shotgun recommendations

skoolboi

Heya guy's,
I'm looking for a shotgun and I'm looking for some ideas of what ones people would suggest. What I'm looking for is as follows,

• a shotgun with some kinda stock(m4 type, fixed type or the tactical one with a adjustable check rest)
• a nice weight and solid feel, nothing too light or creeky!
• preferbly one with a multi shot(3 round burst etc.) but I'd also like to use a single shot function too.

Thanks for any suggestions that ye may have or if you've seen a helpfull review could you post a link.

shane_rafferty

you looking for a pump action or gas ?

skoolboi

Sorry pump action and a max of about 100-150e.

shane_rafferty

np mate :P
you should look at airsoft eires sites they have a few nice looking shoot guns

skoolboi

Thanks shane, was looking at their stuff............ but most stuff is quite deer anybody have anyother suggestions or reviews that they have found usefull?

shane_rafferty

skoolboi wrote: »

Thanks shane, was looking at their stuff............ but most stuff is quite deer anybody have anyother suggestions or reviews that they have found usefull?

np mate
hope this helps
http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=58

NakedDex

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you won't find what you're looking for in that price range. There are metal shotguns that fire bursts of three, but they're expensive and rather unreliable as they're usually gas systems (with the exception of one of Marushins shotguns, they're almost always pump action to mimic the real thing. The difference comes in it being either spring or gas powered).
If you want a reliable burst shotgun, the only readily available option is the TM M3 and SPAS series but it's about the €200-250 mark new. Double Eagle did a great clone of their three-shot system for a cheaper price, but they're wickedly hard to get now because they're not made anymore. They're also both plastic, and the Double Eagle one feels like a gust of wind could take it away. The TM is sturdier, but they're both reliable.

As for the stock you mention, I haven't seen any shotgun with an "M4 stock" in airsoft before, nor an adaptor to allow for one. There's a few real ones, like the SPAS-15, that use solid stocks alright, but none made in airsoft that I've seen. I'll happily be corrected on that though.
The M4 shotgun, as distinct from the M4 rifle, does have a solid and adjustable stock variant. Maybe this is what you mean? It's mil-designation is M1014, so a quick image search for that might confirm it?
This was the shotgun Double Eagle were making, but is now like hens teeth to find. I've seen a few shops offer Double Eagle shotguns that are the older ones too, without the burst fire. You can tell those by the black magazine sticking out of the bottom of the rifle. Triple-shot shotguns by both TM and Double Eagle use magazines that look like shotgun shells and are inserted into the rifle, hiding the entire unit.

There was an ACM Mossberg M500 that was metal and fired in bursts, but I haven't seen one in about two years. They were gas and notoriously needy when it came to maintenance. The main issue was seal failure.

desertstorm

I'll second the double eagle shotguns, if you see one for sale at a reasonable price jump on it!

I've got one of the m1014 models and it's a beauty, but needs a bit of upkeep to keep everything tight. The quality may not be as good as the TM, but I got it for 40e at the time so you really couldn't complain.

If I had known how good they were for that price I'd have gotten 2, but given their rarity now I would consider a TM whenever this one coughs out its last bb's, touch wood. The fun of a tri shot shotty is really worth the extra bit of saving.

oeb

NakedDex wrote: »

If you want a reliable burst shotgun, the only readily available option is the TM M3 and SPAS series but it's about the €200-250 mark new. Double Eagle did a great clone of their three-shot system for a cheaper price, but they're wickedly hard to get now because they're not made anymore. They're also both plastic, and the Double Eagle one feels like a gust of wind could take it away. The TM is sturdier, but they're both reliable.

Some mates picked up a bunch of the 3 shot springers from SE airsoft about 4 months ago. They appear to be re-branded DE (Branded ASG if I remember correctly), they were a bit more expensive than the DE ones used to be, but still far cheaper than the TM ones.

NakedDex

ASG have a habit of buying clones, sticking them in one of their own boxes and slapping an extra premium on the price. You probably did pay a bit more than you should have if it had been the DE original, but given their rarity, I think anyone would be happy to pay a few bob extra for such a decent platform.

skoolboi

NakedDex wrote: »

I haven't seen any shotgun with an "M4 stock" in airsoft before,

The stock I was talking about is like the one in shane's M.I.A. link. It's the special ops tactical shot gun, maybe somebody can can provide abit more info on this type of stock. It does state that it has a collapable stock.

shane_rafferty

a mate has it
think it has a 3 poition stock maybe 4
it a good realliable shot gun

NakedDex

skoolboi wrote: »

The stock I was talking about is like the one in shane's M.I.A. link. It's the special ops tactical shot gun, maybe somebody can can provide abit more info on this type of stock. It does state that it has a collapable stock.

Let me rephrase that, I haven't seen any metal shotguns with that stock yet, nor any burst shotguns.
The nearest I've seen, as I mentioned, was the adjustable stock on the DE M1014 shotguns like this:


If you can find one (as mentioned above, try SE Airsoft), and you don't mind the fact that it's entirely plastic, it's by far your best bet. The next best thing is the TM version for about the €200 mark, and it'll be mainly plastic too (though a damn sight heavier than the DE one, and quite a bit more rugged).

skoolboi

Ye plastic doesn't bother me aslong as it not too cheap-ish if you get me, so thats why my price range was a little bit lower then you were suggesting because I haven't really thought about metal, just a decent plastic one.

shane_rafferty

skoolboi wrote: »

Ye plastic doesn't bother me aslong as it not too cheap-ish if you get me, so thats why my price range was a little bit lower then you were suggesting because I haven't really thought about metal, just a decent plastic one.

the shot gun with an m4 stock
is a kind of abs i think nice gun

NakedDex

With shotguns you have four options.
Cheap plastic - the cheapest option, usually a spring and very flimsy (Anything branded ASG or Franchi)
Plastic and metal - giving some sturdiness and weight. (The domain of TM and Marushin. Great performance and options)
Full metal clones - reasonably priced but not always giving reliable performance. (ACM Mossberg, for example, feels and looks great for it's price point but had issues with gas leaks)
Full metal high-end - €250+ prices with excellent look, feel, weight, build and performance. (Tanaka, Airsoft Surgeon and select G&P offerings, for example)

With the exception of the Double Eagle shotguns (and the ones that ASG rebranded, but be careful because they rebrand ones that look like them but perform nothing like them too), the cheap plastic option are pretty much disposable springers. They feed off a small protruding magazine, for which spare or extras are anywhere between rare and non existant. If any part of them breaks down, you chuck it. Triggers are usually the first to go, and the last for that reason.
The TM option is quite popular among the shotty nuts, like myself, and with good reason. It's a tad pricier than you might expect to pay for an oversized springer, but you get the performance to match. Ask Moggser on here, you couldn't pry his TM SPAS-12 out of his hands if you had a crowbar.
The full metal clones were popular for a while. They've died off somewhat, but there's still a few about going second hand. Lovely wall hangers, but they need some love if you want to skirmish them.
The high end range obviously produces some great results (though some Tanaka models have reliability issues), but very few go down that route as the price is prohibitive and there's little gained in performance above that provided by the TM and Marushin/Maruzen offerings. An Airsoft Surgeon shotgun will easily set you back €700, for example. G&P are closer to the €250 mark (even below with some models), but their real benefit is the accessory parts available, like masterkey kits and pistol-grip pump assemblies.

shane_rafferty

NakedDex wrote: »

With shotguns you have four options.
Cheap plastic - the cheapest option, usually a spring and very flimsy (Anything branded ASG or Franchi)
Plastic and metal - giving some sturdiness and weight. (The domain of TM and Marushin. Great performance and options)
Full metal clones - reasonably priced but not always giving reliable performance. (ACM Mossberg, for example, feels and looks great for it's price point but had issues with gas leaks)
Full metal high-end - €250+ prices with excellent look, feel, weight, build and performance. (Tanaka, Airsoft Surgeon and select G&P offerings, for example)

With the exception of the Double Eagle shotguns (and the ones that ASG rebranded, but be careful because they rebrand ones that look like them but perform nothing like them too), the cheap plastic option are pretty much disposable springers. They feed off a small protruding magazine, for which spare or extras are anywhere between rare and non existant. If any part of them breaks down, you chuck it. Triggers are usually the first to go, and the last for that reason.
The TM option is quite popular among the shotty nuts, like myself, and with good reason. It's a tad pricier than you might expect to pay for an oversized springer, but you get the performance to match. Ask Moggser on here, you couldn't pry his TM SPAS-12 out of his hands if you had a crowbar.
The full metal clones were popular for a while. They've died off somewhat, but there's still a few about going second hand. Lovely wall hangers, but they need some love if you want to skirmish them.
The high end range obviously produces some great results (though some Tanaka models have reliability issues), but very few go down that route as the price is prohibitive and there's little gained in performance above that provided by the TM and Marushin/Maruzen offerings. An Airsoft Surgeon shotgun will easily set you back €700, for example. G&P are closer to the €250 mark (even below with some models), but their real benefit is the accessory parts available, like masterkey kits and pistol-grip pump assemblies.

not all shot guns that are plastic are bad
i,v seen about 15 and one had a problem because the lad droped it and it smashed but he could still use it so it was his fault

NakedDex

The Double Eagle ones are really the only plastic ones worth having. I've seen far more broken cheapy shotguns than working ones, and the working ones always gave results that left a heck of a lot to be desired.

CpcRc

If you try ebay.com (the american one where airsoft can be listed), there are some double eagle tri-shot shotguns.

But the retailer only has 1269 sales, I personally wouldn't trust them. Tried looking for a retailer with 10000+ sales and >96% positive feed back, but there isn't any.

Price is in dollars. Just thought I'd mention that there appears to be some new double eagles out there. Although as stated before, I don't trust the sellers reputaion as it doesn't match what I look for when buying.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Eagle-DE-M56DL-Tri-Shot-CQB-L-Airsoft-Shotgun_W0QQitemZ220690378189QQcategoryZ62122QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6254917683049065585

Dread-Lock

CpcRc wrote: »

http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Eagle-DE-M56DL-Tri-Shot-CQB-L-Airsoft-Shotgun_W0QQitemZ220690378189QQcategoryZ62122QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6254917683049065585

Shipping: Not Available to Ireland.

Won't ship to Ireland anyway, but a 99% positive feedback and over 1200 items sold isnt a good enough reputation for you?

skoolboi

Dread-Lock wrote: »

Shipping: Not Available to Ireland.

Won't ship to Ireland anyway, but a 99% positive feedback and over 1200 items sold isnt a good enough reputation for you?

that looked like a good one and is the kinda shotgun that I'd be looking for.......... too bad about the shipping, but thanks anyway for posting it has pointed me on the right track. I think I might try to focas my efforts on getting double eagle.
Thanks for everyone for the advice ye have all been very helpfull.......... keep posting if ye have somemore information it help me or someone else that may have a question on shotguns.

CpcRc

Dread-Lock wrote: »

Shipping: Not Available to Ireland.

Won't ship to Ireland anyway, but a 99% positive feedback and over 1200 items sold isnt a good enough reputation for you?

Yeah, I noticed that they had no shipping quotes to Ireland after I posted the link My mistake.
99% positive feedback is great, but if a seller has more than 10000 sales it is way more likely that they are a proper online retailer selling real merchandise. There are tons of sellers with 1000+ sales who sell fake merchandise and have 98%+ positive feedback. I prefer to buy off someone with more of a track record you know?
But thats a personal preference, even if it means spending a few euros more. They might ship to Ireland if you ask them.

spicymchaggis

if its a double eagle you want try boomarms, have got loads of stuff off them over the years without any issues

Fallschirmjager

this might help, i modded my m3 shorty and added this



its not cheap but it works really well...

se conman

Hey mate , I will bring my TM shortie to THE ASYLUM next time I am going and you can try it out.

skoolboi

se conman wrote: »

Hey mate , I will bring my TM shortie to THE ASYLUM next time I am going and you can try it out.

Please if you don't mind............. although I can't garentiee that you'll get it back though, or atleast not covered in drool anyway lol.

se conman

Anything for a fellow LOONY.