Lee v Duddy confirmed for march 12

Rob113

Seemingly this has been confirmed as the opening fight on the Martinez fight undrcard. It's all over twitter this morning.

joepenguin

who has been tweeting it?

joepenguin

The good people at onthegrindboxing.com have informed me its on Dan Rafeals twitter:

http://twitter.com/danrafaelespn

walshb

Well, probably a year or two too late, but they may as well fight each other, as
individually they are going nowhere.

magma69

Nice one. Should be a very entertaining scrap. I think Lee takes this by decision. Duddy's defence is too poor, a mid round stoppage is possible also. Can't see Duddy winning.

Feargal as Luimneach

I'll go to that fight if it's defo on. Where would one get a ticket for that fight card? What websites? How expensive would the tickets be?

Rob113

joepenguin wrote: »

who has been tweeting it?

Sorry Joe. Should have mentioned that in the post. Kevin lole from yahoo sports @kevinl on twitter had it up first then I seen it on Dan Rafaels also. I don't know how to post the links from the phone.

makl

nice one. what a month for irish boxing in fairness.

i think duddy at the moment, but who knows. i presume it's a 10 rounder. i'd prob side with lee over 8.

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

Well, probably a year or two too late, but they may as well fight each other, as
individually they are going nowhere.

Walshy that is the dumbest thing you have posted since your illogical anti-Dunne rants.

Come on FFS!

nacho libre

Lee has to win this in style if he wants to be taken seriously as a future contender for a title shot.

Rob113

It's a much riskier fight for Lee to take. If he loses he is going nowhere. Euro title would be the best he could realistically hope for. If he wins then he will get a bit more recognition stateside as duddy is currently the bigger name over there and he could get some bigger fights as a result. Duddy I feel is finished either way. I don't think we can realistically expect much more from him.

Spazdarn

Vintagekits wrote: »

Walshy that is the dumbest thing you have posted since your illogical anti-Dunne rants.

Come on FFS!

Erm I agree, neither of them look to be going anywhere on a world leveland the best thing any of them can do is put on a great show and hope America takes to them...

Frankie Lee

I reckon it will be a very comfortable win for Lee which may lead nicely to him getting a title shot against Martinez later in the year.

emergingstar

I think lee win's this easy on points. A stoppage will get him noticed though

walshb

Vintagekits wrote: »

Walshy that is the dumbest thing you have posted since your illogical anti-Dunne rants.

Come on FFS!

How's that?

Don't tell me that you seriously believe either of these are
world class and are heading for legitimate world tiltes?

Now, that would be downright illogical.

Take off the Irish vest for a change, and make your mind up then.

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

Don't tell me that you seriously believe either of these are
world class and heading for legititimate world tiltes?

Now, that would be downright illogical.

I think thats exactly whats gonna happen. Especially if Lee wins as he was in contention to fight Martinez right to the end. A boost in profile could mean a shot later in the year.

As for timing its perfect. Both are one fight away from a world title or fight, or obscurity. Fighting each other can only be a good thing as they are past the new prospect phase and duddy isnt yet at the washed up phase.

Good match up.

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

I think thats exactly whats gonna happen. Especially if Lee wins as he was in contention to fight Martinez right to the end. A boost in profile could mean a shot later in the year.

As for timing its perfect. Both are one fight away from a world title or fight, or obscurity. Fighting each other can only be a good thing as they are past the new prospect phase and duddy isnt yet at the washed up phase.

Good match up.

Getting a shot isn't my point. Plenty of very ordinary fighters have gotten title shots. Lee and Duddy are two fighters that any decent world champ would take on....

Jayob10

walshb wrote: »

How's that?

Don't tell me that you seriously believe either of these are
world class and are heading for legitimate world tiltes?

Now, that would be downright illogical.

Take off the Irish vest for a change, and make your mind up then.

Duddy is going nowhere fair enough. Lee has a bit of time on his side and in fairness does have some potential. He has stamina issues he needs to address though, and needs to address them quickly.

paky

lee is gona get his head boxed in. he doesnt have the power to beat duddy. duddy will floor him

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

Getting a shot isn't my point? Plenty of very ordinary fighters have gotten title shots. Lee and Duddy are two fighters that any decent world champ would take on....

Sorry thought you meant getting a shot as opposed to winning it. I dont give either much of a chance at the moment. Its an awful pity Duddys shot at 154 never happened.

Martinez is a very good champ and it will take a top top fighter to take his titles off him. He is almost on his own at 160.

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

Sorry thought you meant getting a shot as opposed to winning it. I dont give either much of a chance at the moment. Its an awful pity Duddys shot at 154 never happened.

Martinez is a very good champ and it will take a top top fighter to take his titles off him. He is almost on his own at 160.

No bother....

I just do not think either was ever world class. Respect both, but seriously, world class? No no no! And a good notch or two below!

Who has Lee ever beaten that would be called world class? Duddy, who has he beaten?

Spazdarn

Duddy is shot, and as far as his profile goes he's doesn't have enough behind him to legitimately rise to the top.

Lee has youth on his side, but his last couple of fights (most of which I've seen in person might I add) have been terribly one sided or unconvincing (considering the opposition)

The best way this goes down is Andy stops him and impresses, he'll gain exposure and get noticed by the main eventers. It's HBO too, so large audience...

If Duddy wins it's like a lose-lose almost, he won't gain much from the win, and Lee's career with be in tatters.

maxxie

Lee wont lose this if his preparations are spot on and he listens to Steward!

Duddy is one dimensional and fairly tailor made for a rangy boxer like lee.

NikNak8

This is huge, Hope Lee wins and lives up to [EMAIL="Manny@s"]Manny's[/EMAIL] hype! Think people are very quick to write off Duddy though. Didn't he loose his last fight by decision against the son of a legend in hs home town? Still think he is a good fighter and could give anyone a good fight. This will be Lee's first big test and is huge for Irish boxing as both these guys have been hyped to no end. Wonder is the Mackiln V the winner offer still on the table? Roll on March!

joepenguin

People have gotten world title shots for much less than beating a fighter of Andy Lees calibre and ranking. I think this is a case of people thinking Duddy was more than he was or really underestimating him now.
He's declined a tad maybe but thats to be expected due to his style, he is not shot though, he still has something to offer.

themandan6611

Lee to jab, jab & then jab some more for the first 1-8 rds forcing a late stoppage, he may even cut Duddy to pieces.

Duddy is too one dimensional, battle weary and is lacking power to take Lee out - Duddy can only win by ko imo and I can't see it happening.

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

How's that?

Don't tell me that you seriously believe either of these are
world class and are heading for legitimate world tiltes?

Now, that would be downright illogical.

Take off the Irish vest for a change, and make your mind up then.

Thats both lazy and insulting.

Do I have my "green vest" on when I say that Rigo will stop Casey inside 8 rounds or the Bute will beat Magee?

Get a grip Bren!

I think Duddy is cooked and needs a fork stuck in him. Lee is just the man to do it.

Lee is world class and is on his way to a title. He was very close to securing a shot against Martinez, not a wise move at the moment but it shows that he is in the reckoning.

The middleweight division isnt the strongest at the moment and Lee can take advantage of that.

He has a profile of some sort in Germany and has more than a sporting chance against Felix Sturm, Sebastian Sylvester, Gennady Golovkin in my opinion.

I think you are doing Lee a disservice.

Benny Lava

A couple of years late but it should be entertaining nonetheless.

Lee UD.

Spazdarn

NikNak8 wrote: »

This is huge, Hope Lee wins and lives up to [EMAIL="Manny@s"]Manny's[/EMAIL] hype! Think people are very quick to write off Duddy though. Didn't he loose his last fight by decision against the son of a legend in hs home town? Still think he is a good fighter and could give anyone a good fight. This will be Lee's first big test and is huge for Irish boxing as both these guys have been hyped to no end. Wonder is the Mackiln V the winner offer still on the table? Roll on March!

Chavez Jr is on borrowed time also, he's one of the greatest cherry pickers you'll ever find... but he was still leaps and bounds better than Duddy.

L.T.P.

I reckon Duddy will be far too strong for Lee, Duddy to win by stoppage.

walshb

Vintage, you think Lee is world class? Fair enough. I would say 'let him prove it,' because from day 1 until now I have seen nothing from him to prove it.
He has fought nobody and beaten nobody. Lets see the proof first.....

Also, how is me thinking tha Lee is NOT world class, doing Lee a disservice?

Like I said, Lee wants me or anyone else to rate him as world class, then
go prove it first, for chrissake....

What next? Carl Frampton is world class?

Spazdarn

I don't understand how anyone can consider Andy Lee world class. He hasn't fought or let alone beaten anyone who is world class.

I was going to go to the bother of copying and pasting his previous fights from boxrec, but I really don't think that is necessary, everyone knows he's been fighting nobodies.

I'm not saying he doesn't have ability, he obviously does, but he gases out pretty quickly, and against a B class fighter he'll find himself in trouble.

He'll never be world class in my eyes till he starts fighting and beating world class.

Martinez only looked at him as a relatively big money, low risk fight.

nacho libre

Either Steward sees Lee as a surrogate son or he sees something in Lee that his critics don't. The real problem for Lee is he doesn't have the heavy hands to compensate for his stamina issues. As we saw with Jermaine Taylor, if you have a problem with stamina, it's not easily resolved, and you'll be exposed against decent opposition because of it. Well, some might say Lee has already been exposed by less than decent opposition due to it.

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

Vintage, you think Lee is world class? Fair enough. I would say 'let him prove it,' because from day 1 until now I have seen nothing from him to prove it.
He has fought nobody and beaten nobody. Lets see the proof first.....

Also, how is me thinking tha Lee is NOT world class, doing Lee a disservice?

Like I said, Lee wants me or anyone else to rate him as world class, then
go prove it first, for chrissake....

What next? Carl Frampton is world class?

Woah woah woah!!!

You are changing the subject.

A fair argument can be made that Lee that isnt world class. I would have him fringe world class - definately in my top 15.

What you said was that Lee was going nowhere with his career. Thats what I disagree with.

My issue was with you saying that his career was going nowhere.

He was on the subs bench for the Kelly Pavlik - Sergio Gabriel Martinez. It was suspected that Pavlik could have pulled out and Lee was lined up and prepped as the replacement.

He also came within a whisker of fighting Martinez for his world title on this card.

For someone whos career is "is going nowhere" he certainly seems to be getting linked with decent opportunities.

Feargal as Luimneach

Why is Lee/Duddy and Martinez/dzinziruk fight card on in an Indian Reservation in the middle of nowhere???. It's 2.5 hours drive from New York. The casino looks like a kip.
Do they not want people to go to the show? Surely the show would fill out MSG?

walshb

Lee to date, has went nowhere....You are looking into the future, hoping. Facts are, from day 1 till now, he has done NOTHING! End Of!

Will he get a world title shot? Who knows. Point is, so far he has done nothing of note....

That is not to say that he has NO career. Just saying that his career IMO is not that
of a world class boxer, nor approaching!

joepenguin

The duddy fight will be telling if he is world class or not. Duddy may not be the slickest operator but if you go into the ring against him with piss poor stamina and very little punching power than he will take you out in the later rounds.

siochain

walshb wrote: »

Well, probably a year or two too late, but they may as well fight each other, as
individually they are going nowhere.

Yip I agree, your thinking with your head and not your heart.
Should be a good fight all the same, if lee gets into a scrap with duddy, duddy wins it.

Who even wins may get a title shot but will be just a just cannon fodder....

Spazdarn

I don't want to be cruel but fringe of world class = European level. Which is fair enough considering he's in and around the level of Macklin and Barker.

NikNak8

I agree, I think the winner will go on to fight Macklin and then will deserve a title fight. I think you are being a bit harsh on Duddy, I would be slow to write him off yet. Hope Lee wins but I'm a bit nervous that it will turn into a scrap!

Spazdarn

Yeah seeing him in the last few rounds of the Belghecham had me worried...

jclally

Vintagekits wrote: »

Thats both lazy and insulting.

Lee is world class and is on his way to a title. He was very close to securing a shot against Martinez, not a wise move at the moment but it

What do you base that on? He has fought absolutely NO ONE, and has been in trouble occasionally even then. Maybe he could be, but we won't find out as long as he keeps fighting nobodies on Klitschko undercards.
He must be approaching what, 25 fights? And the only name I can recall him fighting was Brian Vera, which he lost. Beating Duddy will show us nothing either... how does a win over someone beaten by the likes of Billy Lyell put you any closer to a world title?

If Steward has so much faith in him, why hasn't he been put in with someone in the top 10 in the world, or even a name fighter coming to the end of the road to get decent exposure (e.g. Khan v Barrera)

NikNak8

Is this fight defo happening? Has there been an official announcement yet?

JacksonHeightsOwn

ill be blatantly honest and frank

their both ****e, but it'll be an entertaining fight

Lee by decision, Duddys rocky defense was never going to win him world titles, or fights against competent boxers.

a fit Macklin would spark the two of them in one night!

deisedelight

have no idea why there putting this fight in such a **** venue.
currently living in toronto and going to go to this fight.
anyone know when tickets will be on sale etc ?

Daroxtar

I think it could be a great fight. You dont need great boxers to make a great fight. Duddy can put a lot of pressure on lee, lee doesnt like fighting someone who's in his face the whole time. Lee definately has the better skills but duddy will be the one who know's its "Die dog or sh!t the licence" time and he'll be giving it absolutely everything he has. I'm looking forward and hoping its a good one.

Vintagekits

Old v New Ireland now inked!!

http://boxing-ireland.com/20110112_andy_lee_john_duddy_on_14.html

boxer.fan

This is not as straight forward as people would think for Andy Lee. His past few opponents have been over the hill / over defensive / non aggressive. No doubt he will stick & move all night long but John Duddy is as tough & durable as they come & he hits back! I predict a points win for a cut up Duddy.

Vintagekits

Andy Lee and John Duddy enter into an 'Irish Civil War'

http://boxing-ireland.com/20110113_andy_lee_john_duddy_war_2.html

walshb

As much as I would enjoy seeing the fight, what changes for either man after this? A step back for both really. One beats the other, and all it is is a case of an ordinary fighter beating another ordinary fighter.

Steward really is hyping up this. A lot of nonsense from him. It's a battle between two avearge fighters.

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

As much as I would enjoy seeing the fight, what changes for either man after this? A step back for both really. One beats the other, and all it is is a case of an ordinary fighter beating another ordinary fighter.

Steward really is hyping up this. A lot of nonsense from him. It's a battle between two avearge fighters.

gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!