Patrick Mullins "jockey"

thatsmyboy · 13-01-2011 11:27pm #1

Hi All
Just wondering what are yer thoughts on young patrick mullins son of willie, I have been looking at some of his rides tonight on the net over the past 6 months and watched another ride on one of daddy willies horses today and was just wondering if you owned a horse would you be happy with him to ride it....
I wont give my opinion yet as i dont want to influence anyone

x PyRo · 13-01-2011 11:42pm

Thread moved from Gambling forum.

Probably better suited here mate.

Wouldn't know much about him myself as I mainly punt on UK racing so don't see too much of the Irish scene. All I know is, on the couple of occasions I've backed his rides, he never won. :pac:

thatsmyboy · 13-01-2011 11:57pm

Cheers thanks x

Sprouts · 14-01-2011 12:11am

He's shocking, he didn't need to ride Lios a Choill into the last like that when well clear today. He only has one tactic in a race, sit still until 2 and a half out and then throw the kitchen sink at the horse in an agricultural version of Pat Eddery's style of finishing drive. He's only on those horses because of Willie, but Willie and Tony were equally as bad for the late Paddy so some things never change.

mdwexford · 14-01-2011 1:48am

Bet your opinion is you think hes terrible.

I can read souls.

Healio · 14-01-2011 1:54am

thatsmyboy wrote:

I wont give my opinion yet as i dont want to influence anyone

Are you prepared to go through why he's a bad jockey? Or is your pocket going to do all the talking?

thatsmyboy · 14-01-2011 3:48am

Healio wrote: »

Are you prepared to go through why he's a bad jockey? Or is your pocket going to do all the talking?

I could do with you tomorrow mate i may back a few winners as you seem to be able to read the future,how do you know i am not going to say i admire the lad as a jockey.
Im betting too long now to talk from my pocket lad thats pointless, i only bet what i can loose.
I did not comment at the start as i wanted to see other peoples opinions.
I hope this clears it up for ya... happy punting

johnny_cash · 14-01-2011 5:22am

Thank god i hadn't got Lios a Choill backed what was he doing riding him into the last when clear shocking stuff.

minty16 · 14-01-2011 10:05am

My pocket wouldn't be doing the talking as I wouldn't bet a lot on Irish bumpers. However, I follow them with keen interest. I for one would not be happy with Patrick riding a horse for me. I've nothing against the lad, he simply isnt good enough. I'm a man who believes a horse wins the race, and the jockey can only have a big influence in a small percentage of races (5-10 percent) or exceptional circumstances . I've seen Mullins lose on numerous horses that 'should' have got up. He seems to be a really poor judge of the pace of a race, and for a lad who I believe is well over 6ft, he is also very weak in a finish. I would avoid backing a horse if he was on board, and that's saying something.

Johner · 14-01-2011 11:43am

johnny_cash wrote: »

Thank god i hadn't got Lios a Choill backed what was he doing riding him into the last when clear shocking stuff.

Sprouts wrote: »

He's shocking, he didn't need to ride Lios a Choill into the last like that when well clear today. He only has one tactic in a race, sit still until 2 and a half out and then throw the kitchen sink at the horse in an agricultural version of Pat Eddery's style of finishing drive. He's only on those horses because of Willie, but Willie and Tony were equally as bad for the late Paddy so some things never change.

The horse missed the second last and nearly fell and then ran around coming to the last, I don't rate him as a jockey but I don't think there was much he could have done about that.

UrbanSea · 14-01-2011 12:03pm

I missed the race just saw that he fell at the last. Was it really totally his fault that the horse fell? I wouldn't consider him a very good jockey,but there are worse. Wonder when he'll stop,surely he has problems with his height and weight.

Sprouts · 14-01-2011 12:17pm

Johner wrote: »

The horse missed the second last and nearly fell and then ran around coming to the last, I don't rate him as a jockey but I don't think there was much he could have done about that.

He made a mistake at the 2nd last, any sensible rider would have let him just fiddle the last instead of what he ended up doing.

UrbanSea · 14-01-2011 12:25pm

I just watched the race. I think he kept pushing at Lios A Choil going to the last cos when he jumped the second last the other horse was right on him,Patrick didn't look behind and he didn't realise he had the gap he had I'd say.

minty16 · 14-01-2011 12:31pm

In fairness to Patrick Mullins, the Lis A Choill ride would not even be in his top 20 worst ones. I've seen A LOT more horses fall after trying to 'fiddle' the last than horses that were put into it.

johnny_cash · 14-01-2011 1:15pm

Johner wrote: »

The horse missed the second last and nearly fell and then ran around coming to the last, I don't rate him as a jockey but I don't think there was much he could have done about that.

That's my point the horse made a mistake at the second last any sensible jockey would of just let him pop over the last but paddy was looking for a big jump when he was already clear of course everybody will have a different opinion but i taught he was at fault.

fr wishy washy · 14-01-2011 1:27pm

It's not clear cut either way regarding popping or pushing at the last,,look at Davy Russell in the opener on the card-25l clear at the last and allows the horse pop it and comes down.The other racing forums calling for Russell's head for not making the horse's mind up for it.

Having said that Patrick Mullins could have taken it a bit easier on the horse between the last 2 flights and I think he's going through a rough patch in the last few weeks combined with his da's bumper horses don't seem to be a vintage bunch so far this season.He's still only a young chap.

premierstone · 14-01-2011 1:49pm

You beat me too it wishy, Russell choose the other way to ride a horse cruising in front and they both ended up on the deck, why is there not a thread on here questioning he's jockey credentials?? I had both backed so am well pis*ed off but wouldnt blame either jockey tbh, Lios na Choill actually made a mistake at the second last and then veered across the track between the last two, he was dead right to get to work on him and try and get him back to business as the horse was getting lazy and idle in front.

minty16 · 14-01-2011 2:13pm

Which was exactly my point (two previous posters). I disagree totally with anybody who calls him into question based on the Lis A Choill ride. Despite this however, it can't have gone unnoticed the amount of poor rides he has put in in the last 2 seasons. There is no question on the planet that he's only getting the rides because he is Willy's son. There are many really good amateurs out there who would make sure the horse done the business on a more regular basis. That's a fact. I can't see Patrick in this game a lot longer. But honestly, best of luck to him.

mountai · 14-01-2011 8:52pm

Rather than asking about young Mullins ability, I would be asking "Why was Townend not riding the horse??" In fact I asked myself that question before the races even began.I dont think Russell will look at the replay of the first race too many times !!!. Thats Racing.!!!

fr wishy washy · 15-01-2011 3:47pm

mountai wrote: »

Why was Townend not riding the horse??" In fact I asked myself that question before the races even began..!!!

That owner puts Patrick up a lot on his bumper horses and sometimes leaves him on them when they go hurdling.

klairondavis · 17-01-2011 6:44pm

fr wishy washy wrote: »

That owner puts Patrick up a lot on his bumper horses and sometimes leaves him on them when they go hurdling.

I'd say there would be a fairly frosty atmosphere around the dinner table if he was jocked off a horse his mother owns!

thatsmyboy · 17-01-2011 7:03pm

klairondavis wrote: »

I'd say there would be a fairly frosty atmosphere around the dinner table if he was jocked off a horse his mother owns!

Are u sure she actually owns that horse!!!!! I could not possibly comment:):)

ft9 · 18-01-2011 9:42pm

Judging by your username and comments, it seems you are implying that you are Patrick Mullins mother.

thatsmyboy · 20-01-2011 4:22pm

ft9 wrote: »

Judging by your username and comments, it seems you are implying that you are Patrick Mullins mother.

ha ha very good.
No im not if i was his dad or mom i would be looking for another job for him soon asw he will not be having a career in the saddle anyways, id say this is his last season to be honest and not taking the piss or anything, he has weight issues and height issues and he will only get rides for willie and they will dry up to be honest and not to put it to blunt "he is a poor enough jock to call a spade a spade"

kickerboots · 22-02-2011 10:27pm

how rude to put '' before jpckey, he may not be a pro but **** it im no jockey! but for a fact i cudnt manage a horse in any sense like he does, o.k to be fair he has mighty ammunntion behind him... Robbie Mac is top too but weight is a massive factor... best of luck to the kid, he seems really nice and fair... R W the stable jockey should take lessons in that sense offf him!!!

Morgans · 22-02-2011 11:15pm

Steady on. There are hundreds of better jockeys riding over the last decade who would never get the leg up on horses of the caliber of Cousin Vinny. Jockeys who get to ride favourites in Grade 1s ideally should get that privilege through their hard work and skill, not because of who they are related to.

I think that he (Mullins and others) get lots of undue criticism, usually by punters talking through their pockets, when often they havent done anything wrong, but I HATE, HATE the "i'd like to see you control a thoroughbred" defence of them.

His jockeyship isnt being compared to a punter typing his thoughts on the internet, he is being compared to the hundred other jockeys who are unlucky enough not to get the opportunities that PW Mullins/JP Magnier/S Waley-Cohen are getting.

Patrick Mullins "jockey"

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