"safety Vans"

patrickc

there seems to be one permanently around Carlow at present, I've spotted it a few times between Calow and the powerstown roundabout, once in the Dolmen 60kph Zone also.
completly shooting fish in a barrell on a road that used to be 100kph out there.

tonight they were at Fitzpatricks garage also where it's 60kph also.

just posting to warn people as these locations are purely revenue raisers.

If you spot them around post here also, useful to know these things.

LookBehindYou

I saw one hidden near the sugar factory on the athy road

tombull82

:mad::mad: tossers, Accident pron area's my Ar*e :mad::mad:

godwin

spotted on the long straight(kilkenny direction)after the dolmen 60kph zone. and once again at wells, after the royal oak turn off.

patrickc

godwin wrote: »

spotted on the long straight(kilkenny direction)after the dolmen 60kph zone. and once again at wells, after the royal oak turn off.

when you say kilkenny direction dont forget they can get you going both directions

tightropetom

So are these the new safety vans with a warning sign up for the general area?

slimjimmc

tightropetom wrote: »

So are these the new safety vans with a warning sign up for the general area?

No signs. The "safety zones" are published on http://www.garda.ie/GoSafe.htm so you're supposed to expect them anywhere in the red lines anytime.

tightropetom

slimjimmc wrote: »

No signs. The "safety zones" are published on http://www.garda.ie/GoSafe.htm so you're supposed to expect them anywhere in the red lines anytime.

That's quite interesting. I thought it would be like the UK where they have signs up showing the possibility of speed checks ahead. The visual reminder really makes you check your speed. I reckonnwith the current setup, people won't take as much heed. Boo to the NRA. If they were keen on safety they'd so it like the uk

flamegrill

The "sister in law", not quite yet, heh, got caught out near the Dump last week heading towards the KK direction also.

Nothingbetter2d

i spotted one opposite rathnapish on friday morning

testicle

It's currently out the Dublin Road near the M9.

patrickc

was out at the Dolmen again last night , in the fog where you could hardly see in front of you. about half ten.

byhookorbycrook

Both ways?Feic... One on the road from Carlow to Tullow today (out through Chapelstown)at Castlemore- just where the road widens,across from the motte and bailey.

DRAT. Normally good on that road, just was in a hurry after work.:(

patrickc

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Both ways?Feic... One on the road from Carlow to Tullow today (out through Chapelstown)at Castlemore- just where the road widens,across from the motte and bailey.

DRAT. Normally good on that road, just was in a hurry after work.:(

yeh they say both ways , supposed to be 2 cameras in them.

were you going much over?

SV

Seen one of these in the 60km/h section outside the Dolmen hotel at.. Wait for it... 1:45am.

Shooting fish in a barrel. It's just revenue raising, it always has and always will be.
Has there even been a death on that section of the road?

Absolute joke. That said, glad i'm driving this slow piece of crap car now ha.

patrickc

SV wrote: »

Seen one of these in the 60km/h section outside the Dolmen hotel at.. Wait for it... 1:45am.

Shooting fish in a barrel. It's just revenue raising, it always has and always will be.
Has there even been a death on that section of the road?

Absolute joke. That said, glad i'm driving this slow piece of crap car now ha.

yeh seen them there late and the fog also.

I asked someone that about the deaths the other day, and they could tell me about 5 deaths they can recall in the last 10 years between Carlow and the powerstown roundabout. they just sit there at the dolmen as you rightly say to raise revenue

Fighting Irish

Raise revenue and to make drivers follow the speed limits!

testicle

patrickc wrote: »

I asked someone that about the deaths the other day, and they could tell me about 5 deaths they can recall in the last 10 years between Carlow and the powerstown roundabout. they just sit there at the dolmen as you rightly say to raise revenue

Isn't that 5 deaths to many?

Considering the operators are paid by the hour, and not by the number of people caught, it's difficult to prove that they're revenue generating.

SV

It isn't difficult really.
How many deaths have occurred on the 60km/h section?
How many of these were due to excess speed?


If the answer to either of them is NO (and I suspect it's both ) then they are generating revenue and SHOULD NOT be there.

ottostreet

I actually know of someone who was 'killed' on that stretch.

(I say 'killed' because he was dead, but brought back in the ambulance twenty minutes later).

He was a passenger in a pick up truck that was ran into from behind by a speeding artic just at the Dolmen.


Having said that though, I still disagree with the limit there.

byhookorbycrook

patrickc wrote: »

yeh they say both ways , supposed to be 2 cameras in them.

were you going much over?

Ten kph, I think...

SV

ottostreet wrote: »

I actually know of someone who was 'killed' on that stretch.

(I say 'killed' because he was dead, but brought back in the ambulance twenty minutes later).

He was a passenger in a pick up truck that was ran into from behind by a speeding artic just at the Dolmen.


Having said that though, I still disagree with the limit there.

Ah yeah I know who you're talking about.

tombull82

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Raise revenue and to make drivers follow the speed limits!

Fair play if they are there to keep drivers to the limits but at least be it in a limit which makes sense. I know that "the keepers of our roads" are fighting hard to get the limits in that area revised by NRA as its common belief that the current limits are a joke.

testicle wrote: »

Isn't that 5 deaths to many?

Considering the operators are paid by the hour, and not by the number of people caught, it's difficult to prove that they're revenue generating.

5 deaths by SPEED? I can recall 2 of them and both were drink related.

I suspect he means Revenue generating for the Gov not for the actual operator.

SIX PACK

Safety vans/revenue collectors I was driving in from Athy yester evening about 17:00 up past sugar factory they were checking speeds its 60km along that stretch i was doing 65km:o. Does anyone think i will get a ticket ??

Captain Havoc

SIX PACK wrote: »

Safety vans/revenue collectors I was driving in from Athy yester evening about 17:00 up past sugar factory they were checking speeds its 60km along that stretch i was doing 65km:o. Does anyone think i will get a ticket ??

Probably not, there's usually about 10% give (but not always), I did exactly the same thing a few weeks ago near Athy.

SV

Well I got my speeding ticket in the post today.
Excellent.

slimjimmc

SV wrote: »

Seen one of these in the 60km/h section outside the Dolmen hotel at.. Wait for it... 1:45am.

Shooting fish in a barrel. It's just revenue raising, it always has and always will be.
Has there even been a death on that section of the road?

Absolute joke. That said, glad i'm driving this slow piece of crap car now ha.

A child was killed many years ago crossing the road at Southern Gardens and there have been other fatal accidents over the years on the straight section on the Kilkenny side of the hotel. I don't know of any fatal accidents directly opposite the hotel but there was a serious accident near there in 2009.

patrickc

SV wrote: »

Well I got my speeding ticket in the post today.
Excellent.

that was well quick.

foggy_lad

the safety van was out between Paulstown and Royal Oak Cross yesterday afternoon but the cunning Bus eireann Drivers were warning each other so as not to get caught out:)

SV

patrickc wrote: »

that was well quick.

Wasn't it?
Well at least it removes any doubts I had in my head..that said I was positive I HADN'T been caught.

Ragin

patrickc

SV wrote: »

Wasn't it?
Well at least it removes any doubts I had in my head..that said I was positive I HADN'T been caught.

Ragin

were you much over? just wondering what their flexibility on speed is like.

patrickc

foggy_lad wrote: »

the safety van was out between Paulstown and Royal Oak Cross yesterday afternoon but the cunning Bus eireann Drivers were warning each other so as not to get caught out:)

fair play to them.. although its a 100kph along there and you'd imagine the buses would be limited to that.

SV

patrickc wrote: »

were you much over? just wondering what their flexibility on speed is like.

7km/h over.

foggy_lad

patrickc wrote: »

fair play to them.. although its a 100kph along there and you'd imagine the buses would be limited to that.

limited mechanically to 100km/h but the general speed limit for coaches is 80km/h except for motorways, dual carriagways and the better N roads so 100km/h would see them over the limit on that stretch.

patrickc

SV wrote: »

7km/h over.

blimmin harsh that.

foggy_lad wrote: »

limited mechanically to 100km/h but the general speed limit for coaches is 80km/h except for motorways, dual carriagways and the better N roads so 100km/h would see them over the limit on that stretch.

ah right, i thought the limit was 100kph full stop, didnt realise a seperate one for dc's and motorways.

e-Mo0?

Do you get a fine and points or whats the story with them?

SIX PACK

€80 & 2 Points is the normal value :cool:
Hope i dont get 1 for doing 65km in a 60km

sharky86

out the castledermot road again tonight at quarter to 11 in a red colored van with the speed camera stickers on it.........sneaky B******'s

dolandy

Had one sneak up on me today. :eek: Nice red one but could only see the camera icon on its side as I passed it.

Would I be incorrect to assume that they only monitor traffic to the rear of the vans? I know I was a touch over coming towards the front of the van but was under as I was travelling away. It was parked on my side of the road facing me.

cheers,

ian

SV

dolandy wrote: »

Had one sneak up on me today. :eek: Nice red one but could only see the camera icon on its side as I passed it.

Would I be incorrect to assume that they only monitor traffic to the rear of the vans? I know I was a touch over coming towards the front of the van but was under as I was travelling away. It was parked on my side of the road facing me.

cheers,

ian

Well I got caught whilst it was on the opposite side of the road and facing me.
Direction does not seem to matter.

dolandy

SV wrote: »

Well I got caught whilst it was on the opposite side of the road and facing me.
Direction does not seem to matter.

ahh balls!

patrickc

dolandy wrote: »

Had one sneak up on me today. :eek: Nice red one but could only see the camera icon on its side as I passed it.

Would I be incorrect to assume that they only monitor traffic to the rear of the vans? I know I was a touch over coming towards the front of the van but was under as I was travelling away. It was parked on my side of the road facing me.

cheers,

ian

SV wrote: »

Well I got caught whilst it was on the opposite side of the road and facing me.
Direction does not seem to matter.

the cameras for both directions though are facing out the back window though, as thats the direction of the operator. theres no cameras at the front of the van

dolandy

patrickc wrote: »

the cameras for both directions though are facing out the back window though, as thats the direction of the operator. theres no cameras at the front of the van

Thats what I thought. And even the ones with the roof mounted camera appear to be aligned towards the back of the van also. I know they have so much movement but it doesnt look like its something that can spin 180 deg.

Interesting topic I have to admit. Does the person approaching the safety van from the front have an advantage?

may all the safety vans you meet in life be facing you......

Ian

car

sharky86 wrote: »

out the castledermot road again tonight at quarter to 11 in a red colored van with the speed camera stickers on it.........sneaky B******'s

AH feck, I thought they were white vans, I think the postman will be bringing me a letter from them soon. Sneeky feckers, they widen that Castledermot Road and reduce the speed to 80km. Def was going a wee bit faster than 80 past that red van.

byhookorbycrook

so am I in the clear??Got a parking ticket in the post, two disabled bays were full-and no blue cards by the cars in them, so I parked on a side road -left my badge up-and still fined. Thought about giving local garda an earful, but no much point, I suppose.

testicle

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

so am I in the clear??Got a parking ticket in the post, two disabled bays were full-and no blue cards by the cars in them, so I parked on a side road -left my badge up-and still fined. Thought about giving local garda an earful, but no much point, I suppose.

Just because someone else broke the law, doesn't give you carte blanche to do the same!

foggy_lad

SV wrote: »

7km/h over.

some may call this harsh but there should be Zero tolerance for speeding and mobile phone use whilst driving and drink driving!

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

so am I in the clear??Got a parking ticket in the post, two disabled bays were full-and no blue cards by the cars in them, so I parked on a side road -left my badge up-and still fined. Thought about giving local garda an earful, but no much point, I suppose.

your disabled parking permit only allows you to park in specified parking spaces, you should have rang the guards at the time if the cars parked in the disabled spots were parked illegally.

Also a disabled parking permit does not give you free parking although most local authorities and Irish Rail seem to allow free parking for any cars with the permit. most stations now have no free disabled parking spaces due to fraudulant use of permits by able bodied persons.

byhookorbycrook

foggy_lad wrote: »

some may call this harsh but there should be Zero tolerance for speeding and mobile phone use whilst driving and drink driving!

your disabled parking permit only allows you to park in specified parking spaces, you should have rang the guards at the time if the cars parked in the disabled spots were parked illegally.

Also a disabled parking permit does not give you free parking although most local authorities and Irish Rail seem to allow free parking for any cars with the permit. most stations now have no free disabled parking spaces due to fraudulant use of permits by able bodied persons.

Untrue re free parking: "In such spaces allocated by a Local Authorities and Public Bodies extend free parking and it is without a time limit. Where a disabled space is unavailable, a Local Authorities and Public Bodies extend parking of the vehicle transporting the holder in general parking, at parking meters and in disc parking areas without charge and without a time limit."

If I didn't need to go to where I was going,then I wouldn't have gone-and not have had to park there.I accept that I parked somewhere that wasn't ideal but until blue spaces are policed properly , I don't have a choice. (I was about 6 inches onto the yellow lines by the way, not causing a danger or obstruction.)
What are people with disabilities supposed to do?Go home and ring the gardaí and then wait for the people in the spaces to leave and THEN go up again, hoping no-one else parks there at the same time?

Anyway, back on the vans, one outside Paulstown today, just on the Carlow /Kilkenny border.

SIX PACK

Seen the Gatso van on the N9 at Prumpelstown area was about 18:00 i used to always do 100km along that straight stretch but was stuck behind a lorry doing 75km thank God, dont see many speeding as much anymore

patrickc

SIX PACK wrote: »

Seen the Gatso van on the N9 at Prumpelstown area was about 18:00 i used to always do 100km along that straight stretch but was stuck behind a lorry doing 75km thank God, dont see many speeding as much anymore

yoo true, i drove to cork today and back, and didnt speed, you never know where they are on the back roads at all.

questioner

saw them out there that foggy night around the 20th jan, havent got any tickets yet but ive passed them two or three times there since. I drive that road twice a day and they are frequently there. Ive also noticed less people flashing oncoming cars, this may be due to people thinking that flashing is becoming less acceptable behaviour( double entendres welcome) or that peope just dont recognise the vans. Id think the latter.

re people slowing down in general, tailgated today to a serious degree on the way to stradbally at 7.00am, terrible morons on the road at that hour.

got my first two points this week as well. on the phone