Depression

Wolfe Tone

Im ok, just feel dead tired despite sleeping 10 hours. Im always tired!

Yourself?

Princess Peach

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Im ok, just feel dead tired despite sleeping 10 hours. Im always tired!

Yourself?

I'm always tired. I could spend all day in bed and still be tired. Thats what I went to the doctor in the first place, I thought I had a disease or something! I'd nap as often as I could during the day too, still do sometimes :P

Soooo hard to get out of bed for work this morning!

Wolfe Tone

Princess Peach wrote: »

I'm always tired. I could spend all day in bed and still be tired. Thats what I went to the doctor in the first place, I thought I had a disease or something! I'd nap as often as I could during the day too, still do sometimes :P

Soooo hard to get out of bed for work this morning!

I leave the alarm clock on the opposite side of the room so I have to get up!!

Princess Peach

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I leave the alarm clock on the opposite side of the room so I have to get up!!

Doesn't work for me! I'll just get back into bed! Sometimes I'll be dressed and ready to leave and I'll get back into bed for another couple of minutes :pac:

Wolfe Tone

Princess Peach wrote: »

Doesn't work for me! I'll just get back into bed! Sometimes I'll be dressed and ready to leave and I'll get back into bed for another couple of minutes :pac:

Now that is lazy! :pac: I always end up running late and skipping brekky

Princess Peach

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Now that is lazy! :pac: I always end up running late and skipping brekky

I never eat breakfast! For 5 extra minutes in bed I'll stay hungry till my break. I have a Berocca boost then to give me some energy And if I'm not working and I stay in bed during the day, I often just forget to eat!

I never eat breakfast, but I'll always manage to look halfway decent!

kowloon

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I leave the alarm clock on the opposite side of the room so I have to get up!!

There's an alarm clock that hides when you press the snooze button.

Neyite

Wibbs wrote: »

It would be my take that many many cases of depression are like "type 2 diabetes of the mind"("real" clinical depression and bipolar more like type 1 diabetes). Environmental, preventable and maybe reversible. It would be my contention that the SSRI type treatments are akin to type 2 diabetes treatments, an easy fix, that papers over the cracks, but until you change your lifestyle not a lot will change and they may actually cause more harm than good.

This is the best description I have heard of when it comes to Depression - In my case, it's been more a case of 'type 2' depression, whereby my personal life was in chaotic and my professional life was stressful, so by changing the environments I surrounded myself with, and talking through things with a counsellor within a year I was fully back on track, however instead of the 'diet advise' a type 2 diabetic would get (in this case counselling, exercise etc) when I initially went to the GP, I got strong SSRI's given to me. I knew all I needed was to talk so I delayed filling my prescription until into a few sessions with my counsellor, and with her guidance didnt need pills after all. It was the equivelant of giving insulin to a non insulin dependant diabetic.

However I do have a relative who's depression is so dark and scary that it bares little or no resemblance to what I was diagnosed with. She would fit easily into your 'type 1'. Her meds are as crucial as insulin is to a type 1 diabetic.

the problem is that the often simplest solution for situational depression is talking it out with a counsellor, and that, in this country is so very hard to access, and unless you have access to a campus counsellor, or ar prepared to wait on a public waiting list, or just pay money you dont have, your only other form of assistance is in pill form. Counselling should be first and foremost- this thread has shown how much people want to engage, understand and try to manage what is going on in their head.

Thats not to say that one is a 'lesser' depression than the other - like diabeties, irrespective of whether its type 1 or 2, both can still bring on a coma if mismanged or ignored. In the same way, just because the effects may be subtler, does not mean that the depression sufferer is not at risk of suicide - most victims leave behind a full social life and a very bewildered family because they simply did not 'look' depressed.

I wonder if doctors over-prescribe to be over cautious, in case of a lawsuit, or is it that they have no means of an alternative to pills to offer people who present as depressed?

pheasant tail

Im glad reading that mussolini and princess im not alone,i set my phone an hour before i have to get up for work,and i snooze the whole hour and never get up in time and never get time for something to eat!And come home from work the last week maybe more,,and go to bed and sleep,dont think get to sleep for ages as i dont want to wake up in the morning
Its frustrating but not the worst,just hard to break the habit ive got into!:)

Princess Peach

Princess Peach wrote: »

Doesn't work for me! I'll just get back into bed!

Same as, never worked for me.

yahoo_moe

Out of curiosity, would people here like some kind of mental health charity presence here on Boards? Or is PI enough?

I work with a mental health charity and was looking into an official Boards account before but could never get the full go-ahead... seemed like a shame to me when unofficial accounts for poker companies, etc. are allowed.

(I'm not knocking PI by the way - I think the mods there do a smashing job!)

Wolfe Tone

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Out of curiosity, would people here like some kind of mental health charity presence here on Boards? Or is PI enough?

I work with a mental health charity and was looking into an official Boards account before but could never get the full go-ahead... seemed like a shame to me when unofficial accounts for poker companies, etc. are allowed.

(I'm not knocking PI by the way - I think the mods there do a smashing job!)

That sounds a terrific idea.

Erica<3

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't realise that. Are all counselors under the HSE, or are there some that operate independently of them?

How is everybody doing today?

Sorry for getting back to you so late.

For HSE counselling service - you need a referral. However if you want to go to someone outside of the health service, it is good to go through your doctor as he will know who he considers the best and also if he calls up for you and says it's urgent they are more likely to see you quicker. That's what I've found anyway.

yahoo_moe

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Out of curiosity, would people here like some kind of mental health charity presence here on Boards? Or is PI enough?

I work with a mental health charity and was looking into an official Boards account before but could never get the full go-ahead... seemed like a shame to me when unofficial accounts for poker companies, etc. are allowed.

(I'm not knocking PI by the way - I think the mods there do a smashing job!)

Actually I had a similar idea, somewhat like Ranting & Raving where people have to ask for access where people can talk about this subject in peace, but your idea sounds much better as you guys would have experience with it. If you want to request a forum you do it here, though I think there's a freeze on new forums being created? I could be wrong on that.

Alice1

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

That sounds a terrific idea.

Oh yes, agreed - I wish someone had offered me the services of something like that.

Having had Post Natal Depression after my first baby I was (naturally) a bit worried after having my second baby. I mentioned it to a nurse who tutted and later dropped a leaflet on my bed without a word. The leaflet was two years out of date! By good fortune and the grace of God, I avoided the worst of the PND after my second baby - however, I do think the response by the nurse was less than helpful.

th3 s1aught3r

Yeah I suffer on and off with it. It is insidious and creeps up on people. was probably music that saved me more than anything else, with my band and writing songs.
I think if a person has something to engage them both mentally and physically then that can help in dealing with this

yahoo_moe

Deleted User wrote: »

If you want to request a forum you do it here, though I think there's a freeze on new forums being created? I could be wrong on that.

It wasn't so much a new forum I was thinking about, more an official account for the charity which could participate in PI, Long-Term Illness, etc. where people were already talking about depression or mental health. Even Finance and more places eventually.

I think one of the issues was the fear of upsetting the balance that's there in PI at the moment, which is fair enough and something I understand. I never got a definite 'no' though so if there was enough interest, I could check on it again.

One possibility is to send one of the mods of PI a private message, just asking them if they would consider it, then possibly going to either Feedback or Help Desk (I never know which would be more relevant in different areas) and asking them there, where you might get a reply from an admin/community manager. They may ask you to email hello@boards.ie (I think is the email address) if you want to become an official representative, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

Sardonicat

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Out of curiosity, would people here like some kind of mental health charity presence here on Boards? Or is PI enough?

I work with a mental health charity and was looking into an official Boards account before but could never get the full go-ahead... seemed like a shame to me when unofficial accounts for poker companies, etc. are allowed.

(I'm not knocking PI by the way - I think the mods there do a smashing job!)

Totally against the idea.

Odysseus

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Out of curiosity, would people here like some kind of mental health charity presence here on Boards? Or is PI enough?

I work with a mental health charity and was looking into an official Boards account before but could never get the full go-ahead... seemed like a shame to me when unofficial accounts for poker companies, etc. are allowed.

(I'm not knocking PI by the way - I think the mods there do a smashing job!)

Sorry if I'm picking you up wrong, are you suggesting that boards set up something where people would offer mental health advice? If so it could never happen, it would be akin to offering medical advice.

WalterMitty

Lets organise online group therapy through boards using webcams and a chatroom or just skype voice. Participants must sign a disclaimer that noting said by another group member is medical advice from boards but that individuals own opion based on his/her experiences with mental health issues.

foxinsox

Although I think this is a fantastic thread and it is great to talk about everyone's experience... and I do see where some of you are coming from suggesting online help... but there is information/help online and your own doctor is best qualified to assess your situation.

Nothing ever will substitute a qualified professional assessing a patient and using their experience and training to make an accurate diagnosis.

EVERY person is unique and can react in different ways to an mental illness.

Different medications/treatments can work great for one person and be a catastrophe for others. I have experienced being on unsuitable meds for me and also dealt with a counsellor that was not at all appropriate for me.

Don't get me wrong, it is great to make others aware of depression and get people talking about it, just advice needs to be taken from professionals and although it might help to hear other peoples' experiences it does not in anyway mean that your experience is or will be the same..

Hope you are all doing well

Odysseus

WalterMitty wrote: »

Lets organise online group therapy through boards using webcams and a chatroom or just skype voice. Participants must sign a disclaimer that noting said by another group member is medical advice from boards but that individuals own opion based on his/her experiences with mental health issues.

Whilst self-help groups can be quite helpful for some people, I have seen 100s of people damaged by well meaning advice from such groups.

Throughout this thread it has been suggested by multiple users multiple times that if you think you may be depressed to go talk to a counselor or a doctor, so I'm really hoping that people are doing that.

foxinsox

Odysseus wrote: »

Whilst self-help groups can be quite helpful for some people, I have seen 100s of people damaged by well meaning advice from such groups.

I went to my "local" meet up of a well known "thing" not sure whether it is a charity... but anyway talk about depressing...

To be honest it totally scared the crap out of me and if anything brought me down thinking that that was what my life could become. Just there were people that were suffering from depression but not one could I relate to, just goes to show that it really does affect people in so many ways.


The most important thing in my experience is that you might have to "shop around" so to speak to find what works for you.
You will find your way of "fixing" yourself with the help of your doctor/counsellor.

Odysseus

As you said foxinsox the main thing to do, is do with it a professional, that's what we are here for:)

pheasant tail

Can i just ask someone,what are the effects of anxiety for someone that is suffering depression,or how is it seen,or does it over-lap or what....???

yahoo_moe

Odysseus wrote: »

Sorry if I'm picking you up wrong, are you suggesting that boards set up something where people would offer mental health advice? If so it could never happen, it would be akin to offering medical advice.

Support, not advice. Big difference. Our volunteers don't have medical training and so don't offer medical advice. But what they are trained to do is give people support and try to encourage them to get the help they need. Whether that ends up being medical treatment, counselling, CBT or anything else is for themselves and others to decide but a bit of support through the tough times can count for a lot.

For the almost 200 people in this thread who are suffering from depression with no help, please please please talk to someone. You don't have to suffer alone - sure you can see already in this thread that others are going through similar situations right now. So please talk to a friend or loved one or (even better) check in with your doctor and let him/her know how you're feeling.

You can recover from this, as shown by plenty of people in this thread. So please give yourself the best chance by getting support from anywhere you can.

Kiera

I have a question:

Why do depressed people only pick up on the negative part of a conversation or turn something that may not be negative into something negative?

steddyeddy

Kiera wrote: »

I have a question:

Why do depressed people only pick up on the negative part of a conversation or turn something that may not be negative into something negative?

I wouldnt say thats nessacerily depression but narsicisstic rage maybe as a result of a narscisstic wound. maybe they were hurt before and its a defense mechanisim.