to buy 3d or not

Lord Spence

ok I am in to buy a new tv I was looking at a LG 50pk350 full hd as its dirth cheap at only €699, but I was thinking if saving a bit more and get the samsung 50" 3d for €1099 now money is a bit tight so would I be better waiting say 2 year for 3d TVs to develop or should I get one now.

higster

Not a 3d fan personally (wear glasses as is and cannot see the family sitting down wearing them for any extended time).

On the 350....do a search on avforums. Mixed reviews at best (I was looking at it a while ago....

http://www.avforums.com/forums/tv-should-i-buy/1265707-help-choosing-between-lg-50pk350-lg50pk590-panasonic.html

Lord Spence

Seems to have got a very good review on AV Fourms

http://www.avforums.com/review/LG-PK350-50PK350-Review.html

UrbanSea

To answer your 3d question.
Would I buy one? No.
Would I reccommend one? No.
Would I reccommend plasma? No.

higster

What would you recommend for 50"?

UrbanSea

What's the budget? And what would you be using it for?

Lord Spence

budget is €700-€800 using it for everything really telly,games and bluray

UrbanSea

To be honest for that budget I can't think of anything in that size,bar one of the plasmas.

Lord Spence

ok back in the Market for 3d advise to buy or not to, torn between a non 3d LG 50pk350 for €699 or the Samsung PSC680 3D for €1099 with a bluray player and glasses????

UrbanSea

I'd probably go for the LG. I think the LED 3D'S have a good picture,haven't heard great reviews towards plasmas,but haven't seen one myself. The fact that you have to wear heavy glasses and buy extra pairs that are very expensive puts me off.

Lord Spence

the lg is actually a Plasma full hd 600Hz, the samsung is also a full hd plasma with 3D

UrbanSea

600 hz is only a sales gimmick. I'd go for the LG out of the two,let us know which one you go for.

Lord Spence

ended up getting the LG from Pixmania at a very decent €695 delivered plus 2 years warranty. Rang powercity and talked to curries and neither would match that offer, pity shops here dont try and be a bit more competitive as i would rather buy local. All power city had to do was match the 2 year warranty and offer free deliver (which the wanted to charge me €25 for) and they would of had a sale of €700

mad muffin

Good man, I'm glad you didn't listen to greetings, he is a man who knows nothing about TV's.

I recently got the 50PK760 from Pixmania and couldn't be happier with it.

Check out AV Forums LG sections for settings and such.:)

BailMeOut

I think the Panasonic TX-P50X20L is a great buy if still available (EUR700 ish I think). Mine came with a 5 year warranty.

UrbanSea

mad muffin wrote: »

Good man, I'm glad you didn't listen to greetings, he is a man who knows nothing about TV's.

I recently got the 50PK760 from Pixmania and couldn't be happier with it.

Check out AV Forums LG sections for settings and such.:)

Alas mad muffin,please do illustrate where my knowledge lacks rather than passing comment on it to another poster.

mad muffin

greetings wrote: »

Alas mad muffin,please do illustrate where my knowledge lacks rather than passing comment on it to another poster.

greetings wrote: »

To answer your 3d question.
Would I buy one? No.
Would I reccommend one? No.
Would I reccommend plasma? No.

greetings wrote: »

600 hz is only a sales gimmick. I'd go for the LG out of the two,let us know which one you go for.

How could you not recommend Plasma? It is far superior to LCD, unless you are after a computer monitor.

And 600Hz on a Plasma is far from a gimmick.

600Hz on a Plasma has nothing to do with motion like on say 100Hz on an LCD (which is a gimmick and only serves to smooth out LCD's motion deficiencies by making the image look like it was filmed on a cheap camcorder) and everything to do with the way it improves colour on Plasma by the way it makes subfields work.

UrbanSea

mad muffin wrote: »

How could you not recommend Plasma? It is far superior to LCD, unless you are after a computer monitor.

And 600Hz on a Plasma is far from a gimmick.

600Hz on a Plasma has nothing to do with motion like on say 100Hz on an LCD (which is a gimmick and only serves to smooth out LCD's motion deficiencies by making the image look like it was filmed on a cheap camcorder) and everything to do with the way it improves colour on Plasma by the way it makes subfields work.

The human eye can't see up to 600 hz. The amount of plasmas that I've seen the gas go in in about 3 or 4 years is unbelievable. Id have an LCD with 100hz and high contrast ratio over a plasma any day. Some of the Panasonics are fantastic.I wouldn't say plasma have a better picture as a whole over LCD. LED is the only way to go I think,assuming their life span will be good/

mad muffin

greetings wrote: »

The human eye can't see up to 600 hz. The amount of plasmas that I've seen the gas go in in about 3 or 4 years is unbelievable. Id have an LCD with 100hz and high contrast ratio over a plasma any day. Some of the Panasonics are fantastic.I wouldn't say plasma have a better picture as a whole over LCD. LED is the only way to go I think,assuming their life span will be good/

OMG!! Please just stop.:eek:

UrbanSea

Lawl.

Pred192

I have to agree with Mad Muffin. Plasma's do offer a far better picture quality than an LCD. There main downfalls over an LCD is that they use more power and that if you leave the same image on it leaves a "burn in" effect. With modern plasma's they have created a screen saver that turns on if you leave something paused to reduce this burn in.

LCD's have been trying to catch up to plasma's picture quality by making the LED tv's. Most people don't understand that the screen is still the same compared to a standard LCD the only difference is that LED tv's use LED lights to light the tv. This has created a better picture and refresh time, thus catching up to plasma's

And about the 3D tv, they are quite expensive at the moment and not used to their potential but in the next few years they will go down in price (just like what LCD and plasmas have) and they will be used to their potential. So if you have the money now and don't want to buy another tv in the next few years, go with it.

Lord Spence

Thanks for all the reply lads, just checked this thread. Ordered tv on the 7th so still waiting for tv from pixmania and I know a lot of people could say I told you so. But anyway once it arrives I think I will be more then happy with it plasma does seem the way to go once you mind screen burn (I have warned the kids) just bought the Sony bluray player s370 to go with it just can't wait now. Will give feedback on the set itself once it arrives. I decided against 3d until all companies agree on passive or active glasses, seems LG will be introducing a new range of passive TV,s so 2 years time should tell a lot.

andy1249

The human eye can't see up to 600 hz.

Its got nothing to do with the response time of the human eye and everything to do with how the pixels and hence picture on the TV are constructed.

The amount of plasmas that I've seen the gas go in in about 3 or 4 years is unbelievable.

Gases "going" in Plasmas are a complete and total myth ! Your making that up , at best youve read about this on some flaky sites , but no way have you actually seen it , because it doesnt happen.

Id have an LCD with 100hz and high contrast ratio over a plasma any day. Some of the Panasonics are fantastic.I wouldn't say plasma have a better picture as a whole over LCD.

Panasonics flagship models , the models that cost the most and appeal to those who will accept nothing but the best on offer , are Plasmas.

LED is the only way to go I think,assuming their life span will be good/

OLED screens are an emerging technology that have the potential to outdo both Plasma ( without a doubt the best tech on offer today ) and LCD. But there are only a few small sets available at very high prices today.

LED backlit screens are nothing more than LCD screens with a different type of backlight , something Samsung were pulled up for by the ASA ,
http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2009/8/Samsung-Electronics-UK-Ltd/TF_ADJ_46783.aspx

Unless were talking about the LG 30inch OLED display , LED sets are no better or no worse than any other LCD screen.

Summing up , what you posted about TV's is indeed very much incorrect , Plasmas are without doubt the best screen tech on offer at this moment in time for both 3D and 2D sets , 3D because crosstalk is less of an issue , 2D because of motion , color accuracy , viewing angle and a host of other things.

rednik

I am going to take the plunge this year. I am getting the JVC X3 projector witha beamax screen. I will have to change my Denon 2309 up to the 2311. This will not be done overnight but from what I have seen it is fantastic. I already have a great sound system all I need now is the right deal to put this together and I will start with John Mc at Richer Sounds.

mad muffin

rednik wrote: »

I am going to take the plunge this year. I am getting the JVC X3 projector witha beamax screen. I will have to change my Denon 2309 up to the 2311. This will not be done overnight but from what I have seen it is fantastic. I already have a great sound system all I need now is the right deal to put this together and I will start with John Mc at Richer Sounds.

A projector is going to be glorious viewing at home.

I was at a friends house a while back and they have a projector, twas awesome .

rednik

mad muffin wrote: »

A projector is going to be glorious viewing at home.

I was at a friends house a while back and they have a projector, twas awesome .

Not as awesome as the price or Kelly Brook in Piranha 3D ;)

UrbanSea

andy1249 wrote: »

Its got nothing to do with the response time of the human eye and everything to do with how the pixels and hence picture on the TV are constructed.


Fair enough,If that's true I'm willing to accept if I'm incorrect.

Gases "going" in Plasmas are a complete and total myth ! Your making that up , at best youve read about this on some flaky sites , but no way have you actually seen it , because it doesnt happen.


Making it up? Naw. Unless people servicing these tvs are totally misinformed or getting dragged into this myth.
Panasonics flagship models , the models that cost the most and appeal to those who will accept nothing but the best on offer , are Plasmas.


See where I said Panasonic tvs are fantastic.
OLED screens are an emerging technology that have the potential to outdo both Plasma ( without a doubt the best tech on offer today ) and LCD. But there are only a few small sets available at very high prices today.
And I'd get one before a 3D,as asked by the OP.
LED backlit screens are nothing more than LCD screens with a different type of backlight , something Samsung were pulled up for by the ASA ,
http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2009/8/Samsung-Electronics-UK-Ltd/TF_ADJ_46783.aspx

Unless were talking about the LG 30inch OLED display , LED sets are no better or no worse than any other LCD screen.
That's incorrect. Many LED sets are without a shout of a doubt miles better than LCD sets.
Summing up , what you posted about TV's is indeed very much incorrect , Plasmas are without doubt the best screen tech on offer at this moment in time for both 3D and 2D sets , 3D because crosstalk is less of an issue , 2D because of motion , color accuracy , viewing angle and a host of other things.

Fair enough,my opinion no, yours yes.

UrbanSea

Edit:My post came up included in yours for some reason.

andy1249

That's incorrect. Many LED sets are without a shout of a doubt miles better than LCD sets.

Read the adjudication , the vast majority of so called LED sets on the market are actually , and should be called , LED backlit LCD sets , they are all LCD sets , the so called "LED" sets are actually LCD sets just with a different backlight , so how can they be superior to LCD sets when thats exactly what they are.

The only true LED sets are the OLED sets which have very recently come onto the market , and no way could these be confused with any type of LCD panel , they are far superior.

The most common tech for these screens at the moment is in Mobile phones , like the HTC's and the Samsung Galaxy S , the only one with a TV on the market with this technology , as far as I know , is LG. Sony had a 15 inch proof of concept model on show not so long ago , but I dont think this was mass market.

In any case , the majority of "LED" sets that you see in the shops at the moment are actually LCD sets. The backlight is different , which is all your paying for , it is essentially a marketing scam , the buyer is supposed to think hes getting new technology , which is certainly not the case.

UrbanSea

Ok,I'm open to correction.

CorkMan

Regards crosstalk, Samsung have released new firmware for the LE40C750 which has greatly eliminated it.

Fallschirmjager

3d tv...i dont think so for me at least it would not be a major issue
3d projector..yes

i can see myself wearing glasses for a big projector movie night in with the missus, the avatar like movies of this world.

we use the tv for movies when we want to watch something. i have an old projector at the moment but when we upgrade we will prolly go for a 1080p 3d one..>ASSUMING they are not insanely dear.

Smeghain

I bought a Samsung 3D LED TV, no way would i buy a plasma, the 3D works rather well the only problem is that for full 3D to be really immersive it has to fill your full feild of view, at 55" though the tvs dont, but in saying that the tv does great 3D and the picture quality is great, also the @internet tv is good even has skype (if you buy a seperate webcam, from the skype shop)