10 Day Figures 2011

RedorDead

For anyone interested - 10 day figures for 2011 are in

1 TOYOTA 1,102 17.5%
2 FORD 735 11.7%
3 RENAULT 608 9.7%
4 VOLKSWAGEN 485 7.7%
5 NISSAN 482 7.7%
6 OPEL 363 5.8%
7 HYUNDAI 294 4.7%
8 BMW 286 4.5%
9 SKODA 281 4.5%
10 MERCEDES-BENZ 237 3.8%

Market is up 41% on same period last year

Top 10 Models

1 TOYOTA AVENSIS 366 5.8%
2 TOYOTA COROLLA 254 4.0%
3 RENAULT FLUENCE 247 3.9%
4 FORD FIESTA 239 3.8%
5 VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 237 3.8%
6 TOYOTA AURIS 231 3.7%
7 NISSAN QASHQAI 223 3.5%
8 FORD FOCUS 192 3.0%
9 TOYOTA YARIS 180 2.9%
10 MERCEDES-BENZ E-CLASS 168 2.7%

Courtesy of motorcheck.ie

Fizman

I'm actually a little surprised that Skoda is only 9th on the sales list. Would have thought the diesel Octavias and Superbs would have caught on a lot more.

Regarding the models list........I fell asleep before I got to No. 3.

Shane732

:eek: 168 E-Class Mercs sold!!

Cionád

41% up on last year so far is good going. If that was to continue for the year that would mean 110k+ cars sold. While not great compared to the boom years, its a respectable and sustainable level of sales.

Shane732, there is money out there... people are just afraid to spend it.

EPM

I'm suprised the E-Class has outsold the new 5 series. I was expecting a glut of 520d's to be registered.

whippet

I have been in a few showrooms over the last few weeks and to be fair they are exceptionally busy. I don't know if this is a valid excuse for not getting a call back from their sales guys mind you !!!

unkel

whippet wrote: »

I have been in a few showrooms over the last few weeks and to be fair they are exceptionally busy. I don't know if this is a valid excuse for not getting a call back from their sales guys mind you !!!

There's never a valid reason for not calling back a potential customer.

ShadowHearth

Shane732 wrote: »

:eek: 168 E-Class Mercs sold!!

i thought same thing.... i was surprised to see merc at all in this list...

poor become poorer and rich become richer!

Big Nasty

Can Renault make it in to the top two this year?

unkel

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Can Renault make it in to the top two this year?

With the scrappage scheme ending in June? I doubt it. They're doing well as is!

Cookie_Monster

Shane732 wrote: »

:eek: 168 E-Class Mercs sold!!

must be all those people on 200k plus spending the extra from their new tax reductions

unkel

unkel wrote: »

With the scrappage scheme ending in June? I doubt it. They're doing well as is!

I reckon whoever wanted one bought one, they'll never be truly popular, they sold them in 2010 solely because they were cheap.

fletch

Biggest shock for me is the Renault Fluence in 3rd! I was looking at them for a friend of mine who was interested and couldn't find one good reason for him to buy one over an Octavia (unless I am missing something)

Mc Love

I cant believe how much of the market Toyota have?!

Top Dog

Well those numbers explain my first two '11 plate sightings today - an Auris & a Corolla :rolleyes:

R.O.R

EPM wrote: »

I'm suprised the E-Class has outsold the new 5 series. I was expecting a glut of 520d's to be registered.

I think it's because the 5 Series is still taking ages to come through - not that many made it before the end of the year.

I got one today that was ordered 5th October, but another that was ordered the same date is still in transport.

Raskolnikov

fletch wrote: »

Biggest shock for me is the Renault Fluence in 3rd! I was looking at them for a friend of mine who was interested and couldn't find one good reason for him to buy one over an Octavia (unless I am missing something)

It's a kagillion times better looking than an Octavia.

EPM

Raskolnikov wrote: »

It's a kagillion times better looking than an Octavia.

I wouldnt class an Octavia as good looking but the Fluence...come on...

Zubeneschamali

Mc Love wrote: »

I cant believe how much of the market Toyota have?!

The Avensis is at least a new model. Why are people buying Corollas?

EPM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The Avensis is at least a new model. Why are people buying Corollas?

Because they've always bought them:D

But don't worry, with the population getting older these coffin dodgers can't have that long left:pac:

no1beemerfan

Shane732 wrote: »

:eek: 168 E-Class Mercs sold!!

EPM wrote: »

I'm suprised the E-Class has outsold the new 5 series. I was expecting a glut of 520d's to be registered.

Can't believe this either, I've seen 11 regs and pleanty of 10 regs 520d but haven't seen any 11 reg mercs and thankfully only a few 10 regs.

RobAMerc

Toyota 1 & 2, I am depressed.

Just goes to show 95% of Irish people consider a good car as something they perceive as reliable. ( and a posh car as one which has the newest plate possible !)

Raskolnikov

Looks better to me.

EPM

And how many high spec ones will there be like that in this country? I deliberately took a middling looking spec one. But comparing high spec ones this will age a lot better imo.

A friend emigrates to Oz about 18 months ago (not for work for the other thing ), anyway he was back for Christmas and rented a Fluence, he reckoned 'twas an awful heap of sh1te, I had a quick look at it, terrible thing, cheap and nasty inside and it was clad in wheel trims. €15,000 is about right for one new.

Leonard Hofstadter

RedorDead wrote: »

For anyone interested - 10 day figures for 2011 are in

1 TOYOTA 1,102 17.5%

There we have it folks - the reason we're so screwed:mad:!

Not even slightly ahead - but by a complete landslide! This is proof, if ever we needed it, that there are substantial number of morons living in Ireland.

Toyota don't even have anything new coming this year(bar some mini-MPV whose name I've forgotten because it's a Toyota so I normally go to sleep about anything Toyota related), and last year they facelifted two utterly sh!t€ cars.

These are all the idiots that believe that if you drive at more than about 62 kph your car will quite literally explode, and drive everywhere at precisely 62 kph. The only time it's any slower is accelerating to 62 kph and braking to come to a stop. Then again Toyotas are such horse manure to drive, with such terrible steering devoid of any information, they're probably dangerous to drive any faster than 62 kph, such is the lack of knowledge about what the front wheels are doing and the lightness of the steering:(.

On the general point about the numbers being up on last year.

I wouldn't be getting too excited yet - remember that last year nothing sold at all for the first three weeks because of the snow - that is not a factor this year.

To put it into context, the ten day figures for 2011 are DOWN 1220 units on the annus horribilus of 2009, or 16.23 per cent.

Can anyone explain why so few Mondeos have been sold?

If BMW are not in the top ten for models, how is their market share so high?

maidhc

captainspeed wrote: »

These are all the idiots that believe that if you drive at more than about 62 kph your will quite literally explode, and drive everywhere at precisely 62 kph. The only time it's any slower is accelerating and braking to come to a stop. Then again Toyotas are such horse manure to drive, with such terrible steering devoid of any information, they're dangerous to drive any faster than 62 kph, such is the lack of knowledge about what the front wheels are doing and the lightness of the steering:(.

The Avensis is a comfy barge in fairness to it. Comfy barge is good on most irish roads. Crashing ride with good handling not so good.

The Avensis is also great value, a good bit cheaper than the Mondeo for instance. It also has a very decent drivetrain in poverty spec (125bhp/6sp)

captainspeed wrote: »

Can anyone explain why so few Mondeos have been sold?

Ford dealers tend to make baby jesus cry from my experience. Only the new model qualifies for scrappage, and I don't know what its availability is like.

Leonard Hofstadter

maidhc wrote: »

The Avensis is a comfy barge in fairness to it. Comfy barge is good on most irish roads. Crashing ride with good handling not so good.

The Avensis is also great value, a good bit cheaper than the Mondeo for instance. It also has a very decent drivetrain in poverty spec (125bhp/6sp)

They're not barge like at all, they're so light, but lightness is usually a good thing, but I find the Avensis goes all over the place if it's windy and wet at more than 100 km/h. You can even feel them slightly rocking from side to side when the wipers are on top speed if you're in traffic.

The reason the current model is cheaper than the rest is because it is made so much cheaper than the rest - nasty plastics, and evidence of cost cutting over all the place in the cabin. In the Mk2 Avensis the grab handles for closing the boot was cleverly moulded in the boot lining, like in most modern cars. In the Mk3 model, there is a bit of plastic sticking out, that looks like it cost Toyota about 50 cent to make. No doubt being a modern day Toyota it's not that well made either.

True to form, the Avensis has SFA as standard - steel wheels in a car of that price in 2011? A poverty spec Mondeo has had alloys, bluetooth, and fogs for a good while now (needless to say, these items are not standard on the Toyota) - another reason it's cheaper to buy. Actually, an Avensis diesel with alloys and fogs is more expensive than the poverty spec Mondeo and still does not have bluetooth (or electric height adjustment of the drivers' seat).

maidhc wrote: »

Ford dealers tend to make baby jesus cry from my experience. Only the new model qualifies for scrappage, and I don't know what its availability is like.

Ford dealers are worse than useless, that is true alright:D!

R.O.R

Not meaning to be picking on you, but you since you don't really know what you are talking about, I have to:

captainspeed wrote: »

There we have it folks - the reason we're so screwed:mad:!

Not even slightly ahead - but by a complete landslide! This is proof, if ever we needed it, that there are substantial number of morons living in Ireland.

Toyota don't even have anything new coming this year(bar some mini-MPV whose name I've forgotten because it's a Toyota so I normally go to sleep about anything Toyota related), and last year they facelifted two utterly sh!t€ cars.

Toyota, for the main part, had all their 2011 cars in their compound before the end of the year, and managed to transport them before the snow hit. Lots of Toyota's sitting in dealers on the 4th Jan ready for regging. That's why they have the highest registration figures - no other volume manufacturer was ahead of the game like Toyota.

captainspeed wrote: »

On the general point about the numbers being up on last year.

I wouldn't be getting too excited yet - remember that last year nothing sold at all for the first three weeks because of the snow - that is not a factor this year.

Not many people collected their cars in the first 3 weeks of last year, but these figures aren't about people collecting cars, they are about registrations. Snow didn't stop the dealers getting on to ROS to register cars in 2010

captainspeed wrote: »

To put it into context, the ten day figures for 2011 are DOWN 1220 units on the annus horribilus of 2009, or 16.23 per cent.

As most manufacturers struggled to overcome the extreme weather across northern europe to get their cars in to the country, the 10 day figures don't really hold any weight. Even the 20 day figures will be askew because of delivery delays.

captainspeed wrote: »

Can anyone explain why so few Mondeos have been sold?

Half the Mondeo's we've had regged this year were ordered before the end of August. The other half were ones our dealer had taken a chance on ordering for stock. Orders will come through, but I wouldn't think there will be that many sold - just seems to have gone out of fashion.

captainspeed wrote: »

If BMW are not in the top ten for models, how is their market share so high?

- They have a lot of different models?

J77

fletch wrote: »

Biggest shock for me is the Renault Fluence in 3rd! I was looking at them for a friend of mine who was interested and couldn't find one good reason for him to buy one over an Octavia (unless I am missing something)

I'm 99% confident that the fluence is gonna have a bad reputation for being unreliable/crap in a few years time.

You get what you pay for.

Absurdum

I'm surprised by the amount of E Classes too, and also by the lack of A, B, C etc Classes being sold!

Zubeneschamali

J77 wrote: »

I'm 99% confident that the fluence is gonna have a bad reputation for being unreliable/crap in a few years time.

I'm sure it already has with many people: "French cars are dirt! Buy Japanese!"

maidhc

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'm sure it already has with many people: "French cars are dirt! Buy Japanese!"

Fluence is more or less a Korean Samsung though?

Mc Love

The only reason Ford not doing too well is because the only new(ish) car is the revamped S-MAX, whereas we have still a few months to wait for the new Focus

Zonda999

maidhc wrote: »

Fluence is more or less a Korean Samsung though?

No to be fair, its built in Turkey on the very same platform as the megane. Its not built in the same plant as the megane because modern car buying countries in western europe can see that saloons in that segment are a thing of the past and therefore do not buy them Afaik, we are the only West European country that gets them. In base spec they do indeed look terrible with black door mirrors and hub caps. To be fair though, go up to Dynamique spec and they look fairly smart IMO.

Most of the ones you see here at this stage come with the 85bhp diesel engine, this is less than almost any rival yet Irish people seem not to care...

fletch

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Looks better to me.

Looks are subjective

Skoda Octavia Ambiente 1.2 TSI 105 BHP 6G Man €18,700
BHP: 105
Torque: 175Nm
CO2: 134 g/km
Tax: €156p.a.
Gears: 6
0-100kmh: 10.8secs


Renault Fluence 1.6 16V Royale €18,890.00
BHP: 81
Torque: 151Nm
CO2: 156 g/km
Tax: €447p.a.
Gears: 5
0-100kmh: 11.7secs

The Octavia is considerably more powerful, cheaper to buy and run.

knifey_spoonie

The footfall in the showrooms is very much up on last year, but the weather has a huge part to play in that.

I suppose the true measure is the fact that I am still sitting at me desk after finishing my last call back of the day, as i havn't had the time to return calls before 6.

And the reason Toyota are selling so well is that they are priced right, you can have an auris for 1000-1500 cheaper that the same ford,opel or vw, and if you want AC then pay the extra 1000 and have it at the same price as a ford/opel or vw. Toyota know the irish market and the fact most people use their car as an a-b tool nothing more.

cooltown

fletch wrote: »

The Octavia is considerably more powerful, cheaper to buy and run.

The Octavia is also bland and boring!

fletch

cooltown wrote: »

The Octavia is also bland and boring!

As I said, that's subjective. The Fluence certainly doesn't light my fire!

Edit: Oh and I'm not a Renault basher, I am considering a Clio 197 as my next car.

fletch

LIGHTNING wrote: »

One wonders however how many of those 1.2`s will be around in 7-10 years, consdering they are using Turbos.

I would guess more than the Fluence but then that's just complete hearsay

BrianD3

fletch wrote: »

Looks are subjective

Skoda Octavia Ambiente 1.2 TSI 105 BHP 6G Man €18,700
BHP: 105
Torque: 175Nm
CO2: 134 g/km
Tax: €156p.a.
Gears: 6
0-100kmh: 10.8secs


Renault Fluence 1.6 16V Royale €18,890.00
BHP: 81
Torque: 151Nm
CO2: 156 g/km
Tax: €447p.a.
Gears: 5
0-100kmh: 11.7secs

The Octavia is considerably more powerful, cheaper to buy and run.

The power figure for the Fluence is incorrect, you've failed to mention Renaults "scrappage" discount or the much better warranty on the Renault.

It's quite likely that the 1.2 TSi Skoda will be more prone to problems than the 1.6 Renault.

Anyway, very few new car buyers are buying petrol. If you look at diesels

Fluence Royale 1.5DCi 110 bhp is 17750 including Renault's discounts but not the gov. scrappage or any dealer discount.

The base model Octavia diesel is 105 bhp and costs 19760, I see no mention of any discount on that price on the Skoda.ie website

Shane732

fletch wrote: »

I would guess more than the Fluence but then that's just complete hearsay

I certainly hope there's more than the Fluence.

I die a bit inside every time I see one of those Fluence's.

Shane732

BrianD3 wrote: »

The power figure for the Fluence is incorrect, you've failed to mention Renaults "scrappage" discount or the much better warranty on the Renault.

It's quite likely that the 1.2 TSi Skoda will be more prone to problems than the 1.6 Renault.

Anyway, very few new car buyers are buying petrol. If you look at diesels

Fluence Royale 1.5DCi 110 bhp is 17750 including Renault's discounts but not the gov. scrappage or any dealer discount.

The base model Octavia diesel is 105 bhp and costs 19760, I see no mention of any discount on that price on the Skoda.ie website

Yea but you're driving a Fluence.

fletch

BrianD3 wrote: »

The power figure for the Fluence is incorrect, you've failed to mention Renaults "scrappage" discount or the much better warranty on the Renault.

It's quite likely that the 1.2 TSi Skoda will be more prone to problems than the 1.6 Renault.

Anyway, very few new car buyers are buying petrol. If you look at diesels

Fluence Royale 1.5DCi 110 bhp is 17750 including Renault's discounts but not the gov. scrappage or any dealer discount.

The base model Octavia diesel is 105 bhp and costs 19760, I see no mention of any discount on that price on the Skoda.ie website

Yes but nobody is going to pay 19760 for the Octavia either.....you'd want to be a complete tool if you didn't secure some sort of discount.

Your price is also assuming you have a trade in that is 8 years old....I am just looking at cash prices

I got the power figure off the Renault website...

delly

Would toyota's 3 year servicing have much effect on the numbers? You know the older type who would change there car on a set number of years regardless of resale values.

BrianD3

fletch wrote: »

Yes but nobody is going to pay 19760 for the Octavia either.....you'd want to be a complete tool if you didn't secure some sort of discount.

Yeah, from the dealer. The Renault discount is from the distributor and there may be scope for an additional discount from the dealer.

You don't need an 8 year old trade in to get the Renault distributor discount. Calling it "scrappage" is marketing, it's a discount and is available to cash buyers.

I got the power figure off the Renault website...

Saw that alright, they mixed up the Kw and bhp figures. The car has 110 bhp.

kyote00

property developers wifes

Shane732 wrote: »

:eek: 168 E-Class Mercs sold!!

Matt Simis

EPM wrote: »

I'm suprised the E-Class has outsold the new 5 series. I was expecting a glut of 520d's to be registered.

Anyone else think the cant drive in bad weather reputation BMW (and not Merc and Lexus who are as bad) have got over the last 2 months will negatively impact their 2011 sales?
My mother was showing me a newspaper article, bunch of angry letters about BMWs and their "stone age RWD technology" (?!) and how crappy little runabouts outperformed them.

They even got a statement from BMW on "why do you suck in the snow". BMW effectively said that "the weather was even worse in the rest of Europe and BMWs did fine there as all cars struggle without the "correct" tyres being fitted.. which is why BMW Ireland started offering Winter tyres in October".

BMW are of course correct, but the statement was still a bit surprising as the issue in the consumer mindset is that they now think a "top end" 520d is inferior in design to a Civic, one of the "good" cars quoted which doesnt need Winters (in their mind).

RedorDead

captainspeed wrote: »

There we have it folks - the reason we're so screwed:mad:!

Not even slightly ahead - but by a complete landslide! This is proof, if ever we needed it, that there are substantial number of morons living in Ireland.

Toyota don't even have anything new coming this year(bar some mini-MPV whose name I've forgotten because it's a Toyota so I normally go to sleep about anything Toyota related), and last year they facelifted two utterly sh!t€ cars.

These are all the idiots that believe that if you drive at more than about 62 kph your car will quite literally explode, and drive everywhere at precisely 62 kph. The only time it's any slower is accelerating to 62 kph and braking to come to a stop. Then again Toyotas are such horse manure to drive, with such terrible steering devoid of any information, they're probably dangerous to drive any faster than 62 kph, such is the lack of knowledge about what the front wheels are doing and the lightness of the steering:(.

Just wondering if Toyotas garda car delivery of Avensis was included in this figure. Probably is given the lead they have.

Zonda999

I believe it is in which case its a significant help to those figures

dingding

cooltown wrote: »

The Octavia is also bland and boring!

The Octavia is also an Skoda