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good make of ball cock??

  • 07-01-2011 2:07pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭


    hi guys looking for rec for a good make of ball cock for the button type cistern theresa a lot of rubbish out there


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    MT Agencies do an aquasave. They are based in finglas. If you phone them they will give you a nearest agent.

    Then there is Wirquin. A couple of people do these however i know they are available from excel industries in coolmine. If you phone them they will also give you the nearest agent.

    My personal feeling however is if you can get someone to supply you a ball and lift arm short enough it works better than the new fandangled ones because dirt in the tank fooks up the new ones....

    Dont ever ever use blue loos... They are lethal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 roc1980


    hi guys looking for rec for a good make of ball cock for the button type cistern theresa a lot of rubbish out there
    ive never had a problem with the fluidmasters but dont get a torbec there rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    roc1980 wrote: »
    ive never had a problem with the fluidmasters but dont get a torbec there rubbish

    Fluidmaster is good and Torbec is good. Anyproblems with good ones is down to poor plumbers.

    Torbeck is actually a brand name like hoover. Its bandied around as a general name. The biggest problem i encounterd with torbeck is dirt in the line and plumbers breaking the float. This happens with them all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 roc1980


    Fluidmaster is good and Torbec is good. Anyproblems with good ones is down to poor plumbers.

    Torbeck is actually a brand name like hoover. Its bandied around as a general name. The biggest problem i encounterd with torbeck is dirt in the line and plumbers breaking the float. This happens with them all.

    yes the problem with the torbecs is dirt cause the hole is to small were the pin is,i personally find that when ive put them in ive been called back to fix them because of this problem,i dont think its fair on the customer to pay for me to come out and clear dirt out of it my point is there is alot more maintence on these than say a fluidmaster,i dont think this is down to poor plumbing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    roc1980 wrote: »
    yes the problem with the torbecs is dirt cause the hole is to small were the pin is,i personally find that when ive put them in ive been called back to fix them because of this problem,i dont think its fair on the customer to pay for me to come out and clear dirt out of it my point is there is alot more maintence on these than say a fluidmaster,i dont think this is down to poor plumbing


    All of them have that problem... Wiquin torbeck fluidmaster...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    i have to agree with roc1980 torbeck ballvaves probably work fine when tested in a factory but this bears no resemblance to the real world, where i played along and cleaned them the first few times but to date have had to replace at least a dozen. poor quality water is not the plumbers fault joey! also i might add that jollyfill ballvalves are disasterous also, as they would wake the dead when filling that is if they stop filling. all this is extra work usually unpaid for by the client as i would never ask to fix something which may only be 6 months old or less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    SEVERA wrote: »
    i have to agree with roc1980 torbeck ballvaves probably work fine when tested in a factory but this bears no resemblance to the real world, where i played along and cleaned them the first few times but to date have had to replace at least a dozen. poor quality water is not the plumbers fault joey! also i might add that jollyfill ballvalves are disasterous also, as they would wake the dead when filling that is if they stop filling. all this is extra work usually unpaid for by the client as i would never ask to fix something which may only be 6 months old or less.

    Its not poor water quality...Its grit in the water. This can be over come by making sure the toilet is plumbed 5-6" from the bottom of the tank.

    What it is in my opinion is lazyness and lack of understanding and the irony is it says it in the torbeck packet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    i am sorry joey you may be great on theory but i think you are pardon the pun "hanging onto reality by a thread". if you believe that good water quality and grit belong in the same sentence it beggars belief, and that plumbers should compensate for this by running a separate cold water line to feed toilets only, above the height of all other connections its crazy! its really an irish solution to an irish problem, "WATER QUALITY" these ballvalves are just not suitable, can we just agree to disagree? maybe a thread should be started to petition the various water boards around this wonderful colony of deutchland and ask them to employ a few german water board managers so that torbeck ballvalves can be put back on the shining pedestal it deserves!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    SEVERA wrote: »
    i am sorry joey you may be great on theory but i think you are pardon the pun "hanging onto reality by a thread". if you believe that good water quality and grit belong in the same sentence it beggars belief, and that plumbers should compensate for this by running a separate cold water line to feed toilets only, above the height of all other connections its crazy! its really an irish solution to an irish problem, "WATER QUALITY" these ballvalves are just not suitable, can we just agree to disagree? maybe a thread should be started to petition the various water boards around this wonderful colony of deutchland and ask them to employ a few german water board managers so that torbeck ballvalves can be put back on the shining pedestal it deserves!

    I am not only good on theory i am good on fact. Just look at the sales of torbeck in ireland...

    The torbeck valve is not the problem. Bad plumbing is the problem and it does not call for a seperate feed it just calls for propper mounting of the original feed.

    However i will agree to disagree but i am sure heatmerchants will still sell a lot this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    i am sure they sell quiet alot to greenhorn diy merchants who then discover a month later that the water does not stop after you flush the toilet, they go back to heatmercants probably secretly doubting there own competence, ask a few questions from the shop attendant,who nods,spoofs a bit about a damaged diaphram or might say that they "never had a problem before"who then convinces them what they need is another torbck ballvale at a little discount maybe? great but the greenhorn still doubts that he fitted it right so he asks johnny the first year apprentice plumber down the road to do a little nixer for cash, johnny delighted duly obliges and thinks this is easy money, until 2 months later johnny gets a call after work from guess who? no wonder sales are so high. shortly after the light bulb was invented 1 particular patent could give 10,000 hours of artificial light! this didnt last very long why? because of a cartel of manafacturers who succeeded , reduced the standard lightbulb to 1000 hours, why..SALES. if what you say is true joey then these ballvalves should never be used as replacement ballvalves to exsisting plumbing systems, as the majority do not have cold feeds fitted six inches from the bottom of storage to counteract the grit factor. no wonder people say "things dont last anymore" how could they,there not meant to why? SALES!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    SEVERA wrote: »
    i am sure they sell quiet alot to greenhorn diy merchants who then discover a month later that the water does not stop after you flush the toilet, they go back to heatmercants probably secretly doubting there own competence, ask a few questions from the shop attendant,who nods,spoofs a bit about a damaged diaphram or might say that they "never had a problem before"who then convinces them what they need is another torbck ballvale at a little discount maybe? great but the greenhorn still doubts that he fitted it right so he asks johnny the first year apprentice plumber down the road to do a little nixer for cash, johnny delighted duly obliges and thinks this is easy money, until 2 months later johnny gets a call after work from guess who? no wonder sales are so high. shortly after the light bulb was invented 1 particular patent could give 10,000 hours of artificial light! this didnt last very long why? because of a cartel of manafacturers who succeeded , reduced the standard lightbulb to 1000 hours, why..SALES. if what you say is true joey then these ballvalves should never be used as replacement ballvalves to exsisting plumbing systems, as the majority do not have cold feeds fitted six inches from the bottom of storage to counteract the grit factor. no wonder people say "things dont last anymore" how could they,there not meant to why? SALES!

    If what i say is true plumbers should be careful enough to spec the right valve. For example a torbeck ball valve used in an appartment is virtually bullet proof because most of the tank scale is far below the outlets especially on closet tanks for some reason.

    I have no loyality to torbeck. I do however love your light bulb quote. I am simply pointing out that these valves are not fitted correctly which is why plumbers get so much trouble.

    Personally i alsways use aquasave because i love the valve. So that is loyality. However when i am supplied Torbeck i have competitent plumbers that know if they do not fit it correctly they will be called back on there own time to repair it....

    Just for your own info. Torbeck is the prefered ball valve of choice in many concealed cistern frames... Its amazing how we dont hear of them failing as much...

    We clearly can only disagree on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    ok, aquasave i must remember this joey thanks. is it possible to get a lifespan or amount of flushes that any of these compact plastic ballvaves valves can refill for, from the manafacturers? i find it incredible that in this day and age of technical advancement, that no company can make a ballvalve that will last trouble free for 50years or longer. i have taken out several old loos in old schools and collages where 20 to 30 flushes a day would be normal, to make way for "progress" the thing is all the old toilets still worked perfectly and the majority still had there original internal parts, in one case after 68 years. i know where your coming from and accept that you are quiet magnificent on info , but i just want to lift the lid on this and point out what i believe, which is quiet simple things nowadays dont last because they are designed not to for profits, this concept which is destroying our environment, needs to be tackled. overproduction of plastic crap is creating job security but at what long term price, they even have chips inserted in pc printers circuit boards which after printing 1800 pages automatically it stops working, why go to the bother of trying to fix it when all you get when you go back to the shop is "we have a special offer of 70 euro for this one". all the unwanted plastic crap is eventually sent to ghana in steel containers labeled as second hand equipment, phones, pcs,printers,tv, cdplayers etc etc most of which is absolutley unrepairable. ghana is now a dumping ground for big corporations from apple to xbox. DE-GROWTH is whats now needed before its too late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    if i asked a plumber to change my leaking ballcock in the toilet and he charged me for doinig the install suggested for the torbeck valve i would run him for a chancer!

    brass ball valve and a short silicone hose ftw.


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