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Divorcing a BMW 5 series!

  • 20-12-2010 11:32pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31


    Hi all!

    I have a 520d m Sport which after the last month of snow, I have decided to get rid of!

    I want something that is reasonable to run, which rules out a whole host of 4x4s. Also I want something that will get me around in the snow, altho I dont expect it to climb walls and drive up the side of a mountain! I have pretty much narrowed my options to:
    2009 Audi A6
    2010 Audi A4 (Saloon or Avant)
    2010 Freelander 2

    Anyone got any better ideas or comments?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Biglad


    A6 Avant 2.0 TDi 170bhp with winter tyres would be my choice, or drop another year or two and get the allroad :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭JerCotter7


    Get a 320xcd M-Sport. But you have to order from Germany and can't get RHD :(

    Out of your list if you want the same size that knocks the A4 out of your choices.

    If you are willing to spend some money and never want to get stuck you could try something a bit bigger?
    olifant_tank1.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 mrbig73


    Probably should have said my budget is about 35k!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    Most cars with good inters will get you around most of the place considering the Winters we have.

    Id go for the A6.

    EDIT:

    Just realised that the reasoning for switching may be purely based on the snow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭666bxg


    I have an E60 and have swapped my 275 profile 18" wheels to humble 16" with winter tyres and now have no problem getting around the snow and ice.

    I'm sure getting new wheels will be much more cost effective than changing to a new(er) car?

    Good luck


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Piri


    Buy 4 winter tyres


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 mrbig73


    WEll the snow is one BIG reason, but also I want a change! So now is probably a good time as any! Once i can get the beemer moving!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    mrbig73 wrote: »
    WEll the snow is one BIG reason, but also I want a change! So now is probably a good time as any! Once i can get the beemer moving!

    There is no way I could warrant changing a car with the snow even slightly being the reason for it.

    Winter tyres will sort you out for the most part. Driving style will do even more, if its a problem.

    If you are bored with the car in general, as in, if you were driving around in the Summer at you hated the 5 series I do like the A6 Avant or the A4 Avant myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭JerCotter7


    mrbig73 wrote: »
    WEll the snow is one BIG reason, but also I want a change! So now is probably a good time as any! Once i can get the beemer moving!

    Beemer is a bike ;)
    Bimmer is a car.

    http://www.bmwccbc.org/misc/tech-and-trivia/bimmer.html

    Just some useless knowledge for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    JerCotter7 wrote: »
    Beemer is a bike ;)
    Bimmer is a car.
    http://www.bmwccbc.org/misc/tech-and-trivia/bimmer.html
    Just some useless knowledge for you.

    This isnt the US. In the UK and Ireland "beemer" has always referred to the car.

    To the OP, the new Audi Allroad, A6 based but Tiered above the A6, looks great:
    picture-095-800x600.jpg

    Costs considerably more, so as mentioned, drop a couple of years and pick up a better-than-A6 A6.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    The current Allroad:

    That 2.7 TDI must be pretty outdated. Its getting 190 bhp when their 4 cylinder 2.0 TDI is getting 170. :S

    EDIT:

    Got my next 81 grand sorted now :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭JerCotter7


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    This isnt the US. In the UK and Ireland "beemer" has always referred to the car.

    http://www.bimmerforums.co.uk/

    The main UK BMW fansite. It's not only the US ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    JerCotter7 wrote: »
    http://www.bimmerforums.co.uk/
    The main UK BMW fansite. It's not only the US ;)
    I could name a site anything I want, what does that prove!? Bimmer is distinctly American, the fact you had to already make this distinction undermines your point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    JerCotter7 wrote: »
    http://www.bimmerforums.co.uk/

    The main UK BMW fansite. It's not only the US ;)

    Nobody cares.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭JerCotter7


    Nobody cares.

    Sorry dear.

    heart3.jpg

    If you don't care delete my posts rather than flaming me. Since you are a MOD and all. But yea flame users instead. Good job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    op take a look at below link, which compare Winter/Snow vs. All-Season vs. Summer Tyres on ice. I had to leave my bmw in a pub car park on the way home earlier, once cars hit a hill even front wheel drive ones, that was it for 95% of them, they just couldnt get up, now even if I had winter or snow tyres, I would have still been sitting in traffic for ages regardless...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYEMH10Z4s

    I reckon between putting winter tyres on and a good bit of weight over the drive wheel, you would have no probs...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    This isnt the US. In the UK and Ireland "beemer" has always referred to the car.

    To the OP, the new Audi Allroad, A6 based but Tiered above the A6, looks great:
    picture-095-800x600.jpg

    Costs considerably more, so as mentioned, drop a couple of years and pick up a better-than-A6 A6.

    I think an xc70 would be as good if not better - I like the look of Audi's but to be fair few of them live up to their sporty looks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Biglad


    bbk wrote: »
    The current Allroad:

    That 2.7 TDI must be pretty outdated. Its getting 190 bhp when their 4 cylinder 2.0 TDI is getting 170. :S

    EDIT:

    Got my next 81 grand sorted now :p

    It's the torque and delivery of the 2.7 6 cylinder that suits the A6 better, especially in the Allroad, but that's personal...I've always liked the Allroad, even with the 2.5Tdi

    Buddy of mine has the 520d M Sport Touring, nice wagon, way to stiff sprung for our roads, SE has nicer suspension set up for around here but M Sport looks better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    what was the jag top gear reviewed in the snow and raved about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrz5ZFwuh28


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    Volvo S80 should be worth a look, as well as the new Saab 9-5.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    A6 quattro gets my vote :D

    few more years and they'll have droped into my price range :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭langdang


    Diesel Subaru legacy as another alternative to consider? Altho it looks like a quattro audi with winter tyres would suit you perfectly.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    I could name a site anything I want, what does that prove!? Bimmer is distinctly American, the fact you had to already make this distinction undermines your point.

    I call them Bimmers as it annoys BMW folk :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Piri


    If you buy a quattro it will not move with summer tyres as well
    You will see
    520d is the highest MPG compared to same class and a very good car indeed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,569 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    just find out what they do in munich, i think they are made there, they get a bit of snow and i saw quite a few driving around in fact a guy i know used to go skiing every weekend in his, wonder how he mananged to drive to the ski resorts ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    OP as has already been stated by others put winter tires on for the next few months if you still feel the same way sell the car in the spring.

    I spoke to a friend of mine in Switzerland yesterday he was just back from Crans Montana in his Maserati Gran truismo with winter tires. If that sort of car can tackle an alpine ski resort with the correct tires we should be able to manage exit 16 off the M50 handy enough.

    Failing that get yourself an AWD , I haven't touched my 530 since the snow arrived I'm driving the missus' CR-V, went up to Johnny foxes on Sunday for a spin and it didn't as much as flinch at the severe ice or snow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I think an xc70 would be as good if not better - I like the look of Audi's but to be fair few of them live up to their sporty looks
    As good at what? Off Road the AR is class leading. On road Im sure they are both good but the AR has Adaptive Suspension as standard and quattro as standard. The XC70 without the option FourC pack is a high riding car. I assume in Europe all XC70s are AWD, but the fact its only FWD in the US makes me highly sceptical of the model in general. Which is another thing, there is the feeling that the XC is just a "pack" on the standard Volvo V70, while Audi at least try to differentiate the AR from the A6 (in the 1st gen something like 90% of the panels were different, different wheel stance, RS type wheel offsets, custom interior, suspension, low range gear box, etc).

    Looks are of course personal preference, but having walked past a few of the new AR in carparks, they have a ton of presence, way more than an A6 and definitely more than a Volvo estate.

    Neither are "sporty" cars, but the AR is at least available with a V8 as well as the two diesels (one kinda rubbish as noted by BBK though).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    OSI wrote: »
    Replace "few of them live up to their sporty looks" with "Irish people just buy the cheapest ****tiest engine"

    Nope - other than the RS4 and R8 - Audi's look better than they drive - sticking a big engine in them doesn't solve the issues with them dynamically.
    Matt Simis wrote: »
    As good at what?

    I meant for the money, apologies - A well spec'd AR would cost you an arm and a leg compared to a similar XC70 and to be fair the XC70 should be more than capable of handling our weather. It's not a bad car to live with either I imagine ( only drove one for a couple of hundred miles, but liked it ).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    what was the jag top gear reviewed in the snow and raved about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrz5ZFwuh28
    The 4WD X type estate.

    As a coincidence, that episode was on the other night.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭PAULWATSON


    bbk wrote: »
    Winter tyres will sort you out for the most part. Driving style will do even more, if its a problem.


    Now the car is backwheel drive and sitting spinning on a slight slope. How woould an expert like you overcome that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    PAULWATSON wrote: »
    Now the car is backwheel drive and sitting spinning on a slight slope. How woould an expert like you overcome that?

    The point is that with good Winter tyres and the right technique the chances of that happening are low.

    I know of at least one 3 series runner here who hasnt missed a beat since the addition of their Winter tyres.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    PAULWATSON wrote: »
    Now the car is backwheel drive and sitting spinning on a slight slope. How woould an expert like you overcome that?
    reverse back down the hill, make sure the area is clear, and reverse up the hill?

    Alternatively, get winter tyres or snow socks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭PAULWATSON


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    reverse back down the hill, make sure the area is clear, and reverse up the hill?

    Alternatively, get winter tyres or snow socks.


    Don't buy into this winter tyre stuff, bit of a marketing success judging by the people on this site.

    Buy a front wheel motor and keep the revs down.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    reverse back down the hill, make sure the area is clear, and reverse up the hill?.

    Reverse up the hill ? How will that help the wheels grip ? There will still be little weight over them so they'll still spin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    PAULWATSON wrote: »
    Don't buy into this winter tyre stuff, bit of a marketing success judging by the people on this site.

    Buy a front wheel motor and keep the revs down.
    Lol, oh noes Joe Random newcomer has figured out this forum is a subset of the Pirelli Website!
    RobAMerc wrote: »
    Nope - other than the RS4 and R8 - Audi's look better than they drive - sticking a big engine in them doesn't solve the issues with them dynamically.
    I would agree if you said that 80% of Audis on the road are 1.9/2.0TDI cookie cutter rubbish in a nice package, but not if you are making the comment on the range on offer!? What about the S3/S4/S6/S8/RS6/TTS/TTRS/Q7 V12 etc? The R8 ironically is for me the worst offender of more show than go, if looking at the V8 model in isolation. Then there is the 3.0TDI and 4.2TDI diesels, which are by all accounts excellent if you want a diesel engine.
    Anyhow, its not Audi's fault people are cheap and care more for more a badge than an engine.

    I dont know what the issue(s) are "dynamically" you mention but then again the slowest Audi I had was the old Allroad which still had BiTurbos and was never intended as a sports car. It was of course quattro, Audi's that arent quattro are not even a consideration in my mind. My [very old] S8 has no "dynamics" problem, far from it, it handles better than the much vaunted BMW E39 we had last.
    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I meant for the money, apologies - A well spec'd AR would cost you an arm and a leg compared to a similar XC70 and to be fair the XC70 should be more than capable of handling our weather. It's not a bad car to live with either I imagine ( only drove one for a couple of hundred miles, but liked it ).
    Ah right, dont get me wrong Im sure the XC70 is excellent in its own right, but its not as much cheaper as you make out, from quickly looking at Carzone:

    2007 Audi Allroad 2.7TDI (new shape) - EUR36k
    2008 Volvo XC70 2.4 - EUR34k

    Cheaper and a year newer, but not even close to an arm and a leg cheaper!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭PAULWATSON


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Lol, oh noes Joe Random newcomer has figured out this forum is a subset of the Pirelli Website!


    A lot of stuff on this site seems to have an element of promotion, pal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    666bxg wrote: »
    I have an E60 and have swapped my 275 profile 18" wheels to humble 16" with winter tyres and now have no problem getting around the snow and ice.

    I'm sure getting new wheels will be much more cost effective than changing to a new(er) car?

    Good luck

    + 1.

    My sis in law just got a set of new winter tyres, as her 325 couldn't get out of the driveway..........

    €300 later........and she's laughing all the way down the road. Best investment ever.

    That's a lot cheaper than changing the car, tbh.

    And, obligatory Skoda plug :p : Superb now coming out in 2.0d with 4x4........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    Nope - other than the RS4 and R8 ......sticking a big engine in them doesn't solve the issues with them dynamically.

    ...that may be true on paper. In real life - and Mondello - they're lovely......

    Besides, in the immortal words of Derek Mooney..... they sound Fan-tastic ! :p:D

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    RoverJames wrote: »
    Reverse up the hill ? How will that help the wheels grip ? There will still be little weight over them so they'll still spin.
    Yes but its easier (albeit slightly) to pull rather than push a weight up a hill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    PAULWATSON wrote: »
    A lot of stuff on this site seems to have an element of promotion, pal.

    Im not your pal buddy!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Biglad


    On the XC70, isn't there a replacement model due? Anybody know? My brother in Holland has one as a second car and loves it. It's the 2.5T, goes like stink and he always uses this one when they go on their ski holidays, recons she is fantastic in the snow and ice as well.

    Just find the XC70 a bit "old" looking at this stage, AR is a far better looking and technically more advanced car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Yes but its easier (albeit slightly) to pull rather than push a weight up a hill.

    ....errr.......lemmethinkabouthatone...........

    ...on a related note, I have a rwd car with 50.7/49.3% weight distribution: which way should I face the hill ?? :p:p:p

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Retail Hell


    One other thing to try is lower the PSi of the tires to its lower setting usually 36/24, in theory its create more grip in the tires on the surface.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Biglad


    One other thing to try is lower the PSi of the tires to its lower setting usually 36/24, in theory its create more grip in the tires on the surface.

    Think that is not what the real tyre experts recommend at all...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Retail Hell


    Biglad wrote: »
    Think that is not what the real tyre experts recommend at all...

    Its what we do in the desert when 4x4ing on the sand dunes,also Anton Savage recommended it on the last word motors podcast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭traco


    Lol, oh noes Joe Random newcomer has figured out this forum is a subset of the Pirelli Website!


    PAULWATSON wrote: »
    A lot of stuff on this site seems to have an element of promotion, pal.

    I have Pirelli PZero Rosso on my 4 wheel drive, lots of weight and they are useless at the moment, hence I am waiting for winters to arrive. The AWD will get it going but its very chalenging stopping 2200kg on ice with summer tyres

    Winter tyres are like chalk and cheese when compared to summers in the current conditions and more importantly they make the greatest difference in stopping and cornering which is where safety is most important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Biglad


    Its what we do in the desert when 4x4ing on the sand dunes,also Anton Savage recommended it on the last word motors podcast

    It's also what they do in Iceland to not go through the ice when driving on glaciers (let out air to increase footprint size). Think a narrower thread (properly inflated) will help you with the "bite" you need for finding grip in snow, whilst you describe examples where you want a large footprint not to sink in to the surface you are driving on i.e. soft sand.

    As for Anton Savage...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    S3/S4/S6/S8/RS6/......Q7 V12 etc?

    The newer TT's yes but none of the rest of these deliver in the driving stakes compared to the equivalent M cars or most AMG Mercs - even the latest A5 "sports" cars are reputed to be dull as dishwater to drive.

    Again - imo Audi's in general are great to look at - not great to drive - remember the last gen TT ?

    Anyway - we are getting off topic by about a mile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    The newer TT's yes but none of the rest of these deliver in the driving stakes compared to the equivalent M cars or most AMG Mercs - even the latest A5 "sports" cars are reputed to be dull as dishwater to drive.

    Again - imo Audi's in general are great to look at - not great to drive - remember the last gen TT ?

    Anyway - we are getting off topic by about a mile.

    But the equivalent MCar/AMG is RWD, these are all AWD. If you want a big, fast AWD 550bhp monster, the RS6 is it. In the driving stakes they arent as good as an M-Car I agree, but you dont always want the very best "drive".. sometimes you want to go fast in all weather conditions. My BMW is (generally) much faster and more fun than my S8, but its -h o p e l e s s- in the snow and ice. Sure Winter tyres help, but the S8 in this weather is much more fun (and way faster).

    The RS5 is a wash yeah, but not the benchmark of the marque by a long shot. If you want white knuckle drive and precise effective steering and compliant, instructive handling, Audi fail on all fronts. But most people dont want that level of "dynamism", "pretty good" on all fronts with a big engine and an easy to drive AWD driveline is Audi in a nutshell.

    Its not that off-topic, the OP has a great-to-drive but RWD BMW and is looking at Audi's and more.. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 mrbig73


    UPDATE..........

    after a full days snow and having read the vast array of posts I am now looking at

    1. 2010 Freelander 2
    2. 2008 Disco
    3. 2010/1 Santa Fe

    Yes folks, cabin fever has well and truly set in!!!!!


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