

Not within Ireland they don't - I invite you to check out their european allegiances - Ivana Bacik at least has the balls to speak her mind.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The three main political parties are all pro Europe. Why are you using this as a stick to pick on the left only?

Good man - I am pointing out that you have just stated - they are all the same and advised us all sell out our sovereignty via Lisbon and desperately via Lisbon 2.

Pro Europe btw not so much a common ground for common good but via Lisbon a federal superstate to superimpose uninvited liberalism onto the Irish electorate ...

johnnyskeleton

sligopark wrote: »

Pro Europe btw not so much a common ground for common good but via Lisbon a federal superstate to superimpose uninvited liberalism onto the Irish electorate ...

So your main criticism of the Irish left is that they support a swing to the right in europe? Obviously they are not left enough for you.

ArtSmart

OisinT wrote: »

Not long really. I think people like the idea of leftist policies, but they aren't really viable in reality.

to illustrate your point can you name 3 non-viable policies?

sligopark

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

So your main criticism of the Irish left is that they support a swing to the right in europe? Obviously they are not left enough for you.

And right wing supports giving away sovereignty? Missed that myself.


My criticism was that Labour are self serving monkeys much like ff and would help con us into selling off our sovereignty much like FF and FG did, unfortunately, and would try and blame the EU for enforcing policies on the Irish electorate (that they only wish they could) instead of standing up for the ordinary Irish citizen.

ArtSmart

sligopark wrote: »

My criticism was that Labour are self serving monkeys much like ff and would help con us into selling off our sovereignty much like FF and FG did, unfortunately, and would try and blame the EU for enforcing policies on the Irish electorate (that they only wish they could) instead of standing up for the ordinary Irish citizen.

em, i have to ask sligopark - and i normally wouldnt - who then will you be supporting??? SF?

Min

sligopark wrote: »

Not within Ireland they don't - I invite you to check out their european allegiances - Ivana Bacik at least has the balls to speak her mind.




Good man - I am pointing out that you have just stated - they are all the same and advised us all sell out our sovereignty via Lisbon and desperately via Lisbon 2.

Pro Europe btw not so much a common ground for common good but via Lisbon a federal superstate to superimpose uninvited liberalism onto the Irish electorate ...

Just want to say...I can't stand Ivana Bacik. That's all.

sligopark

ArtSmart wrote: »

em, i have to ask sligopark - and i normally wouldnt - who then will you be supporting??? SF?

unfortunately like most of the Irish electorate it will be like looking into a yard full of dogs all waiting to bite and a matter of choosing the one that will do the least damage

Sinn Fein are a party of two halves;

two sides on top - university educated marxists with little or no life experience - favoured by and sponsored financially by Sinn Fein,

the other side which are either Northern army members (few now since they didn't fight for almost 40 yrs for equal rights up there) or Southerners community based (and the likes of which Arthur Morgan has been pushed aside by Gerry 'I buried someone near here' Adams) there is no meeting of these in the middle.

Sinn Fein up North have been a joke - anyone seen that idiot Ruane destroy the educational system? Anyone remember that idiot Mary Lou?

And other than Caomhin O'C and Pearse Doherty Sinn Fein have nothing down South to offer the electorate.

Its a pity Pearse Doherty is Sinn Fein - lots of protestants in South Donegal refused to vote for him (even though he was their top choice) on the basis he was sinn fein.

Bottle_of_Smoke

SF & Labour would become more centrist if in power. I think they'd have a better chance at lasting the 5 years than a FG/Labour coalition to be perfectly honest. The next 5 years is gonna be the hardest term in decades

sligopark

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

SF ..... would become more centrist if in power.

Bar agreeing to deliver british governance in the North they haven't so far Ruane has made a botch of education, and none of them had anything to say regarding hunting or coursing, good or bad.

All talk nothing in action - proven idiots in power are SF.

Once their army council got paid off - they became see through. They conned their soldiers and have deluded their catholic base who have nothing in common with their socialist marxist core tenants.


And you want them down South for what exactly?

Can I remind everybody, we strive to have an air of civility on this forum.

Bottle_of_Smoke

sligopark wrote: »

Bar agreeing to deliver british governance in the North they haven't so far Ruane has made a botch of education, and none of them had anything to say regarding hunting or coursing, good or bad.

All talk nothing in action - proven idiots in power are SF.

Once their army council got paid off - they became see through. They conned their soldiers and have deluded their catholic base who have nothing in common with their socialist marxist core tenants.


And you want them down South for what exactly?

Stormont's a psuedo-parliament and the north isn't governed as a real country. Westminister decides their budget so its not comparable.

Your post seems like you're just attacking SF. Save your bitterness I'm not a fan of them.

Permabear

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djpbarry

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Unlike of course the centre right who have done a sterling job lately....

Taking into consideration the massive increases in public spending, welfare, minimum wage, etc. and the erosion of taxation implemented by the current government, I'm simply amazed that they could be deemed in any way right-wing (depending on where one puts the centre, of course).

ArtSmart

how does one 'bump' a thread?