deadlift / barbell row

mickman

hi guys

is it normal to have slight back pain after starting the above lifts? im doing it with correct technique but still have some slight back pain - nothing major

Brian?

Soreness- yes.
Sharp pain- no.

gre

^^^..agree..maybe you need re think the positions your doin in both excersices..perhaps try less weight..but if pain consist dont do in same positions..

mickman

thank guys

im starting with low weights so the bar is down low. i put it on some weights but maybe its still too low. what height should it be at ?

with the barbell row should you drop the weights on the ground after each rep or keep it held?

mack32

briankeating wrote: »

Soreness- yes.
Sharp pain- no.

agreed

mickman wrote: »

thank guys

im starting with low weights so the bar is down low. i put it on some weights but maybe its still too low. what height should it be at ?

with the barbell row should you drop the weights on the ground after each rep or keep it held?

id recommend getting the advice of someone who knows what they're doing and that can stand over you, esp with the deadlift - there are so many cues and things to think about e.g dont lift the bar but push feet through floor, try tuck scaps "into back pockets" etc etc

with the barbell rows i wouldnt recommend dropping weights to the floor, amoungst other things, getting set up again once you pick the bar up would take too long

mickman

according to strong lifts - proper barbell row technique is that the bar begins and ends on the floor after each rep!

mack32

mickman wrote: »

according to strong lifts - proper barbell row technique is that the bar begins and ends on the floor after each rep!

Well I’m open to correction but this has always been my understanding of how to do a barbell row (forget the explanation and just check out the animation at the top of the page)

personally I find that if I bend over so far that the bar touches the floor I compromise my lower back and the erectors are unnecessarily strained, I also wouldn’t be able to do it whilst maintaining scapular retratction, but maybe that’s just me!

mickman

mack32 wrote: »

Well I’m open to correction butthis has always been my understanding of how to do a barbell row (forget the explanation and just check out the animation at the top of the page)

personally I find that if I bend over so far that the bar touches the floor I compromise my lower back and the erectors are unnecessarily strained, I also wouldn’t be able to do it whilst maintaining scapular retratction, but maybe that’s just me!

yeah maybe ur right, it does look more natural. ill do them that way the next time and see

mack32

well thats always been my understanding anyway, i'd be interested in seeing what others think later

d'Oracle

There are lots of ways to do barbell rows.
Not all of them are a good idea.

The stronglifts site seems to have adopted Glen Pendlays method which is often called the "Pendlay Row" but Glen Pendlay it seems doesn't like this as he just considers it to be doing them right.

This row as described by Glen Pendlay starts and finishes on the floor.
Look at the video in this link:

http://weightliftingepiphanies.blogspot.com/2010/07/fridays-flippant-schedule.html

Scuba Ste

I think either or is fine. I've done rows both ways and I prefer not to deload the bar but someone may find they prefer it that way. I find deloading the bar makes it a little harder which makes sense because your pulling form a dead stop. If your dropping the bar though that's probably bad.

I don't think either should make a difference when it comes keeping your lower back straight or retracting your scapula's unless like I said pulling from a dead stop is just making it heavier and harder. If you can't keep your lower straight it could just be inflexibility and tight hamstrings.

Pendlay rows start from the floor and I think they incorporate some thoracic extension and scapular retraction at the start of each rep but I'm not too sure what are the benefits of this.

I would also be wary of starting sentences with "according to stronglifts".

ah I should really preview before posting.