Gucci Manes new tattoo

Shapey Fiend

Legend.

Jimmy Iovine

He was told to spend time in a mental facility by a judge, wasn't he? Seems like a strange chap. Getting himself a bit of publicity though. Not a fan of his music at all

Boom_Bap

i guess we are talking about the ice cream with the lightning bolts? Or the 2 year old handwriting scrawl on his forehead? Or whatever else that crap all over his mush is?

mufcboy1999

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

He was told to spend time in a mental facility by a judge, wasn't he? Seems like a strange chap. Getting himself a bit of publicity though. Not a fan of his music at all

+2 ,his music is awful like most southern rubbish.

Jimmy Iovine

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

+2 ,his music is awful like most southern rubbish.

There's the same amount of rubbish coming out of there as there is from the East and the West. It's also contributed some of the best rappers and music in general.

DJ Screw came from there. Invented and perfected the chopped 'n' screwed style of mixing. A little-known producer called DJ Premier also came from Houston.

Outkast, UGK are two of the greatest groups of all-time and also from the South.

Scarface, Z Ro, Devin The Dude, Chamillionaire, Ludacris, CunninLynguists, T.I. and so on.

The South has revolutionised the mixtape game. People like Chamillionaire and Paul Wall have managed to sell hundreds of thousands of mixtapes on their own and then signed major deals on the back of that success.

I wouldn't write the South off on the back of Gucci Mane even if he's a nutjob

mufcboy1999

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

There's the same amount of rubbish coming out of there as there is from the East and the West. It's also contributed some of the best rappers and music in general.

DJ Screw came from there. Invented and perfected the chopped 'n' screwed style of mixing. A little-known producer called DJ Premier also came from Houston.

Outkast, UGK are two of the greatest groups of all-time and also from the South.

Scarface, Z Ro, Devin The Dude, Chamillionaire, Ludacris, CunninLynguists, T.I. and so on.

The South has revolutionised the mixtape game. People like Chamillionaire and Paul Wall have managed to sell hundreds of thousands of mixtapes on their own and then signed major deals on the back of that success.

I wouldn't write the South off on the back of Gucci Mane even if he's a nutjob

thanks for stating the obvious exceptions.

i said most of the south, im not into all that clicking your fingers and dancing sh*t that started there a few years back it seemed like any mainstream hit from there had a dance to go with it.

I think the the south had a huge impact on killing mainstream rap and turned it into what it is today, the rappers you named above are the obvious exception about 10 per cent of the southern marketplace what about the likes of young joc, nelly singing constantly, Flo rida, lil jon, soulja boy,pitbull etc there's loads of them, there were a lot 1 hit wonders too. and then ofourse the likes of gucci,young jeezy etc who cant rap to save there lives.

i think it started in the south.

Shapey Fiend

He got out of the mental facility for the day, got this done. He's probably facing 17 months of prison any day now so it may just be a stunt to delay it.

Whatever about how he acts in interviews and stuff In my opinion he's a musical genius, and a work a holic. He did 180 guest verses in 2009. That's the kind of workload that only someone like Lil Wayne has approached (again, somewhat of a misunderstood genius IMO).

What's he bringing that's interesting? Adlibs. Picked up where Dipset left off. What he lacks in lyrical content he compensates for in composition. Nobody does adlibs as well. Layers loads of vocal lines in a very skillful way. Tone and cadence are always pitch perfect. Because he's so prolific he ends doing a certain amount of pop ****e that gets the most attention but he also kills on the more underground tracks.

Before you write him off completely listen to these two. First one is track of 2010 for me, and he spent most of the year in jail.

http://shapeyfiend.tumblr.com/post/2496427697/new-remix-from-jon-wayne-been-rewinding-this-for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rhDC0yGZJE

LukeS_

Looks like Cornetto got a good advertiser!

PrettyBoy

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

First one is track of 2010 for me, and he spent most of the year in jail.

Sorry mate but that first track is pure garbage, the beat sounds like something off a fisher price piano and the lyrics are ridiculously bad "My chain is off the chain". Only in America will this guy appeal to anyone and it looks like he was nothing more than a flavor of the month.

Jimmy Iovine

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I think the the south had a huge impact on killing mainstream rap and turned it into what it is today, the rappers you named above are the obvious exception about 10 per cent of the southern marketplace what about the likes of young joc, nelly singing constantly, Flo rida, lil jon, soulja boy,pitbull etc there's loads of them, there were a lot 1 hit wonders too. and then ofourse the likes of gucci,young jeezy etc who cant rap to save there lives.

i think it started in the south.

I'd disagree with that. The problem I think is that the South is too saturated with rappers. I read that 84,000 albums (including mixtapes) have been released in Houston alone since 1989. That's around 80 or so a week. Of them only an album every two weeks is probably going to be of any quality at all. People get lucky on one track and then a label signs them up and they spew nonsense out for a few years until the contract runs out. they don't care as long as they are getting their money.

Most southern rappers lost their underground fanbase the minute they sign for a major because they know what'll eventually result is ****e music. It happens in every genre of hip hop. Have you heard Snoop's new track "Wet". It's an embarrassment compared to his Doggystyle hey-day. Mobb Deep have fallen way off since The Infamous. 50 Cent when he first came out was huge then he smelt the green and now he's more interested in making 8 million off a few tweets than making proper music (that sounds silly cos I'd kill for a few million but he's a rapper so he should be ****ing rapping).

Have you listened to any mixtapes from the south? They are generally better than the albums. Take Chamillionaire for example. He put out a three disc, 60+ track mixtape, "Mixtape Messiah 1", targeted at Mike Jones (or Dyke Jones as he called him). This effectively destroyed the career of Jones, who had been tipped to be the breakout star from the South and hasn't been heard of since. Then take Lil Wayne and his "Da Drought 3". That's a quality mixtape. Even 50's mixtape before he blew up. Can't remember the name now but it's another quality mixtape.

I forgot to say this but I think Souljaboy and Drake are the biggest culprits for killing it off. Neither have any substance and are the reason that 14 year old girls are wanting bubble gum rap and that other people are writing rap off as being for uneducated gob****es

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

Whatever about how he acts in interviews and stuff In my opinion he's a musical genius, and a work a holic. He did 180 guest verses in 2009. That's the kind of workload that only someone like Lil Wayne has approached (again, somewhat of a misunderstood genius IMO).

What's he bringing that's interesting? Adlibs. Picked up where Dipset left off. What he lacks in lyrical content he compensates for in composition. Nobody does adlibs as well. Layers loads of vocal lines in a very skillful way. Tone and cadence are always pitch perfect. Because he's so prolific he ends doing a certain amount of pop ****e that gets the most attention but he also kills on the more underground tracks.

Before you write him off completely listen to these two. First one is track of 2010 for me, and he spent most of the year in jail.

180 verses in a year does nothing for me to be honest. I value quality over quantity every day of the week. I'd respect someone who put out only 10 guest verses in the year that were all track-stealers in their own right over someone that would appear to hop on any track that he's asked to do.

I watched Lil Wayne's documentary and he went down severely in my opinion on the back of it. Thought the way he treated the reporter from Germany or wherever was cuntish. Again I prefer someone who puts thought into what they write and record. Wayne was interested only in dropping 16 bars and then forgetting them and moving onto his next song. This works fine when you are Mozart writing a symphony in one go or Jigga recording Blueprint in a few days. What Weezy isn't doing is writing good lyrics and mumbles half his songs anyway.

I haven't heard enough of Gucci to form a whole opinion but what I have heard I don't particularly like. I'll listen out for a few more songs but can't see him up to much if he's going behind for another year or so. What's it with rappers and getting retarded sentences for no reason.

Jimmy Iovine

and what's with his saying "burr". has to be the most unthreatening and least gangster-ish I've ever heard

scientific1982

Gucci mane is ****e. That yelawolf dude isnt bad though.

Shapey Fiend

@PrettyBoy it's a Casio actually. I really enjoyed that but Jon Waynes productions maybe a bit of an acquired taste.

I still maintain there's something to appreciate about most rappers. People are too quick to lump people into categories and say they're stupid/simple. I admit I really dislike Aesop Rock but it's just a taste thing. I'm not into rappers that cram as many syllables into a bar as possible. Other people go crazy for that stuff.

Here's a highly nerdy article I read recently about Wayne that I think explains him well.

Lil’ Wayne is pretty polarizing as an artist and the claim that he’s simple is one thrown around a lot. It’s an interesting claim and true depending on how you evaluate complexity. As far as rhyming goes, Weezy fits into a weird category in that he’s above the Jay/Nas/BIG group with his rhyme density score of 0.34 but still below heavyhitters like Fab and Em. He averages 1.24-1.27 syllables per word which is pretty average and does nothing to support the ‘simple’ argument.

The statistic that Lil’ Wayne is really low in is Novel Word Proportion (mentioned earlier in the article but the calculation was tweaked a little bit). Novel Word Proportion is simply:

Average percentage of words in the second line in a pair not appearing in the first

Lil’ Wayne’s scores of 0.87 and 0.88 on Carter II and Carter III were THE LOWEST in our database of about 50 albums (Ghostface tested the highest with values of 0.94 and 0.95 across Ironman and Supreme Clientele). The consistency of both artists was quite surprising.

Statistically speaking, people do have a legit reason to call Lil Wayne ‘simple’.

This blogs pretty dope worth reading if you want a statistical breakdown of different rappers and shows how most of the popular ones excel in some area you mightn't have though about. http://rapmetrics.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/developing-a-syllword-threshold/

Here's one comparing J Cole and Waka Flocka (who pretty much has the same style as Gucci.) http://rapmetrics.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/wake-flocka-vs-j-cole/

I tend to really enjoy high rhyme density and low syllable per word count. I'm more into that than if the guys making sense the whole time. Rappers like Doom, Camron and Earl Sweatshirt all tend to stress rhyme density over any other characteristic so I like pretty much anything they put out.