Patriot Act, a Nazi law: Former CIA official

Run_to_da_hills

The United State Act is similar to the legislations carried out by the Nazi Germany in the World War II era, a former CIA officer says.

To those of us that are not familiar with the Patriot act, this emergency act was signed into force in 2001 almost immediately after 9/11 to give the US congress more powers to fight terrorism but at the expense of civil liberties.

Similar measures were rushed through by the Nazis after the burning of the Reichstag in 1933.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/159376.html

mgmt

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The United State Act is similar to the legislations carried out by the Nazi Germany in the World War II era, a former CIA officer says.

To those of us that are not familiar with the Patriot act, this emergency act was signed into force in 2001 almost immediately after 9/11 to give the US congress more powers to fight terrorism but at the expense of civil liberties.

Similar measures were rushed through by the Nazis after the burning of the Reichstag in 1933.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/159376.html

You do know that Press TV is Irans propaganda news channel.

mgmt

You should watch this video on the US Justice System (NSFW).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqb6dFBDwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9RGLxDwPY

Why did Obama renew the Patriot Act? The US is a turning into a hell hole of a country.

Run_to_da_hills

mgmt wrote: »

You do know that Press TV is Irans propaganda news channel.

Yes but the words are from Phillip Giraldi, a former CIA official.

It's obvious that the US is heading down the slippery slope even without reading this.

One only has to examine all the false flags in recent times and the follow up legislation.

Problem Reaction Solution.

When is the HR418 Real ID card due out? This will be the big one.

steelcityblues

Obama is another non-liberty pro-statist, which is why he renewed the Act.

Very little 'liberal' about him despite the moniker used all too often by his supporters, detractors, fellow politicians and commentators.

RichieC

steelcityblues wrote: »

Obama is another non-liberty pro-statist, which is why he renewed the Act.

Very little 'liberal' about him despite the moniker used all too often by his supporters, detractors, fellow politicians and commentators.

Never ceases to amaze me hearing people call him a commie..

Einhard

The difference being overlooked is that in America, one can run for president on a mandate of repealing the Patriot Act. In Nazi Germany, you'd be shot. In Iran, you wouldn't be allowed to run. Funny how that is so often overlooked when the US is compared to autocratic dictatorships...

karma_

Einhard wrote: »

The difference being overlooked is that in America, one can run for president on a mandate of repealing the Patriot Act. In Nazi Germany, you'd be shot. In Iran, you wouldn't be allowed to run. Funny how that is so often overlooked when the US is compared to autocratic dictatorships...

They may not be as you say, but how much more legislation, like the patriot act, would it take for them to emerge as one? Nazi Germany didn't just appear out of a vacuum, there was a definable process which led to it's existence.

Einhard

karma_ wrote: »

They may not be as you say, but how much more legislation, like the patriot act, would it take for them to emerge as one? Nazi Germany didn't just appear out of a vacuum, there was a definable process which led to it's existence.

A huge amount of legisaltion actually. Plus intent. The legislation introduced by the Nazis in the early days of the 3rd Reich had one end- to ensure their continued and unequivocal power. That's simply not the case in America.

RichieC

Einhard wrote: »

A huge amount of legisaltion actually. Plus intent. The legislation introduced by the Nazis in the early days of the 3rd Reich had one end- to ensure their continued and unequivocal power. That's simply not the case in America.

The US already has a single unequivocal power, corporations, the country is owned, the people have no power.

Doesn't matter who they vote for or what s/he promises, the pentagon and wall-street will have their way.

EastTexas

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The United State Act is similar to the legislations carried out by the Nazi Germany in the World War II era, a former CIA officer says.

To those of us that are not familiar with the Patriot act, this emergency act was signed into force in 2001 almost immediately after 9/11 to give the US congress more powers to fight terrorism but at the expense of civil liberties.

Similar measures were rushed through by the Nazis after the burning of the Reichstag in 1933.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/159376.html

Anytime you put the laws of a modern western nation or its political system on par with the Nazis, you only marginalize if not legitimize the Nazis.
That being open and bureaucratically implemented systematic genocide and mass crimes against humanity.
In the spirit of free speech, IMHO it should not be forbidden, but with freedom of speech and expression comes personal responsibility attached.
Something everybody should examine for themselves before they speak.

Einhard

RichieC wrote: »

The US already has a single unequivocal power, corporations, the country is owned, the people have no power.

Doesn't matter who they vote for or what s/he promises, the pentagon and wall-street will have their way.

And that's why the corporations managed to completely defeat Obama's healthcare and financial regulation reforms, both of which big business were strongly against...

steelcityblues

EastTexas wrote: »

Anytime you put the laws of a modern western nation or its political system on par with the Nazis, you only marginalize if not legitimize the Nazis.
That being open and bureaucratically implemented systematic genocide and mass crimes against humanity.
In the spirit of free speech, IMHO it should not be forbidden, but with freedom of speech and expression comes personal responsibility attached.
Something everybody should examine for themselves before they speak.

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a hell of a lot easier!" George W. Bush

EastTexas

steelcityblues wrote: »

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a hell of a lot easier!" George W. Bush

It was a joke.
Context?
Meaning that Democracy is far more cumbersome ….but worth is all the same.:D

kaiser sauze

EastTexas wrote: »

Anytime you put the laws of a modern western nation or its political system on par with the Nazis, you only marginalize if not legitimize the Nazis.
That being open and bureaucratically implemented systematic genocide and mass crimes against humanity.
In the spirit of free speech, IMHO it should not be forbidden, but with freedom of speech and expression comes personal responsibility attached.
Something everybody should examine for themselves before they speak.

Why the double standard with the hateful rhetoric from right-wing groups, TV and radio pundits and Teapublican politicians?

You, Sir, are an enormous hypocrite.

EastTexas

Einhard wrote: »

A huge amount of legisaltion actually. Plus intent. The legislation introduced by the Nazis in the early days of the 3rd Reich had one end- to ensure their continued and unequivocal power. That's simply not the case in America.

Well put,
Moreover anybody who compares the US with the Nazis to bolster their point of view already lost any credibility they ever hoped to have.
Most reasonable people just tune out.

MeatProduct

EastTexas wrote: »

Well put,
Moreover anybody who compares the US with the Nazis to bolster their point of view already lost any credibility they ever hoped to have.
Most reasonable people just tune out.

"Reasonable" being the common view held by the average citizen that has gone through a system of education that has no interest in mental liberation, freedom of thought or, indeed, criticial self-evaluation. A system of education that uses a brute force method to tell us how to view the world. A system that has a most definite motive for selling us a world view.

So of course most "reasonable" people tune out, because that is what they have been trained to do. Not an objective view of reality. Most reasonable people are likely to believe what their governments tell them. Most reasonable people are not willing to look at their lives and take personal responsibility for what they think and why they think it.

We all bear responsibility for the world we have contributed to and by the evidence we are not taking very much responsibility. Of course nobody naturally wants to accept responsibility and face up to facts about themselves and that's what has landed us where we are. A place that will put up with killing people for matters as trivial as oil, WMDs, money, etc.

Ah well......

nick

steelcityblues

Good news with the extension of the Patriot Act failing to pass the House of Reps earlier today! Vote required two thirds to pass but failed.

Find who voted for/against here!





http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll026.xml

Overheal

When House Republicans suffered an embarrassing defeat Tuesday in trying to pass an extension of the Patriot Act, they pointed a finger not at defiant members of their own party, but at Democrats who didn’t play along as expected.

Thirty-four Democrats who had supported past extensions of the Patriot Act voted against another extension on Tuesday, breaking with President Obama and surprising Republicans, who had expected an easy win.

Republican leaders were quick to accuse Democrats of trying to make the new majority look foolish.

“If the same Democrats who voted for those provisions last year, would have voted for them this year, it would have passed,” Speaker John Boehner said Wednesday morning, as his party braced for another bruising day on the floor.

Representative Robert E. Andrews, a New Jersey Democrat who supported an extension of the Patriot Act in 2005, said on Wednesday that politics had nothing to do with his vote. Rather, he said, Republicans made a mistake in rushing the bill to the floor without hearings or amendments. The vote was taken under a suspension of the rules, which required a two-thirds margin for passage.

“In 2005 I think there was a degree of care and deliberation; I don’t think there was this time,” he said “I don’t think there was this time.”

Mr. Andrews is in favor of extending two of the counterterrorism act’s provisions, but has reservations about the so-called “lone wolf” provision, which allows surveillance of someone who is deemed suspicious but who has no known ties to an organized terrorist group.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/republicans-fault-democrats-on-vote/

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