Whats this I hear about Enda justifying having the Fine Geil site made in Florida?

Jennyrose

jmcc wrote: »

Ireland's hosting business is probably about five to eight years behind that of some of the larger countries in Europe.

As demonstrated by Microsoft who have their cloud datacenter in Dublin which hosts some of the biggest websites in North Europe

jmcc

Jennyrose wrote: »

As demonstrated by Microsoft who have their cloud datacenter in Dublin which hosts some of the biggest websites in North Europe

The Irish hosting business (rather than international companies with their Irish operations) is behind most of the larger European countries because of broadband/access issue. Microsoft hosting their cloud data centre in Dublin is an irrelevance to the Irish hosting business. You could just as easily have pointed out that Amazon's European operation is largely on Irish IP space. But the reality is that the hundreds of thousands of Irish domains and websites are hosted on Irish hosters (the number of active websites is smaller than the total number of websites). The larger European countries are ccTLD positive. That means that they have more of their local ccTLDs registered by registrants in those countries than .com or gTLD domains. Ireland is moving towards being ccTLD positive with .ie domain registrations overtaking the gTLD registrations. The majority of Irish websites are small, brochureware sites but this is changing. Broadband access is a critical element in driving the demand for more developed and more complex websites. A lot of this development should have taken place over 2003 to 2006. However poor broadband connectivity slowed down the development of the Irish web space.

Regards...jmcc

Sparks

The point shouldn't be where's cheaper or where has better service; this is an Irish political party we're talking about. They should be using an Irish hosting service for their website for the same reason that companies should eat their own dogfood.

goat2

Duncan1001011 wrote: »

I heard this was on the news the other day. Enda Kenny was saying that Ireland doesn't have enough technology for the production of the Fine Geil site.
How does this make the technology sector look on the global scale of things if a governmental intuition would out source to Florida??


Or am I just mad and picking up on bad meemes?

and what is enda doing about it, why does he not help in developing this technology, and that is bull**** anyway that he uses this as an excuse to go outside the country to spend our money, instead of seeing to it that it can be done within the country, and in so doing, creating jobs for those of us who want to work, but because of the likes of him giving the jobs to outsiders to do, he is doing us out of work and money

Jennyrose

Typically, we are getting side-tracked, off-message if you like.

Do you honestly think Fine Gael are sitting around debating the pros and cons of hosting here, there or anywhere. THEY DON'T CARE.

They just want to get into power and power at any cost.

If there was any sincerity or even plain cop, they would opt for a 100% Irish service and proclaim it from the roof-tops. It is akin to a Minister for Health promoting healthy lifestyle and losing weight. It's the message..

FYI Fianna Fail use Obama's Blue State Digital - no reply to a query from us.

The Green Party use an open source which is admirable (and brave to be honest)

Sinn Fein - in house

Labour -Digital Revolutionaries based in Parliament Street in Temple Bar.

Make your own mind up on whether you think a political party will ever put the common man to the fore.

goat2

good to see labour doing this,
enda should not be going on about helping the people of this country if this is the high road he takes,

ei.sdraob

Jennyrose wrote: »

As demonstrated by Microsoft who have their cloud datacenter in Dublin which hosts some of the biggest websites in North Europe

A great way to launder more money thru Ireland for them, and claim back expenses via corpo tax

goat2 wrote: »

good to see labour doing this,
enda should not be going on about helping the people of this country if this is the high road he takes,

as shown earlier all major parties (yes that includes labour) are hosted outside ireland

jmcc

Jennyrose wrote: »

Do you honestly think Fine Gael are sitting around debating the pros and cons of hosting here, there or anywhere. THEY DON'T CARE.

It is worse than that: they don't know. As I pointed out earlier, the decision over where to host is often the choice of the web developer rather than the client. And in the case of Fine Gael, they have used a US consultancy to provide something similar to Fianna Fail's operation though without the sophistication and knowledge of the market. The use of .com instead of .ie is quite amateurish in my opinion considering how advertising in the the Irish market now focuses on .ie domains and websites. the most easily recognised domains in Ireland now are .ie, .com and .co.uk.

FYI Fianna Fail use Obama's Blue State Digital - no reply to a query from us.

Who is "us"? I take it that you are in the media rather than the industry?

The Green Party use an open source which is admirable (and brave to be honest)

Why is it brave? Most of the web runs on Open Source.

Regards...jmcc

Ardent

Jesus wept, I've seen it all now. The country is banjaxed - hundreds of thousands on the dole, our economic sovereignty forsaken as we struggle with national bankruptcy, an incompetent shower of lying chancers in government - and we're going to decide who we vote for based on where a poxy website is hosted?!!

Jennyrose

jmcc wrote: »

It is worse than that: they don't know. As I pointed out earlier, the decision over where to host is often the choice of the web developer rather than the client. And in the case of Fine Gael, they have used a US consultancy to provide something similar to Fianna Fail's operation though without the sophistication and knowledge of the market. The use of .com instead of .ie is quite amateurish in my opinion considering how advertising in the the Irish market now focuses on .ie domains and websites. the most easily recognised domains in Ireland now are .ie, .com and .co.uk.

Who is "us"? I take it that you are in the media rather than the industry?

Why is it brave? Most of the web runs on Open Source.

Regards...jmcc

JMCC

I think we are, in a roundabout way, saying the same thing. Care/know, what matter. It is the sheer lack of foresight, vision whatever you may call it. And these parties think by engaging a US company for spin/design/web hosting, they are buying into that type of campaign.

Trouble is the Irish were never into that type of campaign. We find it obvious, loud, vulgar even. To see Obama deliver his speech on Congresswoman Giffords "opening her eyes" as he passed by her hospital bed. Urgh, spare us - he can't honestly talk like that in reality. I digress. Back to Enda and the lads.

Yes, you are right- they don't even have the nous to know what the sincere thing to do is, they are so desperate to get into the corridors of power whereby they will dazzle us with their torpor.

"Us"- I mean nothing sinister other than me and my partner, voters both, who have no vested interest in any political party. I was involved in Construction (god love me- I certainly never partied, just worked and worked and worked and now won't ever get paid) and he, thankfully isn't.

"Brave" in that truly, the bravery comes from the fact that they are using a cheap and practical solution to put forth their message (I wonder if they contributed to the open source crowd) even thouugh the site DOES look a bit crap to the untrained eye, s'all.

And regards the final comment relating to the point of all this, Corbusier once said, "God is in the detail".

Message folks. It's all about message.

PS I would have normally considered myself closest to Labour if anyone's asking but I find them as power-hungry as the rest.

Jennyrose

It's not the same situation but just to let people know that Mary Harney's Ministry of Health tendered out the cervical smear service and awarded it to an American Company.

Previously to this, the State's smears were carried out by the Cytology Department in the Rotunda.

This department was sacked in it's entirety and the contract went to the US.

Anyone can PM me about what has happened Laboratory-wise in the States- a tender that is so "competitive" is bound to be good, right?

For now, please note that that what was an Irish Service, devised and operated by Irish People for Irish Citizens is no longer here in our Republic.

goat2

Jennyrose wrote: »

It's not the same situation but just to let people know that Mary Harney's Ministry of Health tendered out the cervical smear service and awarded it to an American Company.

Previously to this, the State's smears were carried out by the Cytology Department in the Rotunda.

This department was sacked in it's entirety and the contract went to the US.

Anyone can PM me about what has happened Laboratory-wise in the States- a tender that is so "competitive" is bound to be good, right?

For now, please note that that what was an Irish Service, devised and operated by Irish People for Irish Citizens is no longer here in our Republic.

more revenue gone from the country, what is wrong with them, we have brilliantly educated people here in this country to carry out these tests all they need is the laboratory, i do not trust testing outside the country, and it is not bound to be better outside the state to carry out these tests, has the american company made mistakes in the past with these tests, and getting a cheaper quote does not mean a safer system, that is if it were a cheaper quote, or was there some other reason for it

Jennyrose

goat2 wrote: »

more revenue gone from the country, what is wrong with them, we have brilliantly educated people here in this country to carry out these tests all they need is the laboratory, i do not trust testing outside the country, and it is not bound to be better outside the state to carry out these tests, has the american company made mistakes in the past with these tests, and getting a cheaper quote does not mean a safer system, that is if it were a cheaper quote, or was there some other reason for it

All I can say is YES to all your points here.
Imagine how good a service is that is STILL cheaper to send continuous test samples off on a plane to a lab in Boston than to give it to qualified Irish workers in Dubiln 1, who have been carrying this work out for years. This WILL be a scandal to match the anti-D and hep C cases, without doubt. As I alluded to in my original post, I have a trusted opinion on what happened on the Boston end of things, the first series of batches in particular..

Harney will be long gone at that stage- she probably wouldn't avail of this "public" service anyway. There may be changes in political accountability by then. Here's hoping.

Dionysus

Ardent wrote: »

Jesus wept, I've seen it all now. The country is banjaxed - hundreds of thousands on the dole, our economic sovereignty forsaken as we struggle with national bankruptcy, an incompetent shower of lying chancers in government - and we're going to decide who we vote for based on where a poxy website is hosted?!!

Sorry about that. Please provide us with a list of all the factors we should legitimately consider when voting and the factors we shouldn't. We'll endeavour to follow your preferences and concerns precisely because whatever things you consider important are clearly the only things which are important in this election.

Liam Byrne

Jennyrose wrote: »

As demonstrated by Microsoft who have their cloud datacenter in Dublin which hosts some of the biggest websites in North Europe

But what if you don't want to use closed-shop proprietary technologies ?

Jennyrose

Dionysus wrote: »

Sorry about that. Please provide us with a list of all the factors we should legitimately consider when voting and the factors we shouldn't. We'll endeavour to follow your preferences and concerns precisely because whatever things you consider important are clearly the only things which are important in this election.

Couldn't have said that better