a science degree in ucd..... then...

brownlad

into medicine:D.... i was thinking i am not going to get the points for medicine so if i did science in ucd the went for a graduate entry to medicine after that?? what do you people think.... and i want to know how long would graduate entry to medicine take??

brownlad

anybody???????????????????????????????????

2Scoops

You have 5 months to prepare and ace the LC/HPAT - there is no easier route than that. More than enough time. If you fail, repeat. Then you have a year and 5 months! Doing a 4 year degree as a prelude to med is just silly.

Nonoperational

I did pharmacy first and then got in through the Gamsat and am now doing medicine. Pharmacy was a fantastic prep although if I could have gone straight in I would have.

Serious advantages now though. Nothing is alien to me except for the clinical examination. My knowledge of drugs and pharmacology is a massive massive help and I have built up a nice chunk of confidence and communication skills etc working in the real world for a year or so. I also managed to save a bit so I could pay my fees for the first year and I do a few hours a week part time work and it covers my weekly spending money and more. Every cloud has it's silver lining! If the LC and HPAT doesn't work out it's not the end of the world...

brownlad

2Scoops wrote: »

You have 5 months to prepare and ace the LC/HPAT - there is no easier route than that. More than enough time. If you fail, repeat. Then you have a year and 5 months! Doing a 4 year degree as a prelude to med is just silly.

thanks ....but i know nothing of the hpat...could you tell me what it entails??

brownlad

gpf101 wrote: »

I did pharmacy first and then got in through the Gamsat and am now doing medicine. Pharmacy was a fantastic prep although if I could have gone straight in I would have.

Serious advantages now though. Nothing is alien to me except for the clinical examination. My knowledge of drugs and pharmacology is a massive massive help and I have built up a nice chunk of confidence and communication skills etc working in the real world for a year or so. I also managed to save a bit so I could pay my fees for the first year and I do a few hours a week part time work and it covers my weekly spending money and more. Every cloud has it's silver lining! If the LC and HPAT doesn't work out it's not the end of the world...

how much are your fees at the moment??

Biologic

brownlad wrote: »

could you tell me what it entails??

Ah come on. Do you actually want to do medicine or is this a fleeting thought?
HPAT is an apptitude test you will have to pass to get in from LC. GAMSAT is an (arguably more difficult) apptitude test you will have to pass if you want to go in as a graduate. If you want it, go for it now and save yourself the 4 years. The graduate route won't work out much easier than the LC.

2Scoops

brownlad wrote: »

thanks ....but i know nothing of the hpat...could you tell me what it entails??

Here is their website. You should get to grips with this test before you take it. You really need to be prepared - consult your guidance counsellor or whatever they have skool these days.
http://www.hpat-ireland.acer.edu.au/

Nonoperational

The fees are unpleasant. Another reason why it's probably better go straight in. Our fees are about 13k a year for 4 years.

brownlad

Biologic wrote: »

Ah come on. Do you actually want to do medicine or is this a fleeting thought?
HPAT is an apptitude test you will have to pass to get in from LC. GAMSAT is an (arguably more difficult) apptitude test you will have to pass if you want to go in as a graduate. If you want it, go for it now and save yourself the 4 years. The graduate route won't work out much easier than the LC.

thank you...like i do know what the hpat is...but not like what the questions are like if u get me ...is it maths or just logical tests or what ??

2Scoops wrote: »

Here is their website. You should get to grips with this test before you take it. You really need to be prepared - consult your guidance counsellor or whatever they have skool these days.
http://www.hpat-ireland.acer.edu.au/

thanks ...are there past papers???

Biologic

The sample papers are on the link 2scoops gave you. Otherwise google can do it for you... http://tinyurl.com/2adx4mc

rbrbrb

Doing a 4 yr degree as a prelude to med is not silly. Universities and this year hospitals much prefer graduates. Having said that if you can get in straight away, why not?? Problem with LC is you do it when you're 18 - still way too immature for most people to bother too hard.

2Scoops

rbrbrb wrote: »

Doing a 4 yr degree as a prelude to med is not silly. Universities and this year hospitals much prefer graduates. Having said that if you can get in straight away, why not?? Problem with LC is you do it when you're 18 - still way too immature for most people to bother too hard.

What I meant was that LC/HPAT is the 'easiest' way to get into med. I actually agree that graduate entry, as in the US, is the best model of med school education.

treehouse2

i would just love to know why you are even considering Medicine

you must be pretty determined

Biologic

rbrbrb wrote: »

Universities and this year hospitals much prefer graduates.

Where are you getting this from? I'm doing graduate med and would be interrested to know how the first bunch of grads are getting on.

rbrbrb

It's the feedback coming from lecturers and consultants. Obviously I can't give proof because no official document is going to say they prefer grads and it's too early for any studies to be done but take from it what you will. Ucd are planning to go 50/50 grad/undergrad , partly for money but also partly because grads are way more focused.

jmn89

Brownlad are you in fifth or sixth year?

The answers to all of the questions you've asked are remarkably easy to find in prospectuses (which you should have) and online on the relevant websites with little effort. That info is most likely to be accurate.

Wrt consultants preferring graduates? pfft... depends on the consultant of course. I'm in TCD in an undergrad course but we have quite a few mature/postgrad students in our class (for the five year course) and little if any distinction is made. Depends entirely on the individual.

brownlad

im in 6th year .... and i think i might go for science in ucd first ... then grad med....sound for the replies feens

QueenOfLeon

For someone who has to have applied for the HPAT by the 20th of January, and for the CAO by the beginning of February, you don't seem to have done all that much research into the process. Did you consider the hpat/lc route or just assume you'll get into graduate medicine easily?

imported_guy

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

For someone who has to have applied for the HPAT by the 20th of January, and for the CAO by the beginning of February, you don't seem to have done all that much research into the process. Did you consider the hpat/lc route or just assume you'll get into graduate medicine easily?

this.... graduate entry is hardcore work, it requires way more knowledge for the tests than whats covered in the LC (atleast biology/chemistry anyway)

brownlad

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

For someone who has to have applied for the HPAT by the 20th of January, and for the CAO by the beginning of February, you don't seem to have done all that much research into the process. Did you consider the hpat/lc route or just assume you'll get into graduate medicine easily?

um i did think about it...but i was told by my guidance counselor that having a science degree to prelude medicine would be a pretty wise thing to do...cause id have two related degrees under my belt...making me alot more "hire able" ...is what he said anyway......

Biologic

I think she's talking nonsense to be honest. That's the route I've gone down but I certainly don't expect to be more 'hire-able' than the rest of the medical students in my class. The graduate route will be as difficult to get into, only at that stage you may have a degree you didn't want and be stuck with it if you don't get medicine. You should consider going for the points straight away, medicine will be tougher than the LC.

jmn89

brownlad wrote: »

um i did think about it...but i was told by my guidance counselor that having a science degree to prelude medicine would be a pretty wise thing to do...cause id have two related degrees under my belt...making me alot more "hire able" ...is what he said anyway......

Hang on... so your guidance counsellor advised you not to take the HPAT and to go with the graduate medicine route? That's bizarre! The LC route must be by far the most simple and will at least have you out of college in your early 20s...

imported_guy

Biologic wrote: »

I think she's talking nonsense to be honest. That's the route I've gone down but I certainly don't expect to be more 'hire-able' than the rest of the medical students in my class. The graduate route will be as difficult to get into, only at that stage you may have a degree you didn't want and be stuck with it if you don't get medicine. You should consider going for the points straight away, medicine will be tougher than the LC.

biologic speaks sense, another way to look at it is someone would rather hire a 25 year old than a 35 year old for a training scheme, since they would work 10 years extra as a consultant before retiring, and thats money well spent for the HSE

QueenOfLeon

brownlad wrote: »

um i did think about it...but i was told by my guidance counselor that having a science degree to prelude medicine would be a pretty wise thing to do...cause id have two related degrees under my belt...making me alot more "hire able" ...is what he said anyway......

A doctor with a science degree will not be more employable since all the important science modules are covered in the medicine course anyway. Its a longer, more expensive and arguably more difficult pathway to take.

Chunky Monkey

I started the natural sciences course in TCD, it was a helluva a lot harder than anything I've encountered in my two and half years of medicine.

I don't know how the science degree works in UCD but, if you insist on going the graduate route, you should try and do something that will allow you to graduate with a degree that will make you stand out eg neuroscience etc (which you can go into in your last two years with the TCD science degree).

You have another option, if you are willing to take a gap year, you could apply to UCAS in October.

Zooropa90

I'm planning on doing the same. I didn't really want to know what I wanted to do after leaving school, so I did science first.

I'm planning on taking the test next year (or maybe the year after)
I heard it's first year chemistry and biology at college level. I think I'm ok for biology, but for chemistry I've started looking over the 'chemistry for dummies' book. Does anyone know if it's everything in that book?
It says at the start first semester organic chemistry, I done an introduction to organic chemistry in college but there is alot more in the book.
Also, should I study from both 'organic chemistry I' AND 'organic chemistry II'?
Thanks,

Nulzy

gpf101 wrote: »

I did pharmacy first and then got in through the Gamsat and am now doing medicine. Pharmacy was a fantastic prep although if I could have gone straight in I would have.

Serious advantages now though. Nothing is alien to me except for the clinical examination. My knowledge of drugs and pharmacology is a massive massive help and I have built up a nice chunk of confidence and communication skills etc working in the real world for a year or so. I also managed to save a bit so I could pay my fees for the first year and I do a few hours a week part time work and it covers my weekly spending money and more. Every cloud has it's silver lining! If the LC and HPAT doesn't work out it's not the end of the world...

So sorry to steer the thread away, but I am a repeat student, received my hpat score Monday and med is looking doubtful, again.:( Just wondering where did you study Pharmacy? Finding it very difficult to find info on people's opinions of the different colleges, living in Cork, I am much closer to UCC but have heard nothing but negative views about the course there and how one is thrown into the deep end..people have told me to consider TCD instead, it is better run?
Tbh, I am entering into Pharmacy to obtain a solid grounding with the intention of applying for graduate Med (praying that I can afford the fees),as it is really all I want to do, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

KizzyMonster

I've just finished science in Trinity and want to go to grad medicine now (I didn't get the points in the LC and it was before the hpat)....
The GAMSAT is a lot harder than you seem to think: 1500 applicants and only around 200 places. Plus you're competing with graduates from courses like pharmacy or human health and disease which outs you at a disadvantage...

kapow

Nulzy wrote: »

Tbh, I am entering into Pharmacy to obtain a solid grounding with the intention of applying for graduate Med (praying that I can afford the fees),as it is really all I want to do, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Well if you want to get into Gradmed as soon as possible you'd be better off choosing a shorter/easier degree to get a 2.1 degree in. Pharmacy, physics, law etc. may be quite tough to get such a result in.

KizzyMonster wrote: »

The GAMSAT is a lot harder than you seem to think: 1500 applicants and only around 200 places. Plus you're competing with graduates from courses like pharmacy or human health and disease which outs you at a disadvantage...

The GAMSAT is hard but is there are many harder exams (including the L.C). I'd guess that the majority of applicants study for about 3-4 months for a few hours each day. In addition 50% of the exam has nothing to do with science, and the vast majority of questions in Section III can be answered without any prior knowledge. It is a test of logical reasoning and lateral thinking, not regurgitating up information; so coming from a science or pharmacy background will definitely not guarantee you a high score. People like Nulzy should not be discouraged by such posts and if you are sure that it is really what you want to do, go for it!

I'd also question that figure of 1500 applicants and 200 places. I think it was more like 680 applicants and 227 places (quoted from elsewhere). Therefore, about 1 in 3-4 will be accepted.

Nulzy

kapow wrote: »

Well if you want to get into Gradmed as soon as possible you'd be better off choosing a shorter/easier degree to get a 2.1 degree in. Pharmacy, physics, law etc. may be quite tough to get such a result in.

Thanks for the advice, still think I'll go with Pharm..I'd be happier with this degree if I don't get into grad med...and if I was stuck with a Science degree I'd really have to go and do further study after the 4 years anyway. I really think a pharmacy degree would help too if I did achieve a place in grad med, as I'd have studied biochemistry, physiology etc and would obtain a broader view which would prob help me as a doctor. And I'm prepared to work my ass off to ensure a 2.1. Fingers crossed I'm making the right decisions anyway :P

kate.m

I'm about to start science after not getting medicine. Got 169 in hpat and 6a2s in the lc.

I WISH I had read this before my lc as I would have looked into pharmacy, I didn't and even though I would have got rcsi am stuck doing science. Guidance councillor didn't mention it at all....

Is science really not good to have before doing grad. Med? I'd be interested in genetics, pharmacology or neuroscience for 3rd year, anything medical related at all....is it a bad decision?

Sorry for dragging this up..

Sid_Justice

Have you considered repeating Kate, it will really save you a lot of time and energy especially as you didn't actually want to do the alternative undergrad in the first place.

Science is a great background for Medicine, especially the subjects you've mentioned.

kate.m

Parents don't want me to repeat. It's financial I tink, like repeating would cost quite a bit (even if I don't get grinds...) and I've already paid my registration fees, did during september, so I'd loose 2000 and my parents would be so mad, not like they can just throw that away. I would repeat but not an option. I might give the hpat a shot but I know I've not really got a shot. Need an amazing score.

So science isnt a bad move? I know I'm wasting 4 years, and I've been told the first 2 years of science are awful because you only get interested in 3rd and 4th year....I transferred to science this week from an arts degree (after my hpat score realised it wouldn't happen and for some strange reason decide I liked languages...wrong)...so I start science next week.

I know you've risked losing €2000 and will be liable for fees for next year(but only half of them, if you withdraw between now and 31st Jan 2012). It would be worth it in the long run if you withdraw now and repeat the LC and HPAT and get the points for undergrad Med next year, if it's what you 100% really want to do. You did a BRILLIANT LC, well done on that !!
If you're very hung up on the financial implications, what you've lost now is NOTHING compared to what you will have to pay if you continue in your BSc and go on to do GRADMED. Think of all the money you'll spend during the 4 years of your science degree, then if you apply for GradMed after that, you'll have to pay over €13,000 (that's just for this year, and this fee is subsidised, so it will likely be even higher by the time you graduate) a year for four years, plus living expenses after that. Most people have to take out a €100k loan to do it. It's up to you though, and the best of luck

imported_guy

Deleted User wrote: »

Think of all the money you'll spend during the 4 years of your science degree, then if you apply for GradMed after that, you'll have to pay over €13,000 (that's just for this year, and this fee is subsidised, so it will likely be even higher by the time you graduate) a year for four years, plus living expenses after that. Most people have to take out a €100k loan to do it. It's up to you though, and the best of luck

i thought the fees was closer to 16,000?

http://www.rcsi.ie/index.jsp?p=112&n=202&a=746#Fees

TOTAL 15940

Yeah (dyscalculia got the better of me).
http://www.ucd.ie/registry/adminservices/fees/undergraduate2011.htm
Close to €14k for UCD GEM.

I was aiming to get Kate to think about financial implications of going the GEM route versus repeating to get the points and getting in as an undergrad next year.

imported_guy

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah (dyscalculia got the better of me).
http://www.ucd.ie/registry/adminservices/fees/undergraduate2011.htm
Close to €14k for UCD GEM.

I was aiming to get Kate to think about financial implications of going the GEM route versus repeating to get the points and getting in as an undergrad next year.

wonder if that includes the reg fee, it doesnt include the student centre levy of 158 or what ever it is probably, and certainly doesnt include the health screening as there is a foot note there which is 225 euro, so even UCD is over 14k

kate.m

Well if I pull put before the 31st of October I think I can still pay 2000 next year.

I want to repeat, I would. Even though I'd end up doing OL maths and new Irish course ect. But my parents can't afford it. So I honestly don't have a choice. My mother hopes I'll just like science or become a teacher or something. I've explained the fees to her for grad med and everything. And I don't want to guilt trip her into it...I had all this research done in 5th year...I know that by 22 or whatever age I am I'll have killed myself to get a 2.1 (if I even can...) and that then I'll be looking at being in debt for god knows how many years. My parents figure it probably wont be their problem.

My lc was really average for med people. I hate how friends of mine who got 3a1s and 3b1s did better points wise even though I got more as! Also my guidance coucellor told my parents that I wouldn't be likely to go up....could just as easy go down.

Maybe I'll convince them soon...I'll see. If I hate science they might feel sorry for me.

Sid_Justice

I'm not trying to pretend to be a guidance councellor. I don't know much abot the HPAT but if you got 6 H A2s you'd almost definitely get a couple of A1s on a repeat.

If you had arts degree as your second choice, I have to be suspicious of the advice you've got thus far.

What do you want to be? ignore what your parents want you to be. It sounds like you're a bit young, you need to be looking after your own affairs. If you want to do medicine, get into it now and save yourself a lot of expense later.

If you still want to go the grad route, a science degree will be helpful, make sure to do as many biomedical topcis and try and avoid doing the ecology/evolutionary biological stuff (botany, zoology, ecology etc.) and stuff like geology/physics etc.

Try and do biochem, genetics, micro, anatomy, physiology, cell biology etc.

QueenOfLeon

If you're going to stay in Science for this year, but you still want medicine, I would advise you to reapply for the HPAT and the CAO. At least if you don't get any better in the HPAT you won't have wasted a year.

kate.m

I've never been influenced by my parents, my mother wants me to give up on medicine, doesn't want me to repeat.

Arts want my second choice, it was like my 8th....I had other science courses above it, but I didn't get the points. 545 and so on.

My guidance councillor told me to consider ther options, that maybe I would like something else. So I had one general course in tcd down. With my hpat score I knew I wouldn't get in anyway...

I want to repeat but can't. Im determined to do grad med because I can't do undergrad, I will retry the hpat. Have nothing to lose....

I've looked up the modules for science, you decide in 3rd and 4th year. For first year, it's biology chemistry, maths, then there's an extra choice.

wayhey

kate.m wrote: »

I've never been influenced by my parents, my mother wants me to give up on medicine, doesn't want me to repeat.

I want to repeat but can't. Im determined to do grad med because I can't do undergrad, I will retry the hpat. Have nothing to lose....

Kate, you're statements are contradictory. I don't know where you're from, but you have to ask yourself what you want to do with your life.

This time last year I was in your shoes. I was offered Science but I did not accept and I decided to repeat. Now I'm in Medicine. It was bloody hard but I knew that I did not want to do anything else with my life. Even though it's early days I can get through the harder stuff because I actually like what I'm studying.

I have to ask, do you want to do a Science degree? It will be a lot harder to motivate yourself over 4 years than 9 months if you don't like the degree. Better to drop out now than later. Just realise that these very early weeks are a poor representation of any degree really.

Try to speak to older students to see what you'll be studying later. You never know, you might actually end up loving your course if you know more about what's coming!

Also, on the person that pointed out that it's approximately €15k per year. Graduate programmes can have a shorter summer. I think in RCSI they have only 3-4 weeks off at the summer. It's extremely intensive. I know a woman doing it up there and she found 1st Year extremely tough, and it was near impossible for her to hold down a job. She has to pay for accommodation and living expenses as well so I'd well believe that her loans could approach €100k, living in Dublin.

Kate, you say that it's not financially viable to repeat your Leaving Cert. I know the new courses make everything difficult. But it is what it is, and I still think that it would be easier to repeat your Leaving Cert, even for 2 years, and do a course later that you would actually like to. There are lots of excellent public schools that take repeat students across the country.

You are the one that will have to live with the consequences of your degree.

foreverandever

I agree with the posters above, i know two grand might seem like alot now but compared to graduate entry med it's nothing. And you can always pay your parents back once you qualify for this year. Did you get any of your papers rechecked? If you repeated the hpat and were brought up in a paper or two you might get into med easier than you thought. I will say you need to be sure it's medicine you want, it's going to be a long eight years with alot of debt after it so you need to really want it and be sure.

imported_guy

wayhey wrote: »

Also, on the person that pointed out that it's approximately €15k per year. Graduate programmes can have a shorter summer. I think in RCSI they have only 3-4 weeks off at the summer. It's extremely intensive.

this is false, atleast in UCD they get full summer holidays in first year of the graduate program, they are from mid may until mid september. In 2nd year, they have an extended module which carries into about june, but they still get about 10 weeks of summer holidays, the year 3 and 4 are same summer holidays as undergraduate med year 4/5 or 5/6 depending on which undergrad course you look at (5 vs 6 year)

a course is shorter doesnt mean its more intensive, it just has less in it, i.e. the amount of electives etc.

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/w_sm_web_inf_viewer_banner.show_major?p_term_code=201100&p_cao_code=DN401&p_major_code=MDS9

vs

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/w_sm_web_inf_viewer_banner.show_major?p_term_code=201100&p_cao_code=DN400&p_major_code=MDS2&p_cao_code=DN400&p_website_mode=PROSPECTIVE&p_show_prog_link=Y&p_crumb=%3CA%20href%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fsisweb.ucd.ie%2Fusis%2Fw_sm_web_inf_viewer_banner.program_list%3Fp_website_mode%3DPROSPECTIVE%26p_term_code%3D201100%22%3E%20Degrees%20by%20CAO%20Code%3C%2FA%3E

im just doing UCD as an example, other med schools may as well have less or no summer holidays.

Sid_Justice

imported_guy wrote: »

this is false, atleast in UCD they get full summer holidays in first year of the graduate program, they are from mid may until mid september. In 2nd year, they have an extended module which carries into about june, but they still get about 10 weeks of summer holidays, the year 3 and 4 are same summer holidays as undergraduate med year 4/5 or 5/6 depending on which undergrad course you look at (5 vs 6 year)

a course is shorter doesnt mean its more intensive, it just has less in it, i.e. the amount of electives etc.

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/w_sm_web_inf_viewer_banner.show_major?p_term_code=201100&p_cao_code=DN401&p_major_code=MDS9

vs

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/w_sm_web_inf_viewer_banner.show_major?p_term_code=201100&p_cao_code=DN400&p_major_code=MDS2&p_cao_code=DN400&p_website_mode=PROSPECTIVE&p_show_prog_link=Y&p_crumb=%3CA%20href%3D%22https%3A%2F%2Fsisweb.ucd.ie%2Fusis%2Fw_sm_web_inf_viewer_banner.program_list%3Fp_website_mode%3DPROSPECTIVE%26p_term_code%3D201100%22%3E%20Degrees%20by%20CAO%20Code%3C%2FA%3E

im just doing UCD as an example, other med schools may as well have less or no summer holidays.

did you read the post?

Graduate programmes can have a shorter summer. I think in RCSI they have only 3-4 weeks off at the summer. It's extremely intensive.

this is false, atleast in UCD they get full summer holidays in first year of the graduate program, they are from mid may until mid september. In 2nd year, they have an extended module which carries into about june, but they still get about 10 weeks of summer holidays, the year 3 and 4 are same summer holidays as undergraduate med year 4/5 or 5/6 depending on which undergrad course you look at (5 vs 6 year)

Not only that, you contradict yourself, in admitting UCD DO have shorter summers from 2nd year on.

A shorter course is more intensive, as anything from the modules they do not take they are supposed to learn themselves.

Why did you go to the trouble of posting that?

imported_guy

Sid_Justice wrote: »

did you read the post?





Not only that, you contradict yourself, in admitting UCD DO have shorter summers from 2nd year on.

A shorter course is more intensive, as anything from the modules they do not take they are supposed to learn themselves.

Why did you go to the trouble of posting that?

why did you go to the trouble of posting this?

where did i say from 2nd year on? I said the 2nd year has an extra module in june, and that the 3rd and 4th year is the same as the undergrad.

and it IS shorter, did you even look at the links? the undergraduate has horizon electives (2 worth 10 credits in 1st year) graduate has 1 in first year (and its not a "horizon" elective), hence the course has less in it.

even a quick tally of total credits of both courses will sum it up for you 270 for graduate vs 360 for the undergraduate

for reference sake a normal 4 year honours degree is worth 240 credits, so on that level the graduate course is only a tiny bit more intensive than a normal degree (about one semester's worth), and the undergraduate course has about a year's worth of extra credits and then some.

kate.m

thanks for all the information, graduate entry would have to be pretty intensive, especially as its 4 years :-/

I've looked into repeating...trying to figure it out in my head, looked into schools where I could at least sit the LC exam - (wouldn't be able to go back to my old school)

Wouldn't do Project maths, it seems so different...only have a few months to learn all of it, HL irish has kind of demolished paper 2...I would probably drop music as I'd have to pay for music lessons for another year....having 6 HL subjects instead of 8 seems to be the ideal thing.

I'll try one week of science, I've already talked to 3rd and 4th years, they all say the degree only gets good in the latter years because thats when you pick your moderatorship (sp)...and the maths is supposed to be really hard, and I'm 2 weeks late starting it properly (freshers week was all introductions -or so I've been told)

I didn't want to do a science degree, but I like biology and chemistry. It's not what I set out to do, but nevertheless I don't think i'd hate it...(I hope..)

QueenOfLeon

kate.m wrote: »

Wouldn't do Project maths, it seems so different...only have a few months to learn all of it, HL irish has kind of demolished paper 2...I would probably drop music as I'd have to pay for music lessons for another year....having 6 HL subjects instead of 8 seems to be the ideal thing.

For medicine, you have to get your requirements AND your points in the same sitting, ie, you need to sit English, Irish, Maths, and all the other university requirements if you repeat.