Is ignoring Mike Ross the beginning of the end for Declan Kidney

SARZY

What is the real reason why the national coach refuses to recognise this mans ability.
Is it 'personal'.
If it is then does Kidney have any right to hold on to his job.
If its not then does Kidney have any right to hold on to his job.

Stev_o

These messiah claims really need to stop. As much as a great scrummager Ross is it's not suddenly going to make the National squad suddenly be world beaters.

Risteard

No one says he'll make us world beaters but he might be able to help shore up the scrum at the very least and give our backs something to attack from other than a lineout for a change.

CouchSmart

The problem is he has gone from sub prop to prop hero in the space of 3 months. DK has probably had a 2 year plan in place that between Hayes and Buckley we'd just have to learn to survive. Most people will criticise him for being so stubborn and not straying from this plan, myself included, but this decisivness is probably what got him to where he is. That being said I have high hopes he's currently drafting a new 8 month plan which involves getting Ross as much game time as possible prior to the WC as it's clear for all to see Hayes and Buckley aren't adequate.

While he won't make us world beaters he'll certainly help our game. Currently we're being told that Ireland are trying to play a dynamic fast passing game but such a game plan comes with the down fall of lots of errors (knock ons). These knock ons lead to scrums which in turn lead to penalties when Buckley and Hayes play. This then puts doubt into the players minds over this tactic and they revert to kick kick kick or else continue with the original plan and concede penalty after penalty. Ross would stop this stream of penalties and so the belief will be there to take risks.

thehighground

SARZY wrote: »

What is the real reason why the national coach refuses to recognise this mans ability.
Is it 'personal'.
If it is then does Kidney have any right to hold on to his job.
If its not then does Kidney have any right to hold on to his job.

1 or 2 swallows doesn't make a summer. Ross has improved big time in his overall game, but that is fairly recent (his last two games for Leinster).

He was poor enough against the Ospreys during the AIs when Leinster conceeded a penalty try.

So, in short, his good form is recent enough so its a bit soon to be sacking the head coach and if Kidney should be sacked, so should Greg Feek & Gert Smal as well.

Crash

Wasn't that when Ed O'Donoghue and Madigan were both yellow carded? Not the best situation to be in on your own line, wouldn't put it down to Ross too much.

CouchSmart

thehighground wrote: »

1 or 2 swallows doesn't make a summer. Ross has improved big time in his overall game, but that is fairly recent (his last two games for Leinster).

He was poor enough against the Ospreys during the AIs when Leinster conceeded a penalty try.

So, in short, his good form is recent enough so its a bit soon to be sacking the head coach and if Kidney should be sacked, so should Greg Feek & Gert Smal as well.

He has been good all season, not just the last two games.

That penalty try was conceded when Ed O'Donoghue was in the bin, 7 man scrum with Rhys Ruddock pushing from the second row, if I remember correctly. Most props would struggle in a 7 man scrum never mind with a 20 year old flanker behind them.

Head coach picks the team.

Stev_o

CouchSmart wrote: »

He has been good all season, not just the last two games.

That penalty try was conceded when Ed O'Donoghue was in the bin, 7 man scrum with Rhys Ruddock pushing from the second row, if I remember correctly. Most props would struggle in a 7 man scrum never mind with a 20 year old flanker behind them.

Head coach picks the team.

It's basically a 5 man scrum in those situations anyway.

Don't agree with the OP at all.

I think that Ross had been very impressive in Guinness Premiership, but actually stalled when he got to Leinster.

This season, when the opportunity for good gametime came, he snapped at it with both greedy fat prop arms!

Kidney had a blindspot for him, because based on last 18 months, he wouldn't deserve a game. However, in stark familiarity with SOB. He's essentially forced Kidney to consider him based on his games this season.

Not including him in the AI's isn't a huge deal, the real test will be whether we see him in the 6Ns and if we're going to see a lot of chopping/changing and experimenting.

thehighground

Crash wrote: »

Wasn't that when Ed O'Donoghue and Madigan were both yellow carded? Not the best situation to be in on your own line, wouldn't put it down to Ross too much.

What would you put the Munster front row (Wian du Preez, Denis Fogarty and John Hayes) not conceeding a try in the game against Northampton (front row consisting of Tongauiha, Hartley and Murray) in the HCup when Paul O'Connell was carded by our good friend M Poitre ?

Since it was during the AIs, that would not have been the Ospreys first choice.

Video highlights of the game here of that match (including the penalty try).

http://www.magnersleague.com/matchdaytv/play/media/id/6748

thehighground

thehighground wrote: »

What would you put the Munster front row (Wian du Preez, Denis Fogarty and John Hayes) not conceeding a try in the game against Northampton (front row consisting of Tongauiha, Hartley and Murray) in the HCup when Paul O'Connell was carded by our good friend M Poitre ?

Since it was during the AIs, that would not have been the Ospreys first choice.

Video highlights of the game here of that match (including the penalty try).

http://www.magnersleague.com/matchdaytv/play/media/id/6748

wtf? This is irrelevant

We get it, you are a true Munsterman, you'd rather die than see ROG wear a blue Jersey. You don't need to bring it up in every thread, making everything about Munster and drawing up some irrelevant anecdotal youtubes.

For every video of a team not conceding when they've a player binned, you could find 10 of them conceding. That video proves absolutely nothing.

I've tried to be as diplomatic as possible in every thread on here, but its just so frustrating to see you at this all the time. Can you not see that you're antagonising a situation for almost no reason. Its not fair to call someone out on thread, so I will delete/edit this if you or a mod PM me to do so. But please thehighground, and others, can we just have a bit of common decency and diplomacy for a change.

You're absolutely killing a worthwhile forum

almighty1

I agree that Ross has been the best irish TH in the Magners League and HC this year. He undoubtedly is a better scrummager than Buckley.

However at the end of the day its if Kidney places more emphasis on his TH being "good-in-the-loose" (Buckley) or actually being able to scrum (Ross).

I'd be surprised if Kidney chooses Ross over Buckley mainly because SOB will certainly oust Wallace at 7.

anonymous_joe

Ross is from Munster. Kidney refused to give him a pro contract, which is why he went to England.

I'm assuming that's his problem.

almighty1

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Ross is from Munster. Kidney refused to give him a pro contract, which is why he went to England.

I'm assuming that's his problem.

If that is the reason and Ross isn't picked for the 6 nations then the OP might in fact be spot on.

stejkenny

Deleted User wrote: »

wtf? This is irrelevant

We get it, you are a true Munsterman, you'd rather die than see ROG wear a blue Jersey. You don't need to bring it up in every thread, making everything about Munster and drawing up some irrelevant anecdotal youtubes.

For every video of a team not conceding when they've a player binned, you could find 10 of them conceding. That video proves absolutely nothing.

I've tried to be as diplomatic as possible in every thread on here, but its just so frustrating to see you at this all the time. Can you not see that you're antagonising a situation for almost no reason. Its not fair to call someone out on thread, so I will delete/edit this if you or a mod PM me to do so. But please thehighground, and others, can we just have a bit of common decency and diplomacy for a change.

You're absolutely killing a worthwhile forum

Yep i've mentioned this before about certain people being absolutely without a doubt totally precious about certain players from certain provinces, and even when there is no need, have come out all guns blazing, where they feel some need to defend what isnt there.

This is a thread about Ross being ignored completely from the international set up; not Munsters front row.

thehighground

Deleted User wrote: »

wtf? This is irrelevant

We get it, you are a true Munsterman, you'd rather die than see ROG wear a blue Jersey. You don't need to bring it up in every thread, making everything about Munster and drawing up some irrelevant anecdotal youtubes.

For every video of a team not conceding when they've a player binned, you could find 10 of them conceding. That video proves absolutely nothing.

I've tried to be as diplomatic as possible in every thread on here, but its just so frustrating to see you at this all the time. Can you not see that you're antagonising a situation for almost no reason. Its not fair to call someone out on thread, so I will delete/edit this if you or a mod PM me to do so. But please thehighground, and others, can we just have a bit of common decency and diplomacy for a change.

You're absolutely killing a worthwhile forum

I'm sorry if I my way of producing factual evidence to support my OPINION upsets you. Surely the purpose of this forum is to have alternative views or should just everyone agree with what is posted.

My point is and remains - Ross has had two good games AFTER the AIs - he was good against Racing and there were hardly any scrums against Saracens to judge. In the Magners, he played 4 games PRIOR to the AIs where he was ok, but nothing to suggest his all round game was of international standard. (note I say ALL ROUND GAME, his scrummaging has always been good).

Surely someone suggesting that Kidney should be sacked because he didn't pick him for the AIs is far worse than I posting that opinion that he hadn't shown enough to be picked at that stage?

I'm sorry if you don't like different opinions on this message board or my style - maybe you should stick to a message board where everyone just agrees with you.

Deleted User

You realise I agree with you on the Ross thing?
Look at the post directly before yours.

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't agree with the OP at all.

I think that Ross had been very impressive in Guinness Premiership, but actually stalled when he got to Leinster.

This season, when the opportunity for good gametime came, he snapped at it with both greedy fat prop arms!

Kidney had a blindspot for him, because based on last 18 months, he wouldn't deserve a game. However, in stark familiarity with SOB. He's essentially forced Kidney to consider him based on his games this season.

Not including him in the AI's isn't a huge deal, the real test will be whether we see him in the 6Ns and if we're going to see a lot of chopping/changing and experimenting.

However, you are acting like an incendiary in most threads, drumming up drama where there just doesn't need to be any. It is a lot easier to avoid all the Lei/Mun BS if people don't constantly stoke the fire.

thehighground

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise I agree with you on the Ross thing?
Look at the post directly before yours.

However, you are acting like an incendiary in most threads, drumming up drama where there just doesn't need to be any. It is a lot easier to avoid all the Lei/Mun BS if people don't constantly stoke the fire.[/QUOTE]

The topic is how good Ross is. Some people claim he has been fantastic all season. I disagree with them.

Crash & a few others said that you wouldn't expect to not conceed a penalty try when down a forward. I'm pointing out that what is a poor scrummaging unit did manage to not conceed a try and you would expect a bit more from Ross who is a very good scrummager.

A good plan for everyone would be to bear in mind that the teams we know best happen to be the Irish teams because we see them play most and not read every little comment as some sort of a slight or other.

corny

In answer to the OP question i think it is personal. Ross could continue on in this form for the next month or so all while Buckley gets destroyed week in week out. It'll make no difference. For my money Buckley if fit will start the 6N's and Ross will be lucky if he makes the extended squad. I pray i'm wrong of course but if true Kidney should live and die by the sword. A couple of poor results and he should be shown the door.

thehighground

thehighground wrote: »

Crash & a few others said that you wouldn't expect to not conceed a penalty try when down a forward. I'm pointing out that what is a poor scrummaging unit did manage to not conceed a try and you would expect a bit more from Ross who is a very good scrummager.

And your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant for the most part. Just because one time, something didn't happen that was expected to, doesn't make that irrefutable evidence.
Example
"Brian O'Driscoll is Ireland's top try scorer"
- But here's a video of a game where O'Driscoll didn't score a try.

It's almost completely meaningless

thehighground wrote: »

A good plan for everyone would be to bear in mind that the teams we know best happen to be the Irish teams because we see them play most and not read every little comment as some sort of a slight or other.

This is the most ironic sentence I've ever seen on boards.ie

irishbucsfan

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Ross is from Munster. Kidney refused to give him a pro contract, which is why he went to England.

I'm assuming that's his problem.

It's not that. Eoin Reddan wouldn't speak Kidney at one point because Reddan turned down offers to move to English teams to go to Munster on the back of Kidney promising him first-team rugby. Then when Reddan was ignored at Munster he got agitated and moved to Wasps. Nowadays Kidney has no problem picking Reddan for Ireland based on his form for Leinster.

I don't think Kidney's policy on Ross is based on their time together at Munster.

stejkenny

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's not that. Eoin Reddan wouldn't speak Kidney at one point because Reddan turned down offers to move to English teams to go to Munster on the back of Kidney promising him first-team rugby. Then when Reddan was ignored at Munster he got agitated and moved to Wasps. Nowadays Kidney has no problem picking Reddan for Ireland based on his form for Leinster.

I don't think Kidney's policy on Ross is based on their time together at Munster.

Whats Kidney's problem so??

CouchSmart

Meh.

murphym7

SARZY wrote: »

What is the real reason why the national coach refuses to recognise this mans ability.
Is it 'personal'.
If it is then does Kidney have any right to hold on to his job.
If its not then does Kidney have any right to hold on to his job.

What a Ridiculous thread, whether Kidney has the right to hold onto his job because he does not select Ross. Ridiculous, topic has been talked about to death in about 100 other threads Yawn..............O'Gara/Sexton Yawn.............. Leinster V's Munster Yawn..............

irishbucsfan

stejkenny wrote: »

Whats Kidney's problem so??

John Hayes is centrally contracted and Mike Ross is not.

bamboozle

Mike Ross has added a new facet to the Leinster pack as all of a sudden they are using the scrum as a platform for attacking teams.

Clermont are a serious scrummaging unit & Leinster were comfortable, huge credit is due to Ross & Healy.

thehighground

Deleted User wrote: »

And your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant for the most part. Just because one time, something didn't happen that was expected to, doesn't make that irrefutable evidence.
Example
"Brian O'Driscoll is Ireland's top try scorer"
- But here's a video of a game where O'Driscoll didn't score a try.

It's almost completely meaningless



This is the most ironic sentence I've ever seen on boards.ie

I've made my point and I won't be contributing to this thread again.

irishbucsfan

bamboozle wrote: »

Clermont are a serious scrummaging unit & Leinster were comfortable, huge credit is due to Ross & Healy.

And Heinke Van de Merwe, and the uncredited hero Richardt Strauss.

corny

Have Leinster hired a new scrum coach recently? I thought i heard someone mention this to me a while back. Could have made it up though.:)

RuggieBear

murphym7 wrote: »

What a Ridiculous thread, whether Kidney has the right to hold onto his job because he does not select Ross. Ridiculous, topic has been talked about to death in about 100 other threads Yawn..............O'Gara/Sexton Yawn.............. Leinster V's Munster Yawn..............

Deleted User wrote: »

wtf? This is irrelevant

We get it, you are a true Munsterman, you'd rather die than see ROG wear a blue Jersey. You don't need to bring it up in every thread, making everything about Munster and drawing up some irrelevant anecdotal youtubes.

For every video of a team not conceding when they've a player binned, you could find 10 of them conceding. That video proves absolutely nothing.

I've tried to be as diplomatic as possible in every thread on here, but its just so frustrating to see you at this all the time. Can you not see that you're antagonising a situation for almost no reason. Its not fair to call someone out on thread, so I will delete/edit this if you or a mod PM me to do so. But please thehighground, and others, can we just have a bit of common decency and diplomacy for a change.

You're absolutely killing a worthwhile forum

thehighground wrote: »

I'm sorry if I my way of producing factual evidence to support my OPINION upsets you. Surely the purpose of this forum is to have alternative views or should just everyone agree with what is posted.

My point is and remains - Ross has had two good games AFTER the AIs - he was good against Racing and there were hardly any scrums against Saracens to judge. In the Magners, he played 4 games PRIOR to the AIs where he was ok, but nothing to suggest his all round game was of international standard. (note I say ALL ROUND GAME, his scrummaging has always been good).

Surely someone suggesting that Kidney should be sacked because he didn't pick him for the AIs is far worse than I posting that opinion that he hadn't shown enough to be picked at that stage?

I'm sorry if you don't like different opinions on this message board or my style - maybe you should stick to a message board where everyone just agrees with you.

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise I agree with you on the Ross thing?
Look at the post directly before yours.




However, you are acting like an incendiary in most threads, drumming up drama where there just doesn't need to be any. It is a lot easier to avoid all the Lei/Mun BS if people don't constantly stoke the fire.

Deleted User wrote: »

And your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant for the most part. Just because one time, something didn't happen that was expected to, doesn't make that irrefutable evidence.
Example
"Brian O'Driscoll is Ireland's top try scorer"
- But here's a video of a game where O'Driscoll didn't score a try.

It's almost completely meaningless



This is the most ironic sentence I've ever seen on boards.ie

off topic
munster leinster ****e.
derailing thread.
all banned

PhatPiggins

corny wrote: »

Have Leinster hired a new scrum coach recently? I thought i heard someone mention this to me a while back. Could have made it up though.:)

Greg Feek , getting glowing reports by all accounts.

Its been mentioned in a few media outlets that Ross's attitude in the Ireland session's has stood against him. I don't know how true that is, perhaps Justin could comment on it.

corny

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Greg Feek , getting glowing reports by all accounts.

Its been mentioned in a few media outlets that Ross's attitude in the Ireland session's has stood against him. I don't know how true that is, perhaps Justin could comment on it.

Really is amazing what a good coach can do. 6 months ago we'd have been marched backwards by that Clermont front row.

SARZY

corny wrote: »

In answer to the OP question i think it is personal. Ross could continue on in this form for the next month or so all while Buckley gets destroyed week in week out. It'll make no difference. For my money Buckley if fit will start the 6N's and Ross will be lucky if he makes the extended squad. I pray i'm wrong of course but if true Kidney should live and die by the sword. A couple of poor results and he should be shown the door.

I started this only because I myself believe it is personal. And Kidney doesnt have the luxury, or shouldnt have, of private squabbles and indeed vendettas, against players no matter who they are or where they come from.
For Ross to be ignored when we are not exactly brimming with players in his position, after his successes in England and with Leinster (limited thru no fault) is a disgrace IMO.
I agree with above quote, he should be shown the door if he carries personal baggage over to the National team.

OldRio

I do think that Kidneys position could become untenable if he ignores Mick Ross. We can all see what the problem is.
We will see what happens in the 6N.

pappyodaniel

The title of this thread is a bit ridiculous to say the least. I do disagree with Kidney ignoring Sean O'Brien in the AIs and since then SOB's form for Leinster has been superb (just like the pre AIs). A la, Mike Ross is only just hitting his stride now and is finally earning his place at club level. I personally think he should be brought to the WC ahead of Hayes, if he keeps doing the business he won't be ignored.
Ross aside problems persist in our front row. Cian Healy played much worse than T Buckley in the AIs and I am more worried about his capabilities than our tighthead. What Healy has over Buckley is his tender age for a prop, if he can learn to scrummage and if he can stay injury free he could be immense.

CouchSmart

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Cian Healy played much worse than T Buckley in the AIs and I am more worried about his capabilities than our tighthead. What Healy has over Buckley is his tender age for a prop, if he can learn to scrummage and if he can stay injury free he could be immense.

I know it's off topic but, eh, are you being serious?

bamboozle

pappyodaniel wrote: »

The title of this thread is a bit ridiculous to say the least. I do disagree with Kidney ignoring Sean O'Brien in the AIs and since then SOB's form for Leinster has been superb (just like the pre AIs). A la, Mike Ross is only just hitting his stride now and is finally earning his place at club level. I personally think he should be brought to the WC ahead of Hayes, if he keeps doing the business he won't be ignored.
Ross aside problems persist in our front row. Cian Healy played much worse than T Buckley in the AIs and I am more worried about his capabilities than our tighthead. What Healy has over Buckley is his tender age for a prop, if he can learn to scrummage and if he can stay injury free he could be immense.

and the ridiculous quote of the year goes to.....

did you watch any of the Autumn Internationals?

stejkenny

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Cian Healy played much worse than T Buckley in the AIs and I am more worried about his capabilities than our tighthead.

Dear Jim can you please fix it for me so that i can have whatever this guy was smoking!! It sounds whack!!

stephen_n

CouchSmart wrote: »

The problem is he has gone from sub prop to prop hero in the space of 3 months. DK has probably had a 2 year plan in place that between Hayes and Buckley we'd just have to learn to survive. Most people will criticise him for being so stubborn and not straying from this plan, myself included, but this decisivness is probably what got him to where he is. That being said I have high hopes he's currently drafting a new 8 month plan which involves getting Ross as much game time as possible prior to the WC as it's clear for all to see Hayes and Buckley aren't adequate.

While he won't make us world beaters he'll certainly help our game. Currently we're being told that Ireland are trying to play a dynamic fast passing game but such a game plan comes with the down fall of lots of errors (knock ons). These knock ons lead to scrums which in turn lead to penalties when Buckley and Hayes play. This then puts doubt into the players minds over this tactic and they revert to kick kick kick or else continue with the original plan and concede penalty after penalty. Ross would stop this stream of penalties and so the belief will be there to take risks.

If Kidney is basing a two year plan coming up to a world cup on a prop who is way past his sell by date and another who has a lot of questions to answer about his ability to scrummage, then serious questions would need to be asked about his suitability as coach. Furthermore formulating a two year plan and sticking to it rigidly and ignoring form completely would be extremely amateurish.

SARZY

pappyodaniel wrote: »

The title of this thread is a bit ridiculous to say the least. I do disagree with Kidney ignoring Sean O'Brien in the AIs and since then SOB's form for Leinster has been superb (just like the pre AIs). A la, Mike Ross is only just hitting his stride now and is finally earning his place at club level. I personally think he should be brought to the WC ahead of Hayes, if he keeps doing the business he won't be ignored.
Ross aside problems persist in our front row. Cian Healy played much worse than T Buckley in the AIs and I am more worried about his capabilities than our tighthead. What Healy has over Buckley is his tender age for a prop, if he can learn to scrummage and if he can stay injury free he could be immense.

As you say yourself, "a la, Mike Ross is only just hitting his stride now", have you been away for a while. As for our options in that position, we all know Buckley and Hayes or Court (out of position) are NOT the answer and never will be. God forbid that we ever see an Irish tighthead prop mangled as Buckley was in Swansea.
Time to leave the personal baggage back in Cork for our esteemed coach.

PhatPiggins

OldRio wrote: »

I do think that Kidneys position could become untenable if he ignores Mick Ross. We can all see what the problem is.
We will see what happens in the 6N.

What if we win another triple crown or six nations but Ross doesn't play any part in it?

Is his position still untenable?

stejkenny

PhatPiggins wrote: »

What if we win another triple crown or six nations but Ross doesn't play any part in it?

Is his position still untenable?

What of we lose another five or six matches in a row and have a rubbish scrum??? Is his position still untenable??

PhatPiggins

stejkenny wrote: »

What of we lose another five or six matches in a row and have a rubbish scrum??? Is his position still untenable??

Er obviously it would be. Its not untenable now but to say he has to go if he doesn't pick Ross regardless of results would be dull.

LeeroyJones

I'm open to correction, but I seem to remember reading that it is Gert Smal who doesn't rate him (high enough).

In any event, just because a few fans and pundits rate him doesn't mean that Kidney must. At the end of the day it was Kidney et al who dealt with the panel on a daily basis so we must respect that he is in the best position to judge. I for one would prefer to have a coach who goes on his on line of thought and is strong enough to ignore media pressure.
The fact that Kidney had Ross on the panel shows that Ross is in his plans, but he chose to go another way.
After Buckley's summer performances I have no qualms with him getting a prolonged run. Also, do we just ignore the fact that Kidney made a good call by starting Court at tight? He held his own, and more, against the All Blacks. There is the issue of persisting with Hayes as the next option, which I admit I cannot even find a reason for this!

stejkenny

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Er obviously it would be. Its not untenable now but to say he has to go if he doesn't pick Ross regardless of results would be dull.

Fair enough i think if hes going anywhere then i think he should go to specsavers if hes going to continue ignoring both Ross and O' Brien. Quite clearly on form players.

d'Oracle

Eh....Did I miss an international?

I.e. he has a stormer in a match between international windows and all of a sudden Kidney should lose his job?

This is more than a little illogical

PhatPiggins

stejkenny wrote: »

Fair enough i think if hes going anywhere then i think he should go to specsavers if hes going to continue ignoring both Ross and O' Brien. Quite clearly on form players.

There's no way he can possibly ignore O'Brien but thats off topic. I think Ross should get a look in. Lets be honest he was poor last season and while he should be picked on current form to really cement his claim he needs to keep playing as he is till february. Good on him through if he hadn't made the most of his trial at Quins he probably wouldn't be playing rugby now.

danthefan

The more Leinster players kept away from this Ireland setup the better as far as I'm concerned now. Ross definitely won't get picked, so happy days.

mar-z

I'm going to take the middle road here. Buckley had his place in the team and did well enough on the Summer tour that I was happy him being the no.1 th coming into the AI's. Our other options (near the squad) then are Hayes, Ross and Court. Ignoring people's actual opinions on any of these players, how not all of these 4 players were given at a minimum 20-30mins in one of the two 'lesser' tests astounds me, especially when there were claims of building a squad. What happens if there are injuries coming up to the world cup? We then have internationally inexperienced players needing to step up.

But to call for Kidney's head is far too premature. If Ross isn't given his chance (at least in the Italy match where the scrum is so important to their play) in the 6 nations I wont be happy about it though (barring a major collapse he will be the form player then).

stejkenny

d'Oracle wrote: »

Eh....Did I miss an international?

I.e. he has a stormer in a match between international windows and all of a sudden Kidney should lose his job?

This is more than a little illogical

Yes you did miss something; After the Argentina match Kidney mentioned Team building; guess who he mentioned in terms of team building for the front row??

Marcus Horan, John Hayes:eek:

Hes had more than a stormer in one match?? hes been holding up the Leinster scrum for the last few months.

Actually theres been screams for him to be picked all over this site for months!! Where have you been??

trackguy

danthefan wrote: »

The more Leinster players kept away from this Ireland setup the better as far as I'm concerned now. Ross definitely won't get picked, so happy days.

Why? Are they being ruined by Ireland or something?

Don't be so melodramatic.