how do drug dealers get their drugs?

CorkMan

Cocaine for example is majority of the time made in Colombia. They ship it over here but do they then sell directly to a drug dealer or is there a middle man from Ireland?

Same with Cannabis, etc.

Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls, Biggie Smalls!
Did it work?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ring The Ryan Line!...... Oh, no wait. He's dead, and his mates are staying silent on the matter.

Sykk

CorkMan strikes again!

Kinetic^

They buy it online, using paypal.

Zascar

From other drug dealers, aka traffickers.

Have a read of this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-Nice-Howard-Marks/dp/0749395699

Balfie

''E'' tablets come in boxes of splenda.. Funny story once a granny got ''E'' in her coffee... Nahhh

FloatingVoter

Into Ireland (Coca) mainly dropped direct off trawlers (via subs) on the West coast - en route to Amsterdam for Euro distribution. Some pure **** does hit Dublin via Vip splits. Mo(i)st heroin arrives from the west coast of Africa (ultimatlely from the fields in Afghanistan/Pakistan...the US Army is great fun here) up through Europe via Spain/Portugal.

Failing that up people's asses walking through airports.

i.e. who'd know?

NothingMan

Musgraves.

danniemcq

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

Hes a funny man. Really nice person too.

i seen his tour there while back and he signed ahem bits and pieces for me

CaSCaDe711

Zascar wrote: »

From other drug dealers, aka traffickers.

Have a read of this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-Nice-Howard-Marks/dp/0749395699

HMV have that on the shelves for Eur5. Great read

drunkmonkey

Did you really believe it was just salt coming from Morocco?

ejmaztec

NothingMan wrote: »

Musgraves.

..and if you don't pay up, you end up in Shallowgraves.:(

Thomas828

Drug dealers usually don't use drugs themselves. 'Don't get high on your own supply'. That's the rule that Ice T learned early on in his life.

El Horseboxo

Backpackers.

RichieC

I believe they use small horses.

Snakeblood

CorkMan wrote: »

Cocaine for example is majority of the time made in Colombia. They ship it over here but do they then sell directly to a drug dealer or is there a middle man from Ireland?

Same with Cannabis, etc.

Big dealers have lesser dealers upon their back to bite em. Lesser dealers have little dealers, and so ad infinitum.

ScumLord

Thomas828 wrote: »

Drug dealers usually don't use drugs themselves. 'Don't get high on your own supply'. That's the rule that Ice T learned early on in his life.

I take it you've never met a drug dealer then, the reason most people become drug dealers is to guarantee their own supply.

CHealy

I always wonder and laugh at the Guards when, for example, they catch millions of euro worth of coke on the west and south coasts, and say its a massive dent in the drugs coming into Ireland, when in reality what they usually catch is a miniscule amount compared to what is actually passing through our coasts on what must be a weekly basis. Ireland been the gateway to Europe and all that

Gummy Panda

The drugs fairy gives it to them under their pillow

Piriz

this is great...funny too...
Crack Economics: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/steven_levitt_analyzes_crack_economics.html

Ghandee

duh, from the drug store of course!


Jeez Louise :rolleyes:

Biggins

Dunno OP ...but give it time, Tesco might get in on that racket too!

knird evol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erTk7sBiPv8

NWPat

"THE AUTOPSY REPORT on broadcaster Gerry Ryan shows that traces of the veterinary drugs Levamisole, which is used to treat parasitic worm infections in cattle and sheep, were found in his system at the time of his death.
The worming powder was probably used to cut the cocaine he had taken on the night of his death."



drugs are bad ok.

Mike 1972

ScumLord wrote: »

I take it you've never met a drug dealer then, the reason most people become drug dealers is to guarantee their own supply.

Surely drug dealers (whether at the wholesale or retail level) need to check the quality of the drugs theyre getting from their suppliers to ensure theyre not being ripped off ?

CHealy wrote: »

I always wonder and laugh at the Guards when, for example, they catch millions of euro worth of coke on the west and south coasts, and say its a massive dent in the drugs coming into Ireland, when in reality what they usually catch is a miniscule amount compared to what is actually passing through our coasts on what must be a weekly basis.

Even better is the way one hears a media report of X Kilogrammes of weed/speed/coke/heroin/whateveryerhavinyerself being siezed by the cops and how it has a "street value" (itself a pretty laughable concept) of Y

Simple division of Y by X shows how badly the journalist in question is being ripped off by their dealer.

hiscan

This Thread is great craic

ScumLord

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Surely drug dealers (whether at the wholesale or retail level) need to check the quality of the drugs theyre getting from their suppliers to ensure theyre not being ripped off ?

That's what I mean, they only get into supplying it so there will always be some around for them selves.

M cebee

Thomas828 wrote: »

Drug dealers usually don't use drugs themselves. 'Don't get high on your own supply'. That's the rule that Ice T learned early on in his life.

they dont make it up the ladder if they use themselves

JJJJNR

A little light reading.

This research is based on prison interviews with 222 convicted drug dealers. A cocaine dealer can make various amounts per day this will be down to what area he operates in and the demand, also if he has the right contacts i.e wealthy clients then he can make thousands.
A prison sentence is not seen as a significant deterrent, with their drug businesses handed over
to employees or colleagues while they were inside. Most saw prison as an occupational
hazard or "unlikely risk" and it is rare for operations to totally cease following an arrest.
Instead, asset recovery operations including confiscation orders were seen as a much bigger
threat, with some dealers complaining to researchers that those arrested were "losing
everything that they have - even the things they acquired through honest means".
drug traffickers and dealers inside prison.
The estimate that 70,000 street dealers are active in the British drug economy is based on
previously unpublished Home Office calculations. The report says the £7bn-£8bn estimate of
annual turnover implies that the average street dealer does £100,000 worth of business each
year.
Earlier Home Office estimates of the scale of the drug trade, between £4bn and £6.6bn suggested the amount spent on drugs each year was equal to 33% of the tobacco
market and 41% of that for alcohol.
Demand for illegal drugs remains high and stable, with a
tendency for dealers of heroin and cocaine to specialise.
It finds there are very high mark-ups along the supply chain from production to street level,
about 15,800% in the case of cocaine and 16,800% for heroin. Even with those profit margins, dealers said their main challenge was cash flow.
The study says more than three-quarters of dealers began their activities through contact with
friends and family, the only special skill needed being a "willingness to break the law".
Trust is of crucial importance in dealers' choice of who to work with. They often choose only
those they have grown up with or spent time in prison with.
The researchers found that only a fifth of dealers could be described as sole traders, with
most operating in small- or medium-size enterprises and the overwhelming majority trying to"grow their operations".
There is some use of salaried staff, typically in unskilled roles as runners and storers who are
paid very small proportions of the cost of the transaction or the profit involved.
Only a small number of dealers suggested that the risk of arrest was increasing, with one
cocaine dealer reporting that 20 of his original 50 contacts in the trade are still operating, crack cocaine dealers can make anything from 7-15,000pw. So as you can see from the info the demand is very high and thats why these people are still in business and why there is also a lot of violence surrounding the drug trade.

Run_to_da_hills

CorkMan wrote: »

Cocaine for example is majority of the time made in Colombia. They ship it over here but do they then sell directly to a drug dealer or is there a middle man from Ireland?

Same with Cannabis, etc.

What ever gets into this country gets cut to pieces and sold on.

The coke that is sold in this country is pure rubbish and most fatalities would more than likely be as a result of the additives and not the drug itself.

Anyone that get done in this country should have their evidense analised by an independent laboritory as the majority of the drug would more than likely be made up of talk powder, octocaine, or lidocaine mepivacaine which is used in dental practice.

Mike 1972

JJJJNR wrote: »

The estimate that 70,000 street dealers are active in the British drug economy.

A misnomer surely.

How many of these 70,000 would transact the bulk/any of their business literally on the street. Surely most dealing takes place in clubs, pubs or homes ?

JJJJNR wrote: »

implies that the average street dealer does £100,000 worth of business each year..

I was under the impression that a lot of individuals at the very bottom rung of the supply chain were more "social dealers" and that profit wasnt necessairly their principal motivation.

Dues Bellator

Kinetic^ wrote: »

They buy it online, using paypal.

is it not mainline with there pal .

mbiking123

Most of the Cannabis consumed in Ireland is actually grown in Ireland.

Heard that too

Johro

JJJJNR wrote: »

A little light reading.

This research is based on prison interviews with 222 convicted drug dealers. A cocaine dealer can make various amounts per day this will be down to what area he operates in and the demand, also if he has the right contacts i.e wealthy clients then he can make thousands.
A prison sentence is not seen as a significant deterrent, with their drug businesses handed over
to employees or colleagues while they were inside. Most saw prison as an occupational
hazard or "unlikely risk" and it is rare for operations to totally cease following an arrest.
Instead, asset recovery operations including confiscation orders were seen as a much bigger
threat, with some dealers complaining to researchers that those arrested were "losing
everything that they have - even the things they acquired through honest means".
drug traffickers and dealers inside prison.
The estimate that 70,000 street dealers are active in the British drug economy is based on
previously unpublished Home Office calculations. The report says the £7bn-£8bn estimate of
annual turnover implies that the average street dealer does £100,000 worth of business each
year.
Earlier Home Office estimates of the scale of the drug trade, between £4bn and £6.6bn suggested the amount spent on drugs each year was equal to 33% of the tobacco
market and 41% of that for alcohol.
Demand for illegal drugs remains high and stable, with a
tendency for dealers of heroin and cocaine to specialise.
It finds there are very high mark-ups along the supply chain from production to street level,
about 15,800% in the case of cocaine and 16,800% for heroin. Even with those profit margins, dealers said their main challenge was cash flow.
The study says more than three-quarters of dealers began their activities through contact with
friends and family, the only special skill needed being a "willingness to break the law".
Trust is of crucial importance in dealers' choice of who to work with. They often choose only
those they have grown up with or spent time in prison with.
The researchers found that only a fifth of dealers could be described as sole traders, with
most operating in small- or medium-size enterprises and the overwhelming majority trying to"grow their operations".
There is some use of salaried staff, typically in unskilled roles as runners and storers who are
paid very small proportions of the cost of the transaction or the profit involved.
Only a small number of dealers suggested that the risk of arrest was increasing, with one
cocaine dealer reporting that 20 of his original 50 contacts in the trade are still operating, crack cocaine dealers can make anything from 7-15,000pw. So as you can see from the info the demand is very high and thats why these people are still in business and why there is also a lot of violence surrounding the drug trade.

ts;cr

(too stoned;could't read)

FloatingVoter

There happens to be large number of small farmers / peoples with large back gardens/ huge attics growing tomato plants. This is called agribusiness. I'm sure some even get IDA grants.

tallaghtmick

CorkMan wrote: »

or is there a middle man from Ireland?

its me :cool:

Pace2008

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Even better is the way one hears a media report of X Kilogrammes of weed/speed/coke/heroin/whateveryerhavinyerself being siezed by the cops and how it has a "street value" (itself a pretty laughable concept) of Y

Simple division of Y by X shows how badly the journalist in question is being ripped off by their dealer.

I thought it was the Gardai themselves that attributed this arbitrary, grossly exaggerated street value, with the aim of making their efforts seem less futile.

You'd want to be getting some whack off this bad boy, anyway.

Chardee MacDennis

Pace2008 wrote: »

I thought it was the Gardai themselves that attributed this arbitrary, grossly exaggerated street value, with the aim of making their efforts seem less futile.

You'd want to be getting some whack off this bad boy, anyway.

isnt prison sentence based on street value? the higher the value the longer the sentence.

Local-womanizer

As Zascar suggested read "Mr Nice"

Reading it at the moment and its crazy how easy it was to get drugs moved around the world.

VNP

Car and motor importers in diesel tanks and in tyres ... Arthur Daly types:D

Mike 1972

BastardPrince wrote: »

isnt prison sentence based on street value? the higher the value the longer the sentence.

So Dealer A could get busted with a quantity of drugs and six months later Dealer B could get busted with the exact same quantity of drugs and despite all other considerations being equal they could get very different sentences on account of fluctiations in the "street value" of the drugs in question ?

How is street value determined anyway given the heavy degree of volume discounting which operates in the market for most drugs I mean it works out considerably cheaper for an end user who uses cannabis regularly to buy a half ounce at a time than buying eights or even sixteenths. Is the official measure of "street value" based on taking the going rate for the minimum quantity one could realistically buy (even if few users actually do) and multiplying it up to the quantity siezed ?

Or is the figure (as I suspect) just pulled right out of their @r$€;s ?

epgc3fyqirnbsx

They get transported around Ireland in round bales of sileage. You heard it here first

CorkMan

CorkMan wrote: »

Cocaine for example is majority of the time made in Colombia. They ship it over here but do they then sell directly to a drug dealer or is there a middle man from Ireland?

Same with Cannabis, etc.

They don't ship it over on the off chance someone will buy it It's like any other product.

strobe

Manufacturer -> multinational -> national (via importer) -> large to medium distributer -> medium and small business -> customer.

Like with Coca Cola or cement or peanuts. Cocaine or MDMA are just products like anything else.

ntlbell

Kinetic^ wrote: »

They buy it online, using paypal.

Funny you should mention that, I've bought a few oz's online, not using paypal tho

blaze1

from guineys....
think about how much sense that would make seeing as half the shams in dublin hang around on the corner of talbot st.

AntiMatter

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Or is the figure (as I suspect) just pulled right out of their @r$€;s ?

This is correct.

Although recently some MDMA pills, being retailed at a tenner a pop, have come back in line with the Guards supposed street values.

The rest of them are pie in the sky.

Here's a case from a couple of years ago where the guy argued that the real value of the drugs he was caught with was far less than what the Gardai claimed (and which would have resulted in a lesser sentence)...
http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhidojcwmhid/

Mike 1972

AntiMatter wrote: »

Although recently some MDMA pills, being retailed at a tenner a pop, have come back in line with the Guards supposed street values.

Possibly because they might actually contain some MDMA

AntiMatter wrote: »

Heaphy claimed the tablets were worth somewhere between €1 and €3 each. A jury disagreed and accepted the street value of €10 per tablet given by the gardaí.

Wonder if it was a unanimous decision ?

Hard to imagine that out of a group of 12 people supposed (however laughably) to represent a cross section of society that there wasnt at least one with a semblence of knowledge as to how these things work.

Dues Bellator

CHealy wrote: »

I always wonder and laugh at the Guards when, for example, they catch millions of euro worth of coke on the west and south coasts, and say its a massive dent in the drugs coming into Ireland, when in reality what they usually catch is a miniscule amount compared to what is actually passing through our coasts on what must be a weekly basis. Ireland been the gateway to Europe and all that

plus the over the top value on capture. i mean if they seize a couple of oz,s lets say which the dealer paid 1600 quid for ,the guards split that down to street deal value , ie 1600 quids worth turns into 5 grands worth.never really understood the logic in that. oh wait it looks better:D
plus it makes the little fish seem that bit bigger.

AntiMatter

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Possibly because they might actually contain some MDMA

There's yokes going about, Blue Diamonds, which contain a whopping 134mg of MDMA, according to one lab report.

Wonder if it was a unanimous decision ?

Hard to imagine that out of a group of 12 people supposed (however laughably) to represent a cross section of society that there wasnt at least one with a semblence of knowledge as to how these things work.

Most of those with a good working knowledge of the reality of drug prices are probably ineligible for jury service.

Of those who did serve that day, it probably looked as if the guy, using mates as witnesses, was chancing his arm.

Plus, it was the word of the Guards, and the justice system, against an admitted drug dealer. No contest, really.